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Post by indiehouse on Aug 26, 2017 17:06:17 GMT -6
Luv the digressions for 16 channel of conversion, I am looking around at: - another apogee 8x8 ,but you also are paying for additional spdif (2) and adat (2) ( $2100 usd), I don't need, - trading in my symph mkii 8x8 for a 16x16 ( less than buying the new 8x8), - or buying a motu 8a ($900 usd) and keeping my current symphony mkii - possibly selling the symph and geting a motu 16a ( modded ?). Most interested in #2 I have sold and/or traded my 2 Diz d4's, which brings in some dough and gets me some already modded delta dlx channels (4). So now, I have 6 modded input channels ( mono) , the master modded and the upgraded PSU. So, its coming together ! Is it worth all that dough, though? I mean, it's one thing to get a board and plug and play. But now you're talking about new converters, not to mention new cabling and patchbays. Have you even heard the thing?
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Post by rowmat on Aug 26, 2017 17:14:30 GMT -6
Luv the digressions for 16 channel of conversion, I am looking around at: - another apogee 8x8 ,but you also are paying for additional spdif (2) and adat (2) ( $2100 usd), I don't need, - trading in my symph mkii 8x8 for a 16x16 ( less than buying the new 8x8), - or buying a motu 8a ($900 usd) and keeping my current symphony mkii - possibly selling the symph and geting a motu 16a ( modded ?). Most interested in #2 I have sold and/or traded my 2 Diz d4's, which brings in some dough and gets me some already modded delta dlx channels (4). So now, I have 6 modded input channels ( mono) , the master modded and the upgraded PSU. So, its coming together ! We ended up with an Alesis HD24XR (two actually) which we use as AD/DA's and they sound great and can be found for under $800. The standard HD24's are even cheaper but the convertors are not in the same league as the XR's converters. However you still need an interface with at least three ADAT I/O's to utilise all 24 channels. We have been using a S/H Presonus Firestudio Lightpipe (Firewire <> ADAT) but are about to replace it with a RME ADI-648 which provides 64 channels of ADAT I/O connectivity via MADI. However for those who have been trying to find a solution for 24 plus ADAT channels RME recently released an ADAT to USB interface. www.rme-audio.de/en/products/digiface_usb.phpHowever I would spend some time with the console and your current setup to see if hybrid mixing is going to be long term workflow you definitely will want to pursue.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 17:25:27 GMT -6
Luv the digressions for 16 channel of conversion, I am looking around at: - another apogee 8x8 ,but you also are paying for additional spdif (2) and adat (2) ( $2100 usd), I don't need, - trading in my symph mkii 8x8 for a 16x16 ( less than buying the new 8x8), - or buying a motu 8a ($900 usd) and keeping my current symphony mkii - possibly selling the symph and geting a motu 16a ( modded ?). Most interested in #2 I have sold and/or traded my 2 Diz d4's, which brings in some dough and gets me some already modded delta dlx channels (4). So now, I have 6 modded input channels ( mono) , the master modded and the upgraded PSU. So, its coming together ! Is it worth all that dough, though? I mean, it's one thing to get a board and plug and play. But now you're talking about new converters, not to mention new cabling and patchbays. Have you even heard the thing? Good point, just looking at options, so far !
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 17:28:28 GMT -6
Rowmat; that is definitely plan A, shipping stuff around for modding gets expensive, but I understand that I can unsolder the pcb from the module and just ship ( carefully packed) that, so one thing at a time !
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Post by rowmat on Aug 26, 2017 17:37:02 GMT -6
We ended up going full console/hybrid path because we track bands and once you include live drums and a bunch of other players I just find a console more intuitive to work with in this situation. Being able to provide latency free cue mixes with outboard FX via the console during tracking is something I'm just used to doing (old habits die hard)
Also many of our clients actually like coming to a studio with a console.
Of course we can still end up ITB for mixing and use I/O's for hardware inserts.
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Post by ericn on Aug 26, 2017 17:37:48 GMT -6
Might I humbly suggest go buy a used RADAR 24, a RME card & add more channels to the DELTA? You won't be sorry!
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 18:11:24 GMT -6
Might I humbly suggest go buy a used RADAR 24, a RME card & add more channels to the DELTA? You won't be sorry! but what does that cost in total ? Plan A was really just trying to get eq's for my DAW's 8 sub groups
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 18:13:06 GMT -6
btw I think I have patchbay and cabling largely covered.
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Post by ericn on Aug 26, 2017 18:25:17 GMT -6
Might I humbly suggest go buy a used RADAR 24, a RME card & add more channels to the DELTA? You won't be sorry! but what does that cost in total ? Plan A was really just trying to get eq's for my DAW's 8 sub groups Less than you think more than you want to spend! Seriously though it's a great way to work!
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Post by wiz on Aug 26, 2017 18:49:59 GMT -6
get it first.. .before you spend any money on anything else.... see how its going to fit with your workflow...
you might end up wanting to sum all channels through it, might not.. might use it how I use it...
You can also grab a cheap ADAT IO box (behringer) and hang that off your apogee and work at 48 and see how it all ties in as well...
keep the wallet closed till you do a couple of projects on it... 8)
cheers
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 18:53:38 GMT -6
Could you be more obtuse ? the motu 8a is under a grand, so that is sort of my base point for adding 8 more converters and keeping the symphony. I am not planing on modding the groups so really only have 16 channels, but technically the groups, potentially add another 8 inputs. Retail there is $1,000 difference between the 8x8 that i have and a 16-16. don't forget that the symph mkii has the excellent DA on the headphone, so I like the idea of staying with the symphony mkii: still has adat so can add more channels later, if need be. A radar 24 or Alesis HD24XR, both sound interesting as well ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 18:54:40 GMT -6
"keep the wallet closed till you do a couple of projects on it... 8)"
take that to the bank !!
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 18:56:15 GMT -6
ps I have a console 1 with the 3 channel strips and a faderport 8 , if I really like the delta, I will sell them both to free up dough for OB !
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Post by subspace on Aug 27, 2017 8:41:13 GMT -6
I like the stand-alone hard disk recorder suggestions, I use a Mackie SDR24/96 for additional i/o and it's remained as my i/o expander through three generations of DAWs. It's normalled to my 16x8x8 Trident Trimix so I always have the option to run a traditional 24-track tracking session. No screens, just a counter and a track sheet.
The current DAW is a MacBook Pro running PT12/LPX/Tracktion 5/AudioDesk 4 via a MOTU 16A, which can open every session format I've used since '99. Thankfully, the freeware Traction 5 still supports the Mackie SDR format, so I can pull the SDR's IDE drive, stick it in a dock and open the session directly on the Mac.
For tracking directly to the DAW, the SDR serves as an i/o expander on the 16A's ADAT ports allowing me to run 24 in/32 out or 24 i/o at 2x rates. Those outputs are spread between the Trident and the Audient ASP2802 dual layer controller. I wouldn't be too quick to ditch your DAW control, it's still at the center of my mix workflow for automation.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 27, 2017 9:01:47 GMT -6
ya job 1 is getting delta here and using with current set up, for modding I am thinking the 16 mono channels and 6 are done, so 10 to do. Once I have used it and had some experience then I will worry about about more conversion etc. I just wanted to get the conversation rolling, cus I know many of you are much further down this road then me, so I appreciate the comments and shared experience. I have actually been thinking about a delta for about 3 years plus, so not as rash as I may appear Now I want to better understand , workflow ( real experience) , gear implications, options and costs and to have fun with this
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 27, 2017 11:15:13 GMT -6
btw I think I have patchbay and cabling largely covered. You're underestimating. Always need more cables.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 27, 2017 11:39:56 GMT -6
btw I think I have patchbay and cabling largely covered. You're underestimating. Always need more cables. Are you ready for this? Attachment Deleted
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 27, 2017 12:44:35 GMT -6
You're underestimating. Always need more cables. Are you ready for this? Here's my current mix...
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 27, 2017 13:49:08 GMT -6
Oh oh !!
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Post by ericn on Aug 27, 2017 19:47:34 GMT -6
Your long term goal should be every jack brought to the bay, it takes time money and effort but with a console it lets you use everything in many different ways. The thing about the Delta is how easy and cheap it is to expand, you can bolt on a small frame and buy a longer ribbon cable and add more modules, Also study the advantages of some of the different modules, the Venue theater modules are probably the most versatile with thee aux routing options ! The world of RADAR and other stand alone recorders feels less like a computer, and gives you the advantage of being used as. An interface. The used world is all about knowing what you want and being patient, My Radar 24/V with controller was $1200 shipped from the U.K. to the states !
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 27, 2017 21:34:07 GMT -6
I have a 52 channel console, I am still working on the console/patchbay, it's a labor of love and it's not cheap!
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Post by rowmat on Aug 27, 2017 22:08:23 GMT -6
I have a 52 channel console, I am still working on the console/patchbay, it's a labor of love and it's not cheap! What console do you have?
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 27, 2017 22:21:09 GMT -6
I have a 52 channel console, I am still working on the console/patchbay, it's a labor of love and it's not cheap! What console do you have? It's a Crest Century VX with 12 Stereo Channels - I will be using those for my FX returns. I have experimented with this console and using outboard preamps in front of the line inputs just makes everything sound like a record! The power supply was modded and it's running 24V rails. Jensen Transformers in the 8 subgroups and main mix buss, and comes with 8 VCA's as well. I have about 10 extra channels with different chip configurations and I found that I like the transformerless channels better, they have much more headroom and they just sound cleaner with more punch, huge headroom. I have been experimenting to find my happy place with the gain staging, and it seems to be too much when driving a transformer channel with all the other transformers in the chain. Too many switches, and it's a pain, but luckily I haven't had an issue with it. It has ADAT's hooked up to it right now until I can finish my setup. It's a beast with a bunch of VU's on the meter bridge. It's a piece that just makes me grin when I gaze upon the beauty of analog!
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Post by rowmat on Aug 27, 2017 23:18:09 GMT -6
What console do you have? It's a Crest Century VX with 12 Stereo Channels - I will be using those for my FX returns. I have experimented with this console and using outboard preamps in front of the line inputs just makes everything sound like a record! The power supply was modded and it's running 24V rails. Jensen Transformers in the 8 subgroups and main mix buss, and comes with 8 VCA's as well. I have about 10 extra channels with different chip configurations and I found that I like the transformerless channels better, they have much more headroom and they just sound cleaner with more punch, huge headroom. I have been experimenting to find my happy place with the gain staging, and it seems to be too much when driving a transformer channel with all the other transformers in the chain. Too many switches, and it's a pain, but luckily I haven't had an issue with it. It has ADAT's hooked up to it right now until I can finish my setup. It's a beast with a bunch of VU's on the meter bridge. It's a piece that just makes me grin when I gaze upon the beauty of analog! Ok cool. Same company that made Crest PA amplifiers. I used to do FOH for a local PA business that had a bunch of Crest amps. I didn't know they also made consoles but down here in Oz there's less variety in this kind of gear due to the relatively small population.
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Post by ericn on Aug 28, 2017 6:47:36 GMT -6
What console do you have? It's a Crest Century VX with 12 Stereo Channels - I will be using those for my FX returns. I have experimented with this console and using outboard preamps in front of the line inputs just makes everything sound like a record! The power supply was modded and it's running 24V rails. Jensen Transformers in the 8 subgroups and main mix buss, and comes with 8 VCA's as well. I have about 10 extra channels with different chip configurations and I found that I like the transformerless channels better, they have much more headroom and they just sound cleaner with more punch, huge headroom. I have been experimenting to find my happy place with the gain staging, and it seems to be too much when driving a transformer channel with all the other transformers in the chain. Too many switches, and it's a pain, but luckily I haven't had an issue with it. It has ADAT's hooked up to it right now until I can finish my setup. It's a beast with a bunch of VU's on the meter bridge. It's a piece that just makes me grin when I gaze upon the beauty of analog! The Upper end Crests are underrated, the lineage well Crest Bought the rights to Gamble and most of the APB Dynasonics Team spent time at Crest! The only Downsides limited studio routing and many were abused, the only Crests I keep my. Distance from are the X-VCA and HP series!
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