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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2017 10:29:40 GMT -6
I know. 48 months. I put two on hold. Don’t think they’re shipping till January though. Which probably means March. I was told before Xmas, loosely translated February or they are in Custom's if that's the case well tomarrow or Well February! |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 12, 2017 11:22:42 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2017 19:02:58 GMT -6
I sum thru a Delta, JM modded 2 buss. Would a pair for makeup gain(tapping the insert send on the Delta and never returning back to the Delta) add some nice transformer love to my mixes? Im already 90% decided to go with one for tracking, just thinking if I could justify 2 if they live on the mixbuss when not tracking. I know its a taste thing, I guess I should ask “do people like to use dual 1073’s on the mixbuss for makeup gain?” I believe the 1272 is the classic line amp for this task, but can the 1073 be cool as well? For many this would be the way to go, it will add flavor but I would just as soon use it on channels where it really shines, but I'm not much of a 2 buss processing guy. If I were to go for 2 bus color I would look at the Silver Bullet, that's what it was designed for. A JW modded Delta and 2 buss color sound like opposites, because well they are. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 12, 2017 19:13:30 GMT -6
I'm real interested in the Elite series models, though as much as I would like to pick up one or two of these units, I think I'm going to save some 19" rack space and wait until the 500 series versions of these come out somewhere down the road and fill in a few empty spots in my 500 racks.
I'm speculating here but, if you consider the price of the single 19" 73, I'm guessing that an Elite 500 series 73 pre would come in at the $500 to $550 range. I would definitely buy a few of those.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2017 19:47:47 GMT -6
I'm real interested in the Elite series models, though as much as I would like to pick up one or two of these units, I think I'm going to save some 19" rack space and wait until the 500 series versions of these come out somewhere down the road and fill in a few empty spots in my 500 racks. I'm speculating here but, if you consider the price of the single 19" 73, I'm guessing that an Elite 500 series 73 pre would come in at the $500 to $550 range. I would definitely buy a few of those. I think you might have a long wait, they have stated that's not on the horizon, plus their 500 1073 is already sub $1k. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 12, 2017 20:30:00 GMT -6
Yeah. Don’t think they will design anything to compete with their 500 stuff.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2017 21:53:16 GMT -6
Yeah. Don’t think they will design anything to compete with their 500 stuff. Yeah I'll bet the new stuff is based on the 500 stuff with an inexpensive switching PSU! I'm betting they figured out how to repackage it, use a chassis in multiple designs, found a cheap switcher & realized if they make the numbers on 500 & affordable rackmount the quantity discount across all lines on basic parts used in multiple designs will help cover the lower price on these. We call it good sound Buisness, the hard part is going to be differentiating this from the higher priced stuff, that's going to be fun to watch from the sidelines! |
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Post by drbill on Dec 12, 2017 22:11:01 GMT -6
"If I were to go for 2 bus color I would look at the Silver Bullet, that's what it was designed for. A JW modded Delta and 2 buss color sound like opposites, because well they are." Bingo!!! Nailed it. On both points. |
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Post by lcr on Dec 12, 2017 22:41:02 GMT -6
"If I were to go for 2 bus color I would look at the Silver Bullet, that's what it was designed for. A JW modded Delta and 2 buss color sound like opposites, because well they are." Bingo!!! Nailed it. On both points. I understand JW Delta is clean/transparent and Neve is the opposite, thats the point. Just a thought considering Im probably gonna end up with one channel. |
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Post by drbill on Dec 12, 2017 22:48:01 GMT -6
If you only have one channel, then there's really no point in trying to use it on the 2 buss is there? If you're going to buy two channels, you could virtually get a silver bullet for the same price., and it was DESIGNED to do what your'e talking about - without being kludgy and difficult to manage. The Heritage is designed as a mic pre/EQ. Not a 2 buss processor. It WILL be possible to use it as such, but it's not really it's intended purpose.
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Post by wiz on Dec 12, 2017 23:02:26 GMT -6
If you only have one channel, then there's really no point in trying to use it on the 2 buss is there? If you're going to buy two channels, you could virtually get a silver bullet for the same price., and it was DESIGNED to do what your'e talking about - without being kludgy and difficult to manage. The Heritage is designed as a mic pre/EQ. Not a 2 buss processor. It WILL be possible to use it as such, but it's not really it's intended purpose. I will play devils advocate... also as a JW delta owner... I think its not a bad idea, especially if the channel strips end up sounding good (we don't know yet), and its easy to include them in your patch bay set up to get access to them via line inputs, if they have them... If they have really good transformers in them it could be cool, I have transformers wired to my patch bay that I am forever passing audio through for the colour and transient behaviour... also if the EQ sounds good, might be extremely handy for when you are re amping stereo material, e.g. backing OOHS and AAHS, or overheads, of putting one on kick drum and the other on snare... I think two good sounding 1073 type line in EQ line out boxes would be very very handy..and then you have the mic preamps. I find my hardware 1073AML 500 series EQ, really shines on Electric Guitars. cheers Wiz |
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Post by joseph on Dec 13, 2017 8:45:13 GMT -6
For 2bus I'd go 2X 535 or Silver Bullet first.
Love 73 eq but would never use it for that.
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Post by Quint on Dec 13, 2017 8:48:13 GMT -6
I'm real interested in the Elite series models, though as much as I would like to pick up one or two of these units, I think I'm going to save some 19" rack space and wait until the 500 series versions of these come out somewhere down the road and fill in a few empty spots in my 500 racks. I'm speculating here but, if you consider the price of the single 19" 73, I'm guessing that an Elite 500 series 73 pre would come in at the $500 to $550 range. I would definitely buy a few of those. I think you might have a long wait, they have stated that's not on the horizon, plus their 500 1073 is already sub $1k. I can wait as long as needed. I don't actually NEED any more preamps at this point. I just WANT more preamps... |
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Post by lcr on Dec 13, 2017 8:57:09 GMT -6
.... I have 2 buss hardware stuff already, just considering Neve makup gain/drive as an option to have available and asked if anyone uses 1073’s for this with desirable results. No thought of using the eq or filters, or considering alternatives, I thought this was a simple question which It appears Wiz understood. Im already going with one for tracking, and I fully understand I would need two for mixdown, always nice to utilize gear for double duty, on the way in and mix down. Thanks for everyones feedback.
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Post by Quint on Dec 13, 2017 9:11:51 GMT -6
Yeah. Don’t think they will design anything to compete with their 500 stuff. Yeah I'll bet the new stuff is based on the 500 stuff with an inexpensive switching PSU! I'm betting they figured out how to repackage it, use a chassis in multiple designs, found a cheap switcher & realized if they make the numbers on 500 & affordable rackmount the quantity discount across all lines on basic parts used in multiple designs will help cover the lower price on these. We call it good sound Buisness, the hard part is going to be differentiating this from the higher priced stuff, that's going to be fun to watch from the sidelines! I thought I had read that the Elite series was basically a pcb based version of the handwired series with all of the same parts otherwise? Well, and the PSU is also obviously different. Why do you think they won't do Elite 500 series? The 19" Elite stuff will compete with other more expensive Heritage products. Why is 500 series any different? Either way, I would agree that, if it ever does happen, it will probably be a while before any Elite 500 series see the light of day. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 13, 2017 9:22:20 GMT -6
.... I have 2 buss hardware stuff already, just considering Neve makup gain/drive as an option to have available and asked if anyone uses 1073’s for this with desirable results. No thought of using the eq or filters, or considering alternatives, I thought this was a simple question which It appears Wiz understood. Im already going with one for tracking, and I fully understand I would need two for mixdown, always nice to utilize gear for double duty, on the way in and mix down. Thanks for everyones feedback. I’m currently doing this— I have my mix running through a humble pair of ACMP 73s. I like it a lot. I’m summing through a d-box, fwiw. Dialing in the gain on the 73s to match L&R is a bit crude. I tend to leave the outputs alone for this reason and only use the stepped inputs, which limits the tonal options a bit but saves on ergonomic headaches. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 13, 2017 9:25:48 GMT -6
Yeah I'll bet the new stuff is based on the 500 stuff with an inexpensive switching PSU! I'm betting they figured out how to repackage it, use a chassis in multiple designs, found a cheap switcher & realized if they make the numbers on 500 & affordable rackmount the quantity discount across all lines on basic parts used in multiple designs will help cover the lower price on these. We call it good sound Buisness, the hard part is going to be differentiating this from the higher priced stuff, that's going to be fun to watch from the sidelines! I thought I had read that the Elite series was basically a pcb based version of the handwired series with all of the same parts otherwise? Well, and the PSU is also obviously different. Why do you think they won't do Elite 500 series? The 19" Elite stuff will compete with other more expensive Heritage products. Why is 500 series any different? Either way, I would agree that, if it ever does happen, it will probably be a while before any Elite 500 series see the light of day. The distributor has stated in this thread that it's not on the drawing board & their 500 series EQ is already sub $1k. So much of a manufacturer's expenses have little to do with the unit or cost and spreading these out across all the products means there is a certain point where it just doesn't make sense. The other thing is their US distributor already has low cost covered, it's really not a good idea to have a major rep/ distributor selling competing products. |
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Post by drew571 on Dec 13, 2017 11:03:56 GMT -6
yeah, i'm struggling to see how this is a better option than the aml ez1073's....
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Post by lcr on Dec 13, 2017 12:10:30 GMT -6
Thanks notneeson. I had a D box, and I really miss the playback converter. Regarding stereo balance, cant you just use a signal gen plugin?
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Post by notneeson on Dec 13, 2017 12:38:08 GMT -6
Thanks notneeson. I had a D box, and I really miss the playback converter. Regarding stereo balance, cant you just use a signal gen plugin? Yes, you have to. And once I have the output trims dialed I tend to leave it in place, set and forget. It's just not very conducive to tweaking, at least for me— you'd have to effectively operate 4 different knobs (2 x input, 2 x output) simultaneously to get the sound (without fooling yourself by simply making it louder) and then upon deciding, revert back to the signal generator to re-adjust the fine LR balance. I like to make quick, intuitive decisions. For me the above is a deal breaker. But, I do like just having those line amps in my chain, it has an appreciable euphonic effect on the sound. |
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