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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 6:30:51 GMT -6
I think that is the "big' sonic difference b2 vc SB, the B2 has its signature sound, the SV will be transparent so you can mix into its resolution
the other big difference is price; the SB is AD and DA for $800, burl new is 5-6 times that as it does not make a combined AD DA 2 channel box so you need to buy a b2 AD and a B2 DA; rwo boxes.
people can of course buy what they like, but I feel that svart nailed his design spec and the price to value point is a very significant achievement
in my case, the sb improved DA also led to me selling my dbox monitor controller which represents an additional savings.
looking forward to JK's commnents !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 20, 2015 7:04:38 GMT -6
That's interesting kcat. The summing of the D-Box, was only for monitoring, correct? It stands to reason that if the SvartBox cleans up D/A-A/D, you might not need a D-Box anymore.
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Post by ragan on Apr 20, 2015 7:38:47 GMT -6
That's interesting kcat. The summing of the D-Box, was only for monitoring, correct? It stands to reason that if the SvartBox cleans up D/A-A/D, you might not need a D-Box anymore. You print the summing as well, MJB, so it does end up in your mix. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 7:42:41 GMT -6
and the dbox has no digital out so you are actually rerecording its output through your interface AD( Apollo), as you recall when we experimented with your files we still really liked the printed track but technically a second conversion
But as our apollos have spdif and svart's box uses spdif and as spdif has the word clock info embedded in it and he has used high quality components and you can slave the apollo to the spdif signal then you can add the SB to an apollo set up and have 2 high end only track coming into your daw on spdif
then for print and or mastering you can send your stereo sub mix to the svart's box DA and bring it back to your daw on spdif and print that, so the final print track will benefit from the SB improved DA, no extra conversion and you solo that print track in your daw and monitor it as well
so, exactly right, that is why I sold my dbox; I give up the summing and having a formal monitor controller, but the SB provides other benefits which to me outweigh these losses.
Also it freed up cash which I am saving for some Warm Audio Pultec eq's
cue descending surf guitar riff, verb on 12 and go svart go !!!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 20, 2015 9:56:44 GMT -6
Thanks Ragan.
It's gonna be nice to have the svart option! Since I can't buy now anyway, I'm looking forward to the reviews, will likely buy a little later on.
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Post by ragan on Apr 20, 2015 10:20:33 GMT -6
Thanks Ragan. It's gonna be nice to have the svart option! Since I can't buy now anyway, I'm looking forward to the reviews, will likely buy a little later on. Yeah I haven't been following the Svart developments but it sounds really interesting. I may stick with the Burl/Apollo/D Box combo for a long time. I really like this little rig a lot. With the DMA73 and WA12's, I've stopped lusting for pres too. I think I might be *GHASP!!!* satisfied. |
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Post by matt on Apr 20, 2015 10:55:27 GMT -6
I love my B2 A/D on the 2-Bus, but I am re-thinking the use of a B2 for D/A. Right now I have both inline, but am looking at the Pure 2. Tons of clock outputs, and early word is that it's clean. I get color elsewhere, so I am not sure that I need to add more at the final A/D and playback steps.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 20, 2015 11:20:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't change nuttin' there Ragan, until something comes along that's an obvious upgrade.
I can see how you'd feel that way Matt. I needed all the color the Burl could give me when I tried it out, but could see that at the last D/A conversion, you might want it exactly as mixed, no mo mojo needed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2015 11:22:31 GMT -6
I love my B2 A/D on the 2-Bus, but I am re-thinking the use of a B2 for D/A. Right now I have both inline, but am looking at the Pure 2. Tons of clock outputs, and early word is that it's clean. I get color elsewhere, so I am not sure that I need to add more at the final A/D and playback steps. I know I sound like a shill...but doesn't Svart's box use the exact same chips as the Pure? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 11:28:03 GMT -6
I know what Ragan is on about having had the same combo; its really fine !
due to things like my furnace breaking, taxes etc., and the impending release of the svart box I thought WTH and sold my ddox and b2 and am planning on replacing them with the SB.
We are lucky to have access to such great gear !
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Post by matt on Apr 20, 2015 11:30:16 GMT -6
I love my B2 A/D on the 2-Bus, but I am re-thinking the use of a B2 for D/A. Right now I have both inline, but am looking at the Pure 2. Tons of clock outputs, and early word is that it's clean. I get color elsewhere, so I am not sure that I need to add more at the final A/D and playback steps. I know I sound like a shill...but doesn't Svart's box use the exact same chips as the Pure? The Svartverter is definitely on the short list. I don't need to change anything, but I can't seem to help myself, the idea of super-clean final conversion suddenly turns me on. Also, I'd like to move the B2 A/D back to tracking duties. I know I can re-patch, but I'm a lazy, lazy man, and like things just so. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 11:33:24 GMT -6
I have read that people find the B2 DA a little darker than the B2 AD ? I think it was a Tape OP article ?
People may recall that Jim Williams commented here about preferring converters without transformers in line ( like the Burl) but then you can add the colour you want in your mix.
that made a lot of sense to me. Much as I liked the burl b2.
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Post by ragan on Apr 20, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -6
From what I've read, the Burl DA is not colored like the AD. I haven't heard it so can't really comment, but they're different pieces. Also, I think the Burl "color" is overblown. You can drive the transformer a lot if you want and it'll definitely put some hair on things but at normal settings, I find it to just be a beautiful, real sounding AD.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 20, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -6
I tend to feel like Ragan does. Sometime sounding "right" is about something the hardware isn't doing, and whatever it is, as far as the A/D goes, the Burl's the deal.
I can relate to what Matt says here, "Also, I'd like to move the B2 A/D back to tracking duties. I know I can re-patch, but I'm a lazy, lazy man, and like things just so. ". I got a nice vocal sound on my Tone Beast last session for a friend's vocal, and I never want to change the dials again
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 12:24:33 GMT -6
I am a b2 fan boy too just relating what was said in Tape op, if I had unlimited funds I would have kept the b2 for sure and the ability to drive the transformers is a really good feature, but personally I think it is those kick ass meters that really makes the burl sound great, but kermit disagrees with me for some odd reason  |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 20, 2015 16:10:14 GMT -6
You guys are killing me! I am just about to order one, but the new tube mic has to come first. I have been putting this Burl purchase off every time I have the money to get it. I am not going to be able to hold off much longer if you guys keep it up. I had a Lavry DA10 that I liked. The wide setting was pretty remarkable. It had a very wide sound stage and you could hear placement very well. I wish I still had it, to me it was a little step down when I got my dbox, but I needed more options for my DAW at the time. Sing it Willie...Burl is always on my mind. Burl is always on my mind.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 17:16:43 GMT -6
well if i was you I would wait until after JK demos the complete SB but your call or buy a used burl b2 and a SB for the same money |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2015 17:23:24 GMT -6
I've noticed that there have been a lot of used B2's available lately - and cheaper than I bought mine.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 20, 2015 18:21:22 GMT -6
You guys are killing me! I am just about to order one, but the new tube mic has to come first. I have been putting this Burl purchase off every time I have the money to get it. I am not going to be able to hold off much longer if you guys keep it up. I had a Lavry DA10 that I liked. The wide setting was pretty remarkable. It had a very wide sound stage and you could hear placement very well. I wish I still had it, to me it was a little step down when I got my dbox, but I needed more options for my DAW at the time. Sing it Willie...Burl is always on my mind. Burl is always on my mind. They're hard to beat. If you do get one, I can't imagine you not being thrilled with it. They are expensive, 1k a channel but worth it. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 20, 2015 20:27:02 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I am in search of my tube mic first, so many to choose from. Maybe I can cut some vocals and you guys can help me find my mic. Working on the vocal chain, then Burl. Cowboy, I want to lay a vocal on that song in the working on thread. I will pm you once I get some time. My wife and I are preparing for a gig next week and I have been busy learning new tunes for it. I am Burling like crazy.
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Post by sopwith on Apr 20, 2015 20:30:14 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I am in search of my tube mic first, so many to choose from. Maybe I can cut some vocals and you guys can help me find my mic. Working on the vocal chain, then Burl. Cowboy, I want to lay a vocal on that song in the working on thread. I will pm you once I get some time. My wife and I are preparing for a gig next week and I have been busy learning new tunes for it. I am Burling like crazy. Buy this, and use the $2k you save to Burl up: realgearonline.com/thread/3184/shannon-rhoades-modded-cv4 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 20, 2015 21:05:20 GMT -6
It's is an awesome mic. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if it didn't sell...
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Post by sopwith on Apr 20, 2015 22:04:19 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I am in search of my tube mic first, so many to choose from. Maybe I can cut some vocals and you guys can help me find my mic. Working on the vocal chain, then Burl. Cowboy, I want to lay a vocal on that song in the working on thread. I will pm you once I get some time. My wife and I are preparing for a gig next week and I have been busy learning new tunes for it. I am Burling like crazy. Buy this, and use the $2k you save to Burl up: realgearonline.com/thread/3184/shannon-rhoades-modded-cv4Between the way yours sounds on vocals and the way Chuck's sounds on sax, it convinced me to get my own. Sinsay tuned mine a bit brighter by request, and it is undeniably awesome. |
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Post by joey808 on Apr 20, 2015 22:46:41 GMT -6
Have any of you guys used your B2 ADC with the B32 Vancouver?
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 23, 2015 18:15:01 GMT -6
I am looking for a used Burl B2 ADC. Anyone know of one that is used or wants to sell one? There were many for sale not long ago, and now I can't find one.
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