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Post by drbill on Mar 20, 2018 21:29:02 GMT -6
Listened on three set of speakers. Thought A sounded more muscular and handled the highs better each time. B gets a little ice-picky occasionally. Nothing i couldn’t roll a little. Anyway, B is the Heritage. I hear ya. Jumped to the middle and listened. A is definitely better - but I'd hazard to guess that a lot of that is in the level / performance. Both are fine pre's, but yeah, for the more aggressive and slightly "nashville" sound, A is the keeper for the mid section. For the beginning picking parts, I still like B.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2018 21:49:44 GMT -6
John, what brand was the other preamp you used? It’s a secret at the moment. Well that's some tasty secret sauce there for sure.
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Post by Ward on Mar 21, 2018 8:29:54 GMT -6
B by a country mile. Was A the preamp section out of an old home component hifi system? Holy distortion and mid-forward 'blart' Batman!!
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 21, 2018 9:56:51 GMT -6
A sounded louder than B - but B had a good punch to it!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2018 11:47:10 GMT -6
B by a country mile. Was A the preamp section out of an old home component hifi system? Holy distortion and mid-forward 'blart' Batman!! If you're going to be that hyperbolic, I question your listening devices or your ears. Seriously.
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Post by mikec on Mar 21, 2018 11:58:02 GMT -6
I thought they both sounded good and would be happy with either one.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 21, 2018 13:59:54 GMT -6
I liked A, but I’d have to hear more sources through the preamp to make any kind of definitive judgement. B is nice too. Just preferred A.
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Post by hasbeen on Mar 21, 2018 14:46:07 GMT -6
Hey John
Does preamp A have an input and output/trim? Also where was the input set in relation to the output/trim on the Heritage?
Thanks
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2018 15:29:40 GMT -6
And I'm not trying to sell anyone on A, it's ok to like B better - I just didn't think it sounded like a home hifi unit lol.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2018 15:32:41 GMT -6
Hey John Does preamp A have an input and output/trim? Also where was the input set in relation to the output/trim on the Heritage? Thanks The controls are unmarked...but I think they were gain staged similarly...think the one was around 37 db with the output down 6-8db and the Heritage was 40-45 db with output at 3 o'clock. But I think I also turned the inputs down on each on both takes - so I think I started hotter on both units.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 21, 2018 16:03:16 GMT -6
Much preferred A. That's what I shoot for in an acoustic guitar sound and usually end up somewhere woefully short.
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Post by ericn on Mar 21, 2018 17:05:56 GMT -6
And I'm not trying to sell anyone on A, it's ok to like B better - I just didn't think it sounded like a home hifi unit lol. Clogged ears post flu and nasty head cold so I can’t hear crap Might need to send you a Dan Alexander for a to ad to the mix! Just got the text my Heritage EQ is at FedEx waiting for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2018 17:11:59 GMT -6
I really can't imagine a better buy for what you get...
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Post by ericn on Mar 21, 2018 17:25:13 GMT -6
I really can't imagine a better buy for what you get... Hey I have said it before I bought it for the EQ, with the 8 ch of DA it’s a bonus pre , but the AML kit looks tempting !
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 21, 2018 18:01:46 GMT -6
I really can't imagine a better buy for what you get... Hey I have said it before I bought it for the EQ, with the 8 ch of DA it’s a bonus pre , but the AML kit looks tempting ! I’d love to hear a comparison of the DA and Heritage Preamps.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2018 18:34:40 GMT -6
Maybe I'll go rent a vintage one...
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Post by Ward on Mar 22, 2018 7:00:45 GMT -6
And I'm not trying to sell anyone on A, it's ok to like B better - I just didn't think it sounded like a home hifi unit lol. There's the "lol" finally!! I trust now you realize it was more an attempt at humor and not hyperbole. I'm fond of obtuse outside dark humor, which you probably know by now.
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Post by ericn on Mar 22, 2018 12:07:34 GMT -6
Maybe I'll go rent a vintage one... The funny thing is 2 of the first real 1073’s I ever used were some of the worst sounding things I ever used! The think they were racked and repaired by a third grader who’s dad was a TV repairman who could fix anything!
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Post by ericn on Mar 22, 2018 14:29:11 GMT -6
Just grabbed it from fedex, rotary switches have that clunky Neve feel, knobs on pots feel okay but some rub, push button switches seam a tad bit too deep in chassis, the power supply is tiny My Dan Alender 2 ch pres supplies are 10 times the size !! Where’s the Iron!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 22, 2018 14:43:20 GMT -6
Just grabbed it from fedex, rotary switches have that clunky Neve feel, knobs on pots feel okay but some rub, push button switches seam a tad bit too deep in chassis, the power supply is tiny My Dan Alender 2 ch pres supplies are 10 times the size !! Where’s the Iron! So your Hpf and freq selectors around the others aren’t loosey goosey?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2018 15:13:40 GMT -6
Just grabbed it from fedex, rotary switches have that clunky Neve feel, knobs on pots feel okay but some rub, push button switches seam a tad bit too deep in chassis, the power supply is tiny My Dan Alender 2 ch pres supplies are 10 times the size !! Where’s the Iron! Curious, what’s it weigh ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 22, 2018 15:23:22 GMT -6
So far, I prefer my little Stam SA73 to the Warm ToneBeast, and the Dizengoff D4 I've had. Of course those are very different pres, so that's not a knock against the Warm or Dizengoff.. The TB is API style, and the D4 is REDD 47 style. Unless you work with them all the time, Neve pres aren't so easy to judge.
At Jeremy Gilliespie's Barbershop Studios, he had a rack of vintage Neve pres. We did a big mic shootout with the SSL9000, but afterwards, compared the Neve preamp to the SSL, and the SSL was far better sounding in comparison. But then, I did a mic shootout at Fab Dupont's place, and ran through his restored vintage Neve console, and the sound was tremendous, so I think it might take doing a few complete tracks with each before really knowing which works better for you, the Warm, The Heritage or a Stam or BAE, or.....
On the other hand, sometimes you plug in, and you know in minutes. I'm looking forward to knowing more about John's "mystery pre".
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Post by ericn on Mar 22, 2018 16:17:36 GMT -6
Just grabbed it from fedex, rotary switches have that clunky Neve feel, knobs on pots feel okay but some rub, push button switches seam a tad bit too deep in chassis, the power supply is tiny My Dan Alender 2 ch pres supplies are 10 times the size !! Where’s the Iron! So your Hpf and freq selectors around the others aren’t loosey goosey? Nope mine are tight! You try tightening the knobs? I might buy some more expensive reproduction knobs these feel a bit cheaper than some !
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Post by ericn on Mar 22, 2018 16:21:59 GMT -6
Just grabbed it from fedex, rotary switches have that clunky Neve feel, knobs on pots feel okay but some rub, push button switches seam a tad bit too deep in chassis, the power supply is tiny My Dan Alender 2 ch pres supplies are 10 times the size !! Where’s the Iron! Curious, what’s it weigh ? The unit weighs about the same as a Dan Alexander 2 ch the front panel is thicker than I expected at this price, metal work looks pretty good, but haven’t opened it up yet. But man the power supply is so tiny ! Think cheap laptop ! Still trying to get back from flu and head cool will post pics as soon as I have a chance!
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 22, 2018 17:53:51 GMT -6
So far, I prefer my little Stam SA73 to the Warm ToneBeast, and the Dizengoff D4 I've had. Of course those are very different pres, so that's not a knock against the Warm or Dizengoff.. The TB is API style, and the D4 is REDD 47 style. Unless you work with them all the time, Neve pres aren't so easy to judge. At Jeremy Gilliespie's Barbershop Studios, he had a rack of vintage Neve pres. We did a big mic shootout with the SSL9000, but afterwards, compared the Neve preamp to the SSL, and the SSL was far better sounding in comparison. But then, I did a mic shootout at Fab Dupont's place, and ran through his restored vintage Neve console, and the sound was tremendous, so I think it might take doing a few complete tracks with each before really knowing which works better for you, the Warm, The Heritage or a Stam or BAE, or..... On the other hand, sometimes you plug in, and you know in minutes. I'm looking forward to knowing more about John's "mystery pre". I literally go back and forth between my Neve stuff and my SSL stuff, and sometimes my tube stuff if it’s old school jazz. Really depends on the song. Either way that console at Barbershop sounds fantastic... as does that room.
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