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Post by ericn on Mar 17, 2018 16:59:31 GMT -6
Can’t believe I’m saying this, but there are pics on the purple site. Come back, though. Man I thought GS was just for being an asshat and using the classified search function!😎
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2018 17:09:45 GMT -6
Once I've got the cash, either two of HA73eq or one of the WA273eq are going in my rack. These competing threads are making it hard to decide....
Here's to hoping someone tests both side by side.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2018 18:22:15 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic.
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2018 19:06:08 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Two questions: 1. Is this a Heritage product? I realize you won't actually be able to say, given the apparent secrecy. So... 2. When did Tom Jones become a sonic benchmark?
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Post by wiz on Mar 17, 2018 19:18:30 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Two questions: 1. Is this a Heritage product? I realize you won't actually be able to say, given the apparent secrecy. So... 2. When did Tom Jones become a sonic benchmark? It’s not unusual to use Tom Jones as a sonic benchmark Cheers Wiz
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2018 19:22:04 GMT -6
Two questions: 1. Is this a Heritage product? I realize you won't actually be able to say, given the apparent secrecy. So... 2. When did Tom Jones become a sonic benchmark? It’s not unusual to use Tom Jones as a sonic benchmark Cheers Wiz Any particular album? I thought John was maybe being facetious.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2018 19:26:59 GMT -6
Gotcha Wiz, what’s not new pussycst ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2018 19:28:41 GMT -6
Two questions: 1. Is this a Heritage product? I realize you won't actually be able to say, given the apparent secrecy. So... 2. When did Tom Jones become a sonic benchmark? It’s not unusual to use Tom Jones as a sonic benchmark Cheers Wiz media.giphy.com/media/nkyh6FI7S7VGE/giphy.gif
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2018 19:32:08 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Two questions: 1. Is this a Heritage product? I realize you won't actually be able to say, given the apparent secrecy. So... 2. When did Tom Jones become a sonic benchmark? 1. No 2. I was being funny...but he was Elvis' favorite singer...
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 17, 2018 19:50:06 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Anything to do with those CAPI boxes?
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Post by mulmany on Mar 17, 2018 19:54:05 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. What a tease!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2018 20:03:48 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Anything to do with those CAPI boxes? Nothing in that picture gives anything away.
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Post by ericn on Mar 17, 2018 21:15:29 GMT -6
I will say this: I’m testing a super secret 500 series module right now that sounds better out of the gate...although I can EQ this to sound very similar. So, nothing is absolute magic-make-u-sound-like-Tom-Jones...but this thing sounds absolutely great - and the price is fantastic. Yeah I bought mine for the EQ with the Dan Alexander’s the pre is kind of like a freebie. Also when it comes to Neve flavor more and more I find its all about the transformers!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 8:37:32 GMT -6
So, for all the conversation about parts, Rupert says it’s really the trannies
So with our current clone choices Warm went for recreating the mairinairs so most vintage and original but you have choice as other cloners are using the more modern trannies
I like this as we can get 4 channels from different cloners and have both major 73 transformers: think this is a good thing !
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2018 9:01:24 GMT -6
People have been claiming “theirs” sounds like the original marinairs since the beginning of time...love to have all these in the same room to try out but opinions are so subjective that it will always be difficult to come to any sort of conclusion. These are probably more similar than they are different.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 10:49:11 GMT -6
Agreed ,claims are one thing, maybe the better question is, which company actually speced that their new transformers were against the original marinairs ? If I come to Nashville this summer, will bring my wa273 fo sure ! I really think ideally buy from a variety of companies and get some differences, real 73's would vary sonically anyway ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2018 12:32:14 GMT -6
Agreed ,claims are one thing, maybe the better question is, which company actually speced that their new transformers were against the original marinairs ? If I come to Nashville this summer, will bring my wa273 fo sure ! I really think ideally buy from a variety of companies and get some differences, real 73's would vary sonically anyway ? Probably the Sowter Stam uses.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 18, 2018 12:53:00 GMT -6
The Stam feels like a Neve console. Obviously they all sound "Neve-ish", but even the lovely Great River pre and EQ didn't get me the vibe I get with the Stam. I wouldn't know why, but the Stam's a piece I'd never let go, even if I get a few more preamps at some point.
That Heritage is a game changer I think.
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Post by ericn on Mar 18, 2018 13:15:24 GMT -6
People have been claiming “theirs” sounds like the original marinairs since the beginning of time...love to have all these in the same room to try out but opinions are so subjective that it will always be difficult to come to any sort of conclusion. These are probably more similar than they are different. Like so many things you probably can’t make them exactly like the old days. The purity of the copper is likely different purity, and the core material is protjust slightly different. But having that old iron in the Dan Alexander’s I’ll say they do sound bigger and more exciting and that’s why they are still here and every time we have pulled them and put them in a clone the clone takes on those properties!
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Post by pope on Mar 18, 2018 13:18:02 GMT -6
There's not such thing as modern replacement for the original trannies. The lamination is not the same as it used to be and whoever claims that their modern transformers sound the same as the old ones is just lying for the sake of marketing. Plain and simple.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -6
Actually, pretty certain it’s the Warm, so it’s been interesting to read about people’s preferences and opinions, don’t mean that snottily: people may actually be preferring the sound of the different transformers that have been in different versions of original neve pres.
So, good to know the actual part build of the neve you prefer, then find the closet clone I guess?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 13:40:42 GMT -6
There's not such thing as modern replacement for the original trannies. The lamination is not the same as it used to be and whoever claims that their modern transformers sound the same as the old ones is just lying for the sake of marketing. Plain and simple. I understand your point but if the original company is making the current transformers isn’t that as close as you are going to get? I personally don’t worry about the exactly like argument as we don’t have exactly the right stuff to do that for anything ? Maybe Neumann with the new 67 but I thought even it doesn’t have the original membrane material for the cap ? So, for me it’s more about is the sound of product clone x in the zone and how useful is it ? I have yet to read one pro with original holy grail piece whatever say any of them actually sound identical so what exactly are people comparing any clone to: essentially their impression of what they like/appreciate about the original gear, which I think makes sense as we all speak from our actual experiences: right ? Anyway, I think we are just lucky to have all these options and good products to consider !
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Post by pope on Mar 18, 2018 14:49:30 GMT -6
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people should stop trying to compare all these new clones with the original ones. Some of these sound worse and some other (possibly) sound better. Also, manufacturers should stop lying about their products. It really pisses me off when I read all this marketing bullshit.
Anyway, just to make myself clear. I'm not saying that the new transformers are inferior, which might well be the case but I can't really prove that. All I'm saying is that they are different from the OG.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2018 15:13:06 GMT -6
Well said!
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Post by drbill on Mar 18, 2018 16:10:46 GMT -6
maybe the better question is, which company actually speced that their new transformers were against the original marinairs ? The transformers in the new Chromas were matched to Marinairs and went through a TON of R&D, prototyping, and revamping before Brad's approval and my thumbsup. They are wound in the US, but the Chroma is not meant to be a "clone" as these are. We just wanted the REAL marinair sound, not the carnhill sound. Also, I don't care what anyone says, it's not JUST the transformers. It's a sum of all the parts. Caps and other parts can and do make a significant difference.
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