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Post by Quint on Dec 13, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -6
I thought I had read that the Elite series was basically a pcb based version of the handwired series with all of the same parts otherwise? Well, and the PSU is also obviously different. Why do you think they won't do Elite 500 series? The 19" Elite stuff will compete with other more expensive Heritage products. Why is 500 series any different? Either way, I would agree that, if it ever does happen, it will probably be a while before any Elite 500 series see the light of day. The distributor has stated in this thread that it's not on the drawing board & their 500 series EQ is already sub $1k. So much of a manufacturer's expenses have little to do with the unit or cost and spreading these out across all the products means there is a certain point where it just doesn't make sense. The other thing is their US distributor already has low cost covered, it's really not a good idea to have a major rep/ distributor selling competing products. Well I was talking about the 73 preamp, not the eq. Basically a 73 Jr. Elite preamp, though an eq in that series would be cool too. I'm not following you on your comment about their US distributor and competing products? |
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Post by ericn on Dec 13, 2017 13:47:34 GMT -6
US distributor carries Goldenage, that already has the lower price range covered, manufacturers do not like it when reps or distributors carry a product that is a direct competitor, they feel they won't get the attention !
RAD stated in general no lower priced series in the 500 format ! I would say it's the right call, the sub $500 customer is very different and it would brand them differently when it comes to the expensive stuff.
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Post by Quint on Dec 13, 2017 14:10:27 GMT -6
US distributor carries Goldenage, that already has the lower price range covered, manufacturers do not like it when reps or distributors carry a product that is a direct competitor, they feel they won't get the attention ! RAD stated in general no lower priced series in the 500 format ! I would say it's the right call, the sub $500 customer is very different and it would brand them differently when it comes to the expensive stuff. Got it. I didn't realize Heritage and GAP had the same distributor. That makes sense. There's still always the Vintech 573 in that price range, which is what I was going to eventually get before I heard of the Elite series. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 14, 2017 9:05:26 GMT -6
yeah, i'm struggling to see how this is a better option than the aml ez1073's.... Prettier? 🤭 |
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Post by drew571 on Dec 14, 2017 9:30:20 GMT -6
yeah, i'm struggling to see how this is a better option than the aml ez1073's.... Prettier? 🤭 $500 prettier??  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 14, 2017 9:45:16 GMT -6
Last time I checked, the AMLs were $1042 and these are $899...so...they're cheaper.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 14, 2017 15:15:26 GMT -6
After almost 7 years making one of the finest hi-end outboard gear lines in the industry, Heritage Audio is proud to introduce the Elite series. Leveraging the expertise and reputation obtained with its former hand wired, extremely time-consuming hand soldered series, Heritage is able to offer a zero compromise, high quality yet very affordable alternative to the growing entry-level brands. A combination of mass production, lean manufacturing and modern construction techniques, minimizes hand labor and therefore its high associated costs when manufacturing takes place in Western Europe. By passing the savings straight into the end users´ pockets, Heritage Audio releases the most affordable outboard preamps and equalizers in its class up to date. Key components to obtain a true vintage sound are indeed maintained, including the industry standard Carnhill transformers, hand wound in St Ives, England. Manufactured in the same Spanish facilities as the rest of the HA line of products, the Elite Series will be available in January 2018. First models to be released in the series are the 1 rack unit format HA-73EQ (which combines a mic preamp and an equalizer), HA-73 single mic preamp and HA-73X2, the dual channel version. HA-73 ELITE Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. 80 Hz hi pass filter. Fully discrete class A. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $649. HA-73X2 ELITE Essentially a dual channel HA-73 Elite Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. 80 Hz hi pass filter. Fully discrete class A. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $1199. HA-73 EQ ELITE Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR, ´73EQJR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. Fully discrete 3 band classic equalizer with vintage correct inductors. Hi shelf at 12Khz. Mid band selectable between 6 different frequencies and OFF. Lo shelf selectable between 4 different frequencies and OFF Inductor based High Pass filter, frequency selectable between 4 different frequencies and OFF. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $899. "Microphone input impedance: HI, 1200 Ohm minimum, LO, 300 Ohm minimum." on the website |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 15, 2017 12:50:15 GMT -6
After almost 7 years making one of the finest hi-end outboard gear lines in the industry, Heritage Audio is proud to introduce the Elite series. Leveraging the expertise and reputation obtained with its former hand wired, extremely time-consuming hand soldered series, Heritage is able to offer a zero compromise, high quality yet very affordable alternative to the growing entry-level brands. A combination of mass production, lean manufacturing and modern construction techniques, minimizes hand labor and therefore its high associated costs when manufacturing takes place in Western Europe. By passing the savings straight into the end users´ pockets, Heritage Audio releases the most affordable outboard preamps and equalizers in its class up to date. Key components to obtain a true vintage sound are indeed maintained, including the industry standard Carnhill transformers, hand wound in St Ives, England. Manufactured in the same Spanish facilities as the rest of the HA line of products, the Elite Series will be available in January 2018. First models to be released in the series are the 1 rack unit format HA-73EQ (which combines a mic preamp and an equalizer), HA-73 single mic preamp and HA-73X2, the dual channel version. HA-73 ELITE Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. 80 Hz hi pass filter. Fully discrete class A. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $649. HA-73X2 ELITE Essentially a dual channel HA-73 Elite Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. 80 Hz hi pass filter. Fully discrete class A. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $1199. HA-73 EQ ELITE Made to the same specifications as the acclaimed ´73JR, ´73EQJR and DMA73 models. Industry standard Carnhill transformers hand wound in St Ives, England. 80dB, 3 stage fully discrete class A mic preamp. Line input on separate XLR for adding fat and warmth to prerecorded tracks. 20dB PAD on the mic input to avoid overloading the input transformer when desired. LOZ, switches the input impedance of the mic transformer from 200 to 50 ohm. Ultra high impedance, JFET based D.I. Fully discrete 3 band classic equalizer with vintage correct inductors. Hi shelf at 12Khz. Mid band selectable between 6 different frequencies and OFF. Lo shelf selectable between 4 different frequencies and OFF Inductor based High Pass filter, frequency selectable between 4 different frequencies and OFF. 1 Rack unit format. External universal power supply for worldwide use. MAP $899. "Microphone input impedance: HI, 1200 Ohm minimum, LO, 300 Ohm minimum." on the website Same as others I believe, right? |
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 15, 2017 13:07:46 GMT -6
NO.... The hand built ones I have are 1200 and 300... these new ones have according to the above
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Post by raddistribution on Dec 16, 2017 10:03:18 GMT -6
200 and 50 is a typo. it is indeed 1200 and 300.
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Post by ericn on Dec 16, 2017 19:34:00 GMT -6
Just ordered the elite EQ!
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Post by rowmat on Dec 16, 2017 20:19:00 GMT -6
The Elite EQ at $899 USD is a massive price difference over the Heritage 1073 80 Series at $2200 USD. I just can't see how that they can do it (irrespective of manufacturing efficiences) without substantially cutting their component costs. For instance the standard Neve style Elna mic/line switch used in the 80 Series Neve's HA's, BAE's etc. is a $130 USD part off the shelf before it is hand wired. On top of that are the original Blore Edward's switches which all substantially add to the overall cost. It's pretty obvious they aren't using any of the original Elna's or Blore Edward's as they would also require hand assembly which the product description indicates they are not doing in order to cut costs. Still, if it is done right, these sound like a bargain and would just about make a DIY Neve 1073 clone a waste of time and energy. I went the Heritage Audio 80 Series route a few years ago in order to be able to also accomodate some Neve 50 Series modules with modified connectors in the 80 Series rack. Our most used EQ's by far!  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2017 13:53:42 GMT -6
They claim (I think somewhere) that the sonic path is unchanged...
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 17, 2017 15:09:00 GMT -6
Be interesting to see what other competition they will have !
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Post by pope on Dec 17, 2017 15:13:02 GMT -6
these sound like a bargain and would just about make a DIY Neve 1073 clone a waste of time and energy. A DIY 1073 would be of much higher quality. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2017 15:42:49 GMT -6
these sound like a bargain and would just about make a DIY Neve 1073 clone a waste of time and energy. A DIY 1073 would be of much higher quality. If this were edited to Could, I would agree, but makeing the assumption of the DIY'er's ability to build and choose parts is a major assumption as well as the value one puts on their time. I am pro DIY but at this price, the fact I can finance it over a year, it comes assembled, hard to justify DIY! As for the switches, yeah they are probably not ELMA, but they could be if the justification for this line is they can build enough for an off sheet direct deal with suppliers like ELMA! |
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Post by drew571 on Dec 17, 2017 15:43:17 GMT -6
Last time I checked, the AMLs were $1042 and these are $899...so...they're cheaper. Except that the AML's include the preamp and eq in one unit. |
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 17, 2017 17:47:22 GMT -6
Last time I checked, the AMLs were $1042 and these are $899...so...they're cheaper. Except that the AML's include the preamp and eq in one unit. If you read the description of these above, the 73 eq is a mic pre and eq. Eq denotes the addition of the eq to the preamp. . 899 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2017 19:16:32 GMT -6
Last time I checked, the AMLs were $1042 and these are $899...so...they're cheaper. Except that the AML's include the preamp and eq in one unit. Yeah...it's a 19" 1073 |
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Post by drew571 on Dec 17, 2017 19:16:50 GMT -6
Except that the AML's include the preamp and eq in one unit. If you read the description of these above, the 73 eq is a mic pre and eq. Eq denotes the addition of the eq to the preamp. . 899 I stand corrected! That is a good deal! Can't wait to hear the first reviews. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2017 19:18:22 GMT -6
I would imagine there is some sacrifice in sound...otherwise theyd be completely undercutting their own sales...
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2017 19:49:18 GMT -6
I would imagine there is some sacrifice in sound...otherwise theyd be completely undercutting their own sales... We shall see, the regular stuff is hand soldered this is wave so major labor cost savings,and until we see one open no way to tell where they cut costs. A couple of people I have talked to have stated the savings in quantity and labor savings could come close but the switches, metal work & PSU are probably where they cut back! I'll take it over toBradds when it gets here and see if we can have some fun with his Flea 47! |
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Post by sam on Dec 18, 2017 16:28:41 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, these are built similar to the 1073s in the new BCM10 right? There was an upgrade for the BCM10 to get ones that weren't manufactured this way for like $20k more or something.
What I'm getting at is, if I bought ten of these and racked them sideways, I'd have a BCM10 for like PEANUTS!
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Post by rowmat on Dec 18, 2017 17:38:40 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, these are built similar to the 1073s in the new BCM10 right? There was an upgrade for the BCM10 to get ones that weren't manufactured this way for like $20k more or something. What I'm getting at is, if I bought ten of these and racked them sideways, I'd have a BCM10 for like PEANUTS! Er not quite. You'd still need channel faders, a summing buss, auxiliaries, metering, a monitor section, talkback etc, etc.  |
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Post by raddistribution on Dec 18, 2017 18:56:38 GMT -6
if you're feeling fancy you could get: 1x mcm20.4 16x HA73EQ 1x RAM5000 16 channels of heritage eqs and pres, summing, auxiliaries, metering, da converters and monitoring for $19882. oh and it would only take up 21 great sounding rack spaces... |
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