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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 13:01:35 GMT -6
Nick Trikakis is the one who told me about the fan. My symphony works great in USB mode as well.
This feels like a gearslutz thread for some reason...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2014 13:06:52 GMT -6
I agree - the combative nature annoys me a little.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 10, 2014 15:51:05 GMT -6
I agree - the combative nature annoys me a little. That's a personality type...that's annoying! Anyway, I have the Burl B2 and lynx aurora and I can definitely confirm that running through the Capi VP28 from my board back into the lynx is not the same as running through the B2. I had the 192 and even though they may share the same chip it obviously sounds nothing like it. I hated the 192 and most digital converters for that matter but the B2 was the first time I didn't hate digital. To me it sounds real and when pushed gets nice and crispy like I remember tape! Not sure Im keeping the Lynx yet, thought I might try the Symphony...to those with experience, is the Symphony neutral or hyped??
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 10, 2014 15:58:58 GMT -6
I agree - the combative nature annoys me a little. That's a personality type...that's annoying! Anyway, I have the Burl B2 and lynx aurora and I can definitely confirm that running through the Capi VP28 from my board back into the lynx is not the same as running through the B2. I had the 192 and even though they may share the same chip it obviously sounds nothing like it. I hated the 192 and most digital converters for that matter but the B2 was the first time I didn't hate digital. To me it sounds real and when pushed gets nice and crispy like I remember tape! Not sure Im keeping the Lynx yet, thought I might try the Symphony...to those with experience, is the Symphony neutral or hyped?? Hey Rick, Good info. Have you heard the Burl pres by any chance? Do you think those in front of another A/D would get you in the ballpark of the Bomber or do you think we're comparing apples to oranges here?
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 10, 2014 16:08:48 GMT -6
That's a personality type...that's annoying! Anyway, I have the Burl B2 and lynx aurora and I can definitely confirm that running through the Capi VP28 from my board back into the lynx is not the same as running through the B2. I had the 192 and even though they may share the same chip it obviously sounds nothing like it. I hated the 192 and most digital converters for that matter but the B2 was the first time I didn't hate digital. To me it sounds real and when pushed gets nice and crispy like I remember tape! Not sure Im keeping the Lynx yet, thought I might try the Symphony...to those with experience, is the Symphony neutral or hyped?? Hey Rick, Good info. Have you heard the Burl pres by any chance? Do you think those in front of another A/D would get you in the ballpark of the Bomber or do you think we're comparing apples to oranges here? Never heard the Burl pres. Tell you the truth...I don't know, maybe apples to oranges. I barely can use this stuff ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) much less know how these things are accomplished. I will say the Burl B2 sounds great and I don't know how conversion can be approved on from this point. I would buy the mothership but Im a hobbyist and cant justify the cost for 8 adc and 8 dac's.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 10, 2014 16:49:04 GMT -6
I agree - the combative nature annoys me a little. That's a personality type...that's annoying! Anyway, I have the Burl B2 and lynx aurora and I can definitely confirm that running through the Capi VP28 from my board back into the lynx is not the same as running through the B2. I had the 192 and even though they may share the same chip it obviously sounds nothing like it. I hated the 192 and most digital converters for that matter but the B2 was the first time I didn't hate digital. To me it sounds real and when pushed gets nice and crispy like I remember tape! Not sure Im keeping the Lynx yet, thought I might try the Symphony...to those with experience, is the Symphony neutral or hyped?? The Symphony to me has always sounded the slightest bit rolled off. I would't really call it a reference converter as it does have a sound. But it's a nice sound, very nice. Works awesome with a console. Couldn't see why anyone would want anything more for that application. I also agree about the B2. In my experience (with this converter and with other gear), to point out that so and so uses some of the same parts isn't much help. A design is so much more than one or two parts. In the case of the Burl, the designer figured something out that was different. It's got the mojo I LOVE. Can't explain how he did it though because I'm nowhere near technical enough, but it's there. A timeless piece of kit I would say. And by the way, if anyone has concerns about the future of their gear, the Burl line shouldn't be one of them. One phone call to those groovy dudes in Santa Cruz and you figure out quick that they are serious music makers not just gear peddlers. They are in it for the right reasons. Great bunch of guys.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2014 17:05:18 GMT -6
So - spent my "returned Burl" money on another Heritage 73jr and another Brute...
I do want a Burl someday - it sounded great, but I'm gonna wait until I can afford to keep the Symphony too...Just not interested in learning another software interface...
Or a Lavry Gold and just call it a day.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 10, 2014 17:30:47 GMT -6
So - spent my "returned Burl" money on another Heritage 73jr and another Brute... I do want a Burl someday - it sounded great, but I'm gonna wait until I can afford to keep the Symphony too...Just not interested in learning another software interface... Or a Lavry Gold and just call it a day. What do you have in your rig now? Pair of Brutes, pair of '73jr, pair of vp28's, heider, capi eq, helios something, modded cv4 and a pair of c5's?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2014 17:34:34 GMT -6
VP28, Heider, 73jr, Helios Type 69, Brute, modded CV4 and a C5. The CAPI EQ was on loan...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2014 17:35:17 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't need all of those pres...really just need two...but I'm addicted.
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Post by lolo on Jan 10, 2014 18:32:27 GMT -6
JK maybe try a Serpent Audio Chimera instead of the Brute. Sure that bad boy will kick some ass. Then you can post samples for all of us to hear. ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 10, 2014 22:22:04 GMT -6
yes, samples please, :-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 10, 2014 22:26:47 GMT -6
When I get my money tree.
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Post by roundbadge on Jan 11, 2014 20:06:28 GMT -6
coming from Symphony and Avid IO's I bought a Burl Mothership and recently added a B2 AD.[18 x 24] I just LOVE the sound of this system.very analog vibe.not a colored dark colored thing at all but a natural open wide/ large sound soundstage. mind you Im running it on a 32 ch console setup with an Atomic clock at 96K. I record a LOT of live drums and the sonic difference is significant from the Symphony and Avid IO's Ive been using. the Avid I run alongside it sounds kinda bland by comparison.mind you the Avid is a very good box to start with. I;ve also heard from a few guys that the Burl really shines at higher sampling rates..I'm always at 96k so I haven't compared.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 11, 2014 20:54:14 GMT -6
I bet it excels recording drums! Thanks for posting, roundbadge! I'm just gonna have to wait until I can afford the Mothership...guess I could even start without the DA module.
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Post by roundbadge on Jan 11, 2014 22:27:50 GMT -6
yeah the benefits of the MS are seriously compounded when multitracking and using multiple ch's of DA on a good discrete console. I redid some backing tracks[new arrangement/tempos] for some friends last weekend. the originals were done on Avid and Symph IO's about 9 months ago and the sonic difference was palpable re: size and depth/low end on the new tracks. yes it isnt cheap but I picked up my MS used and have been picking up extra IO modules through deals and used as I go. I LOVE this setup!
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Post by popmann on Jan 11, 2014 22:35:19 GMT -6
I bet it excels recording drums! Thanks for posting, roundbadge! I'm just gonna have to wait until I can afford the Mothership...guess I could even start without the DA module. Why? Mothership still isn't an interface. You buying an Avid HD Native Thunderbolt interface system with it? Or switching to Windows where you can get an AES solution? If John had the money in hand...what would a Mothership do for you?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 11, 2014 23:52:26 GMT -6
I bet it excels recording drums! Thanks for posting, roundbadge! I'm just gonna have to wait until I can afford the Mothership...guess I could even start without the DA module. Why? Mothership still isn't an interface. You buying an Avid HD Native Thunderbolt interface system with it? Or switching to Windows where you can get an AES solution? If John had the money in hand...what would a Mothership do for you? Maybe I'm taking you wrong, but it seems like you're trying to "catch" me being wrong about something...Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the previous post - but I meant I should just wait until "money wasn't an issue" to take on the Burl thing. Yes, I realize the MS isn't an interface. But if money were no object, then that wouldn't matter, would it? I could keep a Symphony I/O for connectivity via Thunderbolt. Then have as many AD and DA modules as I wanted.
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Post by popmann on Jan 12, 2014 1:26:52 GMT -6
I'm trying to help. And apparently failing. My bad. Sorry.
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Post by lolo on Jan 12, 2014 1:45:05 GMT -6
This is like a soap opera
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Post by Guitar on Jan 12, 2014 2:11:28 GMT -6
starring Papa John and Kenn Mann Jr., any resemblances to real online personalities are strictly coincidental
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 12, 2014 9:26:12 GMT -6
I bet it excels recording drums! Thanks for posting, roundbadge! I'm just gonna have to wait until I can afford the Mothership...guess I could even start without the DA module. Why? Mothership still isn't an interface. You buying an Avid HD Native Thunderbolt interface system with it? Or switching to Windows where you can get an AES solution? If John had the money in hand...what would a Mothership do for you? Which AES system do you recommend in this scenario? I have no problem considering a Windows machine. Matter of fact, probably will go back to Windows with the next computer. @ Roundbadge I'd love to hear your rig with that 10M. I know it must sound amazing through that console.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 11:06:26 GMT -6
Yeah - how much is that $6000 clock effecting that signal?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2014 11:11:31 GMT -6
I'm trying to help. And apparently failing. My bad. Sorry. Sorry if I'm being an asshole...Sometimes you read things one way and it's hard to get off of that track.
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Post by popmann on Jan 12, 2014 11:52:08 GMT -6
Why? Mothership still isn't an interface. You buying an Avid HD Native Thunderbolt interface system with it? Or switching to Windows where you can get an AES solution? If John had the money in hand...what would a Mothership do for you? Which AES system do you recommend in this scenario? I have no problem considering a Windows machine. Matter of fact, probably will go back to Windows with the next computer. For a Mothership level of IO, there are really only two choices for straight multichannel AES...RME and Lynx PCIe cards. Both stackable to be 32x32. Functionality, depends on whether you are using a cue mixer or you want the card to provide that...while they both do provide hardware mixing, Totalmix is pretty much unbeatable in terms of flexibility in routing anything to anything...I've found that when it comes to digital cue mixing--there's sort of Totalmix....and then everyone else. But, for me...or you with the analog cue? The Lynx is half the price with the same level latency (thus efficiency) drivers...and support. Once you start looking at huge IO...there's only one solution. Avid. I think the one HD Native will go to what 64x64...after that, you need to go HDX2&3 (which is more DSP that anyone should need IMO)--just to get more ports. But, if you need to go beyond 64x64, we probably need to have a different discussion about WHY... Side note since this was Burl thread...that lovely Jason Isbell record? Mixed on that Burl summing system. I've never so second guessed my decision to NOT go the route of analog summing here. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) In case Dave stops by here...I'm talking about the SOUND...I like the content "ok"--he certainly wrote a few goosebump moments into it...but, what really blows me away about that is the SOUND of Southeastern. It's so pleasant and natural and open. Thank you to Dave for doing a great job AND whomever was brave enough to release said great job without turning it into an audio pancake. Jason's Elephant would've never given me goosebumps...because I'd have turned it OFF before track 4 had it been a typical DR6 master. He and Tedeschi Trucks Band....I'm starting to think some indies are "getting" that.
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