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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 24, 2017 17:16:44 GMT -6
So, soon I will have my, new to me, soundcraft delta dlx 16/4/2. Brochure below. I currently have a symphony mkii 8x8 so 8 converters and a 48 point point patch bay . In terms of OB, I have the wa 412 pre, a wa2a, 2 wa76, the stam ssl comp and an older but functional alesis midiverb iv effects unit. I mostly track with no plugs ins but use the pres and comps and mix with 8 groups in my daw. I normally track 1-2 channels at a time but sometimes track real drums which is 4-8 inputs Originally, I wanted the delta for the 4 band eq and to patch out to it while mixing ( I use logic) , all channels have inserts. Set up and use thoughts ? Attachment DeletedThx ! |
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Post by ragan on Aug 24, 2017 17:23:56 GMT -6
You don't have all 8 outputs, right, because the Symphony uses two of them for monitors? kcatthedog |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 24, 2017 18:30:33 GMT -6
Correct but blasphemy of blasphemies I have been tracking and mixing my last 5 songs into my cans, so guess I could defeat the 1-2 to outputs ? But as you had pointed out a while ago either more channels of conversion are looming on the horizon or I mix into 6 for now  |
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Post by wiz on Aug 24, 2017 18:37:03 GMT -6
ADAT IO on the symphony ?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 24, 2017 18:51:24 GMT -6
Yup: Feast your eyes:  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 24, 2017 18:52:43 GMT -6
Does your motu 16a have adat ? , that would work out nicely:) seek and kcat shall find ! 2x adat nice ! As the group modules on the delta have 2 mono trs inserts each, the 16/4/2 is really a 24 input desk, so 8x8 plus 2 banks of 8 adat = 24 Attachment Deleted |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 24, 2017 19:05:06 GMT -6
symph mkii will only pass 1 bank of adat so=16
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Post by rowmat on Aug 24, 2017 19:09:39 GMT -6
How about 48 ADAT channels of I/O conversion for around $1600 USD?  |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 24, 2017 20:36:14 GMT -6
How about 48 ADAT channels of I/O conversion for around $1600 USD? Meh? It's an obsolete, bandwidth limited format and these days not much cheaper than you'd pay for a high bandwidth, full featured interface like the Orion. I don't understand why people would still use ADAT. It's so.... 20th century!    |
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Post by wiz on Aug 24, 2017 20:49:05 GMT -6
Does your motu 16a have adat ? , that would work out nicely:) seek and kcat shall find ! 2x adat nice ! As the group modules on the delta have 2 mono trs inserts each, the 16/4/2 is really a 24 input desk, so 8x8 plus 2 banks of 8 adat = 24 Here is how I run mine You could connect the MOTU 16A to the Computer as your main interface, and hang the symphony off it via ADAT..... thats one way. I use a Behringer ADA8200 off the MOTU 16A adat IO ( I work at 48khz) and it drives four channels on the desk, and headphone sends and VU meters. The MOTU does the other 12 Channels, Adam A7 Monitors, and Bricasti in and outs. If I wanted to go to 96Khz, I would probably just buy the MOTU 8A and connect it up. cheers Wiz |
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Post by lcr on Aug 25, 2017 2:52:21 GMT -6
Does your motu 16a have adat ? , that would work out nicely:) seek and kcat shall find ! 2x adat nice ! As the group modules on the delta have 2 Â mono trs inserts each, the 16/4/2 is really a 24 input desk, so 8x8 plus 2 banks of 8 adat = 24 Here is how I run mine You could connect the MOTU 16A to the Computer as your main interface, and hang the symphony off it via ADAT..... thats one way. I use a Behringer ADA8200 off the MOTU 16A adat IO ( I work at 48khz) and it drives four channels on the desk, and headphone sends and VU meters. The MOTU does the other 12 Channels, Adam A7 Monitors, and Bricasti in and outs. If I wanted to go to 96Khz, I would probably just buy the MOTU 8A and connect it up. cheers Wiz VU meters? |
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Post by rowmat on Aug 25, 2017 4:20:54 GMT -6
How about 48 ADAT channels of I/O conversion for around $1600 USD? Meh? It's an obsolete, bandwidth limited format and these days not much cheaper than you'd pay for a high bandwidth, full featured interface like the Orion. I don't understand why people would still use ADAT. It's so.... 20th century! Well I guess that makes me a bigger luddite than you! 😜 |
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Post by wiz on Aug 25, 2017 4:24:24 GMT -6
Here is how I run mine You could connect the MOTU 16A to the Computer as your main interface, and hang the symphony off it via ADAT..... thats one way. I use a Behringer ADA8200 off the MOTU 16A adat IO ( I work at 48khz) and it drives four channels on the desk, and headphone sends and VU meters. The MOTU does the other 12 Channels, Adam A7 Monitors, and Bricasti in and outs. If I wanted to go to 96Khz, I would probably just buy the MOTU 8A and connect it up. cheers Wiz VU meters? I run a set of VU meters Cheers Wiz |
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Post by subspace on Aug 25, 2017 8:42:57 GMT -6
My suggestion: mount the bay facing up behind the desk, but lower than the jacks. Only put the outboard/interface on the bay, so Symphony o/p 1-8, WA412 o/p 1-4, WA76 o/p 1-2, SSL o/p 1-2, WA2A o/p 1 plus the XLR o/p on the board, group o/p 1-4 and mix o/p L-R. That's 23 jacks on the top row.
Same thing on the bottom row but start with the first 8 desk line i/p so Line i/p 1-8, Symphony i/p 1-8, WA76 i/p 1-2, SSL i/p 1-2, WA2A i/p 1. That's 21 inputs the bottom row. Half normal the first 16 rows so the Symphony shows up on the first 8 desk channels and the WA412, WA76s and SSL feed the first 8 Symphony inputs.
Get a bunch of TRS to TRS and TRS insert cables and you can make anything go anywhere if you lean over the desk long enough...
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 25, 2017 9:50:52 GMT -6
Nice Subspace.
I have 2 wa76, but I catch your drift basically bring everything to the board and just use it any way you want.
Was just checking out the motu 8 and 16
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2017 14:13:23 GMT -6
Meh? It's an obsolete, bandwidth limited format and these days not much cheaper than you'd pay for a high bandwidth, full featured interface like the Orion. I don't understand why people would still use ADAT. It's so.... 20th century! Well I guess that makes me a bigger luddite than you! 😜 Guess I'll have to work on that! Wire recording, anybody? |
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Post by winetree on Aug 25, 2017 19:24:55 GMT -6
I've got a Chicago-Webster wire recorder and quite a few spools of wire. It's got the magic green eye for VU.
I also have probably the first dupe machine.
It has the wire spool on the left and a record platter with stylus arm on the right.
The outside of the platter also acts as the take-up reel for the wire.
You can make copies of your records to wire.
Anybody need some dupes made?
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2017 20:35:25 GMT -6
I've got a Chicago-Webster wire recorder and quite a few spools of wire. It's got the magic green eye for VU. I also have probably the first dupe machine. It has the wire spool on the left and a record platter with stylus arm on the right. The outside of the platter also acts as the take-up reel for the wire. You can make copies of your records to wire. Anybody need some dupes made? OK, you got me beat! |
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Post by rowmat on Aug 25, 2017 20:49:12 GMT -6
Well I guess that makes me a bigger luddite than you! 😜 Guess I'll have to work on that! Wire recording, anybody? I'll see your wire recorder and raise you a wax cylinder! 😎 |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 25, 2017 21:55:16 GMT -6
Think I have 3 working wire recorders, and there's an all mechanical cylinder recorder I've never fired up.
Anyway, not sure what 'ADAT' is being referred to, but I read 'ADAT light pipe digital transfer protocol' when I see 'ADAT'. It passes whatever 24 bit stuff you send it.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 12:10:52 GMT -6
Think I have 3 working wire recorders, and there's an all mechanical cylinder recorder I've never fired up. Anyway, not sure what 'ADAT' is being referred to, but I read 'ADAT light pipe digital transfer protocol' when I see 'ADAT'. It passes whatever 24 bit stuff you send it. Yeah, but only up to 48k. I wasn't referring to actual ADAT machines. I don't really understand why anybody would make a product that works up to 192k and include an interface standard that cripples I/O to 48k... I guess it's the strength of backwards compatibility (which I'm usually all for), but it just seems strange to me. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2017 12:11:54 GMT -6
Think I have 3 working wire recorders, and there's an all mechanical cylinder recorder I've never fired up. Anyway, not sure what 'ADAT' is being referred to, but I read 'ADAT light pipe digital transfer protocol' when I see 'ADAT'. It passes whatever 24 bit stuff you send it. Yeah, but only up to 48k. I wasn't referring to actual ADAT machines. It does 96K. It's a pain in the ass, but it does it. |
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2017 12:16:33 GMT -6
Yeah, but only up to 48k. I wasn't referring to actual ADAT machines. It does 96K. It's a pain in the ass, but it does it. Is that 96k with half the channels? I seem to remember something about that... |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 26, 2017 12:32:20 GMT -6
It does 96K. It's a pain in the ass, but it does it. Is that 96k with half the channels? I seem to remember something about that... yes. plays havoc with routing if you change rates. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 26, 2017 16:50:18 GMT -6
Luv the digressions for 16 channel of conversion, I am looking around at: - another apogee 8x8 ,but you also are paying for additional spdif (2) and adat (2) ( $2100 usd), I don't need, - trading in my symph mkii 8x8 for a 16x16 ( less than buying the new 8x8), - or buying a motu 8a ($900 usd) and keeping my current symphony mkii - possibly selling the symph and geting a motu 16a ( modded ?). Most interested in #2 I have sold and/or traded my 2 Diz d4's, which brings in some dough and gets me some already modded delta dlx channels (4). So now, I have 6 modded input channels ( mono) , the master modded and the upgraded PSU. So, its coming together ! |
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