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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2018 16:14:24 GMT -6
Actually, pretty certain it’s the Warm, so it’s been interesting to read about people’s preferences and opinions, don’t mean that snottily: people may actually be preferring the sound of the different transformers that have been in different versions of original neve pres. So, good to know the actual part build of the neve you prefer, then find the closet clone I guess? OK. I know you've invested in the Warm...and it kind of comes across that way. I've owned several Warm pieces and have to say I've found them to be good for the price.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 16:39:07 GMT -6
I wasn’t criticizing any particular clone,just referencing things about different clone builds that would effect their sound. I agree that you would think everything in the signal path would apparently affect the sound but I do wonder about that. No offence, but if Rupert says the transformers are the big factor I’ll defer to his opinion .
Personally, I think we should take all these pieces on their own merits and understanding what is like and what is dissimilar is part of that. As the Heritage and the Warm for example are so close in price, I am very curious about the major part differences.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 16:45:27 GMT -6
I think Warm is good value but if people want to buy another pre cus they prefer it, none of my business.
Every thread I read about 73 clones has a wide range of opinion,like arguing about best chocolate flavour: pointless: buy the one you prefer.
As I say above, i’m just very curious about the parts, prior to the heritage and Warm 73s, I was looking into the diy kits including Seventh Circle and trying to understand what the differences were.
End of the day we are all going to buy based on personal preference, no one is wrong:,wish I could buy 3-4 of different brands.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2018 19:52:13 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2018 20:07:13 GMT -6
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 18, 2018 23:55:33 GMT -6
People have been claiming “theirs” sounds like the original marinairs since the beginning of time...love to have all these in the same room to try out but opinions are so subjective that it will always be difficult to come to any sort of conclusion. These are probably more similar than they are different. correct you are... I believe I can say with near certainty that the transformers in both the WA and Heritage (and several others) are pretty much the same transformers (which are good transformers, btw, they are the parts they are supposed to be, IMO). As someone who was involved in the early development of the WA and in those conversations with Carnhill; I learned quite some time later that the guys at Carnhill, well... their job is to sell transformers and when someone sort of asks for this or that to be done, they are going to say 'oh yes, for sure, we can do that, no problem', and without saying too much I am fairly convinced today (as someone no longer involved) that this is what occurred. I have learned a bit more about the transformer history in the past year and a half since then and I know now that some of the Marinair's uniqueness (reverse winding, I think, on the input for example) is not something Carnhill UK are even really set up to do, and other issues such as the exact lamination making and annealing process are sort of lost to time... I believe today that Carnhill kind of tells folks what they need to hear to move the transformers along; but they are all about nearly the same transformers... and they are all GOOD transformers that have at least a respectable attempt to retain the original designs that Carnhill legally acquired from St Ives and Marinair; just not perhaps with quite the diversity that part numbers may suggest... this does all get a bit nerdy after a certain point, but that is my 2 cents today, as I live and learn. So if they all have what are probably extremely close transformers, you can look to other factors to make a final judgment.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 19, 2018 5:13:08 GMT -6
Ya, you have to wonder, if you bench tested T's and then did listening Pre tests, with just a transformer change, how different would the measurements and sound be of the various different pres ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 19, 2018 8:08:14 GMT -6
Still looking forward to a shootout between the Heritage and the Warm.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 19, 2018 18:58:36 GMT -6
Still looking forward to a shootout between the Heritage and the Warm. Me too.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 20, 2018 16:25:41 GMT -6
Me Three..
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 20, 2018 16:50:12 GMT -6
John and I both have symphony mkii so same converters.
He has the heritage and my Warm will be here Friday.
What if someone gave us the same wav file and he and I pass the file with same settings and level gain and repost ?
Would that work or I could send him my pass, he level gains both files and posts ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 17:11:14 GMT -6
To me, the pre is just as important...Just recorded two takes of an AG through the super magic secret pre and the Heritage...preferred the SMSP, but the Heritage sounds great. Want to hear?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 17:17:32 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 17:20:39 GMT -6
Sorry - I was twisting knobs during this...Anyway, where I hear the difference is mostly in the way it handles the upper mids/highs. Listen to the first part of Ramble On...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2018 17:37:00 GMT -6
I liked A, but both were great.
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Post by wiz on Mar 20, 2018 17:44:29 GMT -6
I prefer B by quite a margin. cheers Wiz
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Post by drbill on Mar 20, 2018 18:33:50 GMT -6
I prefer B by quite a margin. cheers Wiz B for me as well. Almost sounded like there was a mic position change. The difference was fairly dramatic.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 18:34:48 GMT -6
I feel the complete opposite. Proof that all of this is subjective
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 18:39:33 GMT -6
Listened on three set of speakers. Thought A sounded more muscular and handled the highs better each time. B gets a little ice-picky occasionally. Nothing i couldn’t roll a little. Anyway, B is the Heritage.
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Post by drbill on Mar 20, 2018 18:51:39 GMT -6
Ha! I didn't listen all the way through - just the first few bars back and forth. And yeah, feel completely differently. LOL
Doesn't surprise me that B was the Heritage. Sounded Nevey.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 18:57:51 GMT -6
Ha! I didn't listen all the way through - just the first few bars back and forth. And yeah, feel completely differently. LOL Doesn't surprise me that B was the Heritage. Sounded Nevey. Yeah - definitely need to hear the middle part where Ramble on starts. That’s where I hear the biggest difference. And this wasn’t the same take, and I was spitballing in the knobs. I would be super happy with either honestly. Also, the Heritage includes the EQ. Might not be a better deal out there right now...and if the Warm sounds the same, the same can be said for it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2018 20:40:36 GMT -6
John, what brand was the other preamp you used?
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 20, 2018 21:14:15 GMT -6
Still looking forward to a shootout between the Heritage and the Warm. I want to add the alctron mp73eq to that
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2018 21:17:08 GMT -6
John, what brand was the other preamp you used? It’s a secret at the moment.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 20, 2018 21:22:58 GMT -6
Anyone compare these to the AML ez1073? I like that they have a DI and, assuming they sound as good, would consider selling my AML's for them.
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