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Post by watchtower on Jan 14, 2014 19:11:50 GMT -6
Heartfelt, did this get resolved? I noticed the thread has been removed from GS
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2014 22:08:50 GMT -6
Are you freaking kidding? That place is so unbelievably predictable.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 15, 2014 0:13:09 GMT -6
Well that's why I'm curious - was it really resolved, or was it deleted for political reasons? I'm especially curious because I own a BeesNeez capsule. The capsule sounds great, but it would still be nice to know all I can about the company if that makes any sense at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 3:23:54 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 4:32:43 GMT -6
It actually went significantly future than this. From what I saw, it looked like there was a bit of misunderstanding on both parties behalf. I'm still surprised to see the thread down...but not.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 8:10:14 GMT -6
From what I know, is that Ben kind of blew @heartfelt off and then tried to come off as a victim in the thread. As I said TheFirebird said, there was a proper way to handle this and Ben didn't do it. BTW, I wonder whether Ben pays/has paid for adspace on Gearslutz? Gee, I wonder why it was deleted.
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Post by lolo on Jan 15, 2014 8:28:59 GMT -6
Thanks Goodness i didn't buy a beezneez Mic Looked into them at some stage
FYI That thread was closed at GS Bastards!!!!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 8:44:29 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 9:07:35 GMT -6
It's interesting. I think people just stay there because they don't know of any alternatives. They probably have 1000 times this site's traffic...
But shit like that is absolutely commonplace. I think a valuable service of sites like these are customer testimonials. That is the only way to sift through ALL the hype that is put out there. As long as the problem or complaint is posted in a responsible manner, it can be a POSITIVE for the manufacturer. They can respond and show people that they are resolving problems. If Ben had come in and said, "Oh, man - I'm so sorry this is still an issue. Here's what I want to do for you..." Instead, he listed 20 excuses. Believe me - I DO NOT BELIEVE that the customer is always right - some people are fucking crazy...I get that. But this wasn't the case and for the thread to get deleted just wreaks of why I have a major problem with Gearslutz. They are protecting their advertising investments over the good of the site. Moderators with vested interests and advertisers determining what should and shouldn't be posted. It's ridiculous.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 9:37:58 GMT -6
It's interesting. I think people just stay there because they don't know of any alternatives. They probably have 1000 times this site's traffic... But shit like that is absolutely commonplace. I think a valuable service of sites like these are customer testimonials. That is the only way to sift through ALL the hype that is put out there. As long as the problem or complaint is posted in a responsible manner, it can be a POSITIVE for the manufacturer. They can respond and show people that they are resolving problems. If Ben had come in and said, "Oh, man - I'm so sorry this is still an issue. Here's what I want to do for you..." Instead, he listed 20 excuses. Believe me - I DO NOT BELIEVE that the customer is always right - some people are fucking crazy...I get that. But this wasn't the case and for the thread to get deleted just wreaks of why I have a major problem with Gearslutz. They are protecting their advertising investments over the good of the site. Moderators with vested interests and advertisers determining what should and shouldn't be posted. It's ridiculous. I agree. It's like there can be no negative posts. Really makes me wonder how many of the common posters are company plants too. Maybe getting discounted gear direct for repeat testimonials. Maybe just getting a pay check? Not really sure, but it is interesting. Hopefully my BeesNeez doesn't have similar problems... Mine is the biggest, heaviest mic that I've ever used (pictured next to the CV4 for size comparison). It has the Australian made power supply too (supposedly anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 9:45:56 GMT -6
The bottom line is he left me hanging with a failed unit, shortly after a lengthy repair with poor communication and 4 unkept promises on time tables. I understand that people get overwhelmed and especially small businesses. The key to success in any business when facing difficulties is communication. I quick word greases the wheels and puts people at ease. The latter is what I sincerely hope Ben gets from all of this and that no one else has to go through what I did. Also, i found out, at the time of the thread, I had been sold a Beta mic which I hadn't agreed to. He described the features of the beta as a selling point but never told me it was a beta. What I mean is that I have a high roll off jumper on the board that I can change.
In the end, it's just a freaking microphone and life goes on. I don't stay awake thinking about Beesneez though I was plenty ticked by the end of yesterday with the thread's direction and private messages.
I have to now give Ben some credit. When you get that mad, you tend to parse every word, evaluating everything according to your filter and my filter was getting dark. I had ended by telling Ben, he was out of his mind in response to what he thought to be a burying the hatchet message but I interpreted as another minimization. He replied quickly with some statements that should have been said much earlier and public in the situation, appreciating my position and promising to fix it quickly if I will simply send it. He explained that he thought he was being interpreted incorrectly in certain comments. What he shared doesn't address everything, doesn't answer every point or question but, I realize that Ben is not me. He won't do everything that I would do as a service provider (which I am during the day).
I have slept on it and will likely do the same tonight before deciding to finalize my decision to add to my hammer collection or to send it to him.
I think he is trying and I have to wonder what this all would have been like over coffee. I like to bring anonymous discussions back to that scale - what would this look like if we were face to face and having coffee or a drink.
ahhhh, maybe I just need to lighten up and make some music.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 9:47:57 GMT -6
I agree. It's like there can be no negative posts. Really makes me wonder how many of the common posters are company plants too. Maybe getting discounted gear direct for repeat testimonials. Maybe just getting a pay check? Not really sure, but it is interesting. Hopefully my BeesNeez doesn't have similar problems... Mine is the biggest, heaviest mic that I've ever used (pictured next to the CV4 for size comparison). It has the Australian made power supply too (supposedly anyway). Looks great and that is not the power supply that I have. Mine is obviously an earlier unit. I expected mine to be the studio series (not a beta) and yours to be a producer series.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 10:06:35 GMT -6
Good Lord...what am I thinking...1000 times this site's traffic? More like 10 times 1000 times...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 10:25:23 GMT -6
The beta point is what I'm most curious about. My understanding is that BN was building mics in OEM bodies before there were a studio and producer series. They were all "studio series" at one point in the OEM bodies with the Chinese supplies. I know that he also released a batch of Arabella GT's (studio series), once there were two separate series of mics out, at a low $899 or $999 price point. Was your mic made pre producer series? Or were there the current mic line ups and you just got one in the OEM body? I ended up with a BeesNeez because of a reference from a fellow local engineer whom I trust and the praise I read on the other board. The mic that I have popped up for sale used and I scooped it up. Before purchasing the mic, I had emailed Ben and Veronica about the Arabella GT (what my engineer buddie has) and they gave me some info and told me that they could build one for me for a decent price. At that point I came across a used Frank, which is supposed to be a custom design that the guy I got it from requested. I emailed BN about this Frank that I came across and they told me that they could make me a new Frank too. After finding out that I was looking at the used mic, communication seemed to fall off. I pulled the trigger on the used one anyway and am mostly happy with it. Sounds big and intimate, but seems to have a bit of low output. I seem to need to boost more on my pres to get up to level. I've read that a lot of Arabella users have a similar experience. How was your James? Did it need a lot of amplification? What's wrong with the mic currently? Is it just a power supply problem or does the mic have a problem too?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 10:30:38 GMT -6
I think it before the 2 series but there was mention then of the 2 series to come… just one type of James mic and I bought THAT. What I said was based on an assumption of mine that they used better components and made it a producer series, thus creating the two lines. I could be wrong.
My original repair was reseating the capsule (I believe), it rocked back and forth. When I got it back, the PS failed, my current problem.
I never noticed output issues. I used Daking MP1's usually have the gain at 50% or so. Interesting about your used mic scenario.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 10:50:20 GMT -6
I think it before the 2 series but there was mention then of the 2 series to come… just one type of James mic and I bought THAT. What I said was based on an assumption of mine that they used better components and made it a producer series, thus creating the two lines. I could be wrong. My original repair was reseating the capsule (I believe), it rocked back and forth. When I got it back, the PS failed, my current problem. I never noticed output issues. I used Daking MP1's usually have the gain at 50% or so. Interesting about your used mic scenario. I imagine that you're not in my area (MA/RI), but if you are and want to test with my supply, we can give it a go.
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Post by popmann on Jan 15, 2014 11:14:40 GMT -6
Facebook was created for direct marketing purposes. While I don't like to believe Jules&Co create GS for the purpose, that is now it's sole purpose. The blind being led to the cash register by a combination of blind and knowing plants.
I'm allowed to stay there, despite my response to nearly every "what should I buy" with "none of the above", because I provide cover of sorts for that. And because no one who is in the middle of GAS will believe the slippers are on their feet already. I'm no threat that way. I don't bad mouth manufacturers, who I likely SHOULD...certainly deserve it for the BS marketing they spew. So, ironically, I speak in generalizations that get interpreted as some sort of fringe weirdness. When they had the party here at Welcome to 79...I got to meet some of the mods...and a peek into what drives them. That party was the beginning of my questioning my unwitting role in that machine.
But, then...it's a grey area WHENEVER a site has paid sponsors. Why has Consumer Reports refused it forever? That's why. You can have the best intentions. But, it's a conflict of interest. You either don't moderate at ALL...in which case, the manufacturers spend their ad money elsewhere...or you try to be "fair" as best your understanding of a situation you likely don't have both sides of...or you just whack threads that are inflammatory because you use an all volunteer moderation team. You can call that an apology for their action, but make no mistake--it's an EXPLANATION only.
I've been over there too long. It's changed. But, the market has changed, too. Too many noobs obsessed with discussing which hook is best for chomping down on.
Re: "LDC mics at the $1k-1800 range"....bullshit, IME. Utter BS. Sexy sounding garbage aimed at people with no experience to compare. Tube LDCs have costed between $4-7k (adjusted for inflation where needed) ALWAYS. I won't pretend to know WHY...but, as a believer in the free market's power to lower price to what it can...that's it. If you don't have that to spend, you're better with other kinds of mics.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 15, 2014 11:25:12 GMT -6
Ironically, my BeesNeez capsule also rocks back and forth, but it's another issue entirely. I had to manufacture my own capsule stem to work with my U47 build. It really sucks, and I need to figure out a way to get is solid. If I move the mic, I get a huge transient spike from the capsule movement.
I just keep telling myself that Klaus said the BeesNeez K7 is better than a Thiersch M7 PVC haha
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2014 11:43:39 GMT -6
Re: "LDC mics at the $1k-1800 range"....bullshit, IME. Utter BS. Sexy sounding garbage aimed at people with no experience to compare. Tube LDCs have costed between $4-7k (adjusted for inflation where needed) ALWAYS. I won't pretend to know WHY...but, as a believer in the free market's power to lower price to what it can...that's it. If you don't have that to spend, you're better with other kinds of mics. I disagree that LDC's in that range are BS. To write off a LDC that cost's less than 1800 as bullshit is bullshit. Which mics in this range have you used? Both the Bees and the CV4 that I had can generate great results. I've had much better luck with those than I have cheaper LDC's or dynamics. I've found the Bees to be about 50/50 use vs. a U87 for vocals and I've gotten bigger room sounds with both the Bees and CV4 than any other mics I've used. Which mics do you recommend if you don't have 4k to spend?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 15, 2014 12:26:52 GMT -6
I had U87 manufactured around 1980. I used it every day for 7 years in hundreds and hundreds of radio spots, tv commercials, voice overs and my song demos. You can say I know it well. I also have a good audio memory. This little sucker fooled my ears a half dozen times and costs $149: www.gauge-usa.com/Gauge_Microphones/Home.htmlIf put up right next to a U87, i'd bet the U87 sounds better, but while you're figuring out your next move, why not get this as a stop gap, and use it sparingly once your main mike is chosen. I've used the gauge on guitars successfully, and like having a mic that accents different frequencies to keep a mix from getting too congested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 14:25:48 GMT -6
at the end of the 2nd page, it looks like beezneez asked a mod who had posted in the thread if the thread should be removed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 15:51:34 GMT -6
He was talking to me and echoed the same request, privately.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 16:40:30 GMT -6
Facebook was created for direct marketing purposes. While I don't like to believe Jules&Co create GS for the purpose, that is now it's sole purpose. The blind being led to the cash register by a combination of blind and knowing plants. I'm allowed to stay there, despite my response to nearly every "what should I buy" with "none of the above", because I provide cover of sorts for that. And because no one who is in the middle of GAS will believe the slippers are on their feet already. I'm no threat that way. I don't bad mouth manufacturers, who I likely SHOULD...certainly deserve it for the BS marketing they spew. So, ironically, I speak in generalizations that get interpreted as some sort of fringe weirdness. When they had the party here at Welcome to 79...I got to meet some of the mods...and a peek into what drives them. That party was the beginning of my questioning my unwitting role in that machine. But, then...it's a grey area WHENEVER a site has paid sponsors. Why has Consumer Reports refused it forever? That's why. You can have the best intentions. But, it's a conflict of interest. You either don't moderate at ALL...in which case, the manufacturers spend their ad money elsewhere...or you try to be "fair" as best your understanding of a situation you likely don't have both sides of...or you just whack threads that are inflammatory because you use an all volunteer moderation team. You can call that an apology for their action, but make no mistake--it's an EXPLANATION only. I've been over there too long. It's changed. But, the market has changed, too. Too many noobs obsessed with discussing which hook is best for chomping down on. Re: "LDC mics at the $1k-1800 range"....bullshit, IME. Utter BS. Sexy sounding garbage aimed at people with no experience to compare. Tube LDCs have costed between $4-7k (adjusted for inflation where needed) ALWAYS. I won't pretend to know WHY...but, as a believer in the free market's power to lower price to what it can...that's it. If you don't have that to spend, you're better with other kinds of mics. Damn, Popmann, you're on fire today! Very good post... BTW - My moderating guidelines lean on the side of none is more. I mean, obviously, I'm not going to let the patients run the asylum, but I'm also not going to censor unless I can prove someone is lying or other nefarious things...For instance, there's a thread here about Aurora Audio products. I posted the truth about my experience - they sound great - when they worked. I was very complimentary and even said that I thought it was an isolated incident and that I hesitated to post in fear of scaring people away from the products. I invited Geoff Tanner to post here. He saw it. He wasn't happy with me. Oh, well...Maybe that would've been the time to come in to the thread and say something like, "Damn John, sorry for all the trouble...You can rest assured that if you decide to buy again, we will take care of any issues you have...blah, blah..." Man - how far would that have gone with people? It wads an OPPORTUNITY. Could have been free positive advertising. Anyway, I won't let anyone moderate here that pimps or manufactures...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2014 16:42:12 GMT -6
View AttachmentI had U87 manufactured around 1980. I used it every day for 7 years in hundreds and hundreds of radio spots, tv commercials, voice overs and my song demos. You can say I know it well. I also have a good audio memory. This little sucker fooled my ears a half dozen times and costs $149: www.gauge-usa.com/Gauge_Microphones/Home.htmlIf put up right next to a U87, i'd bet the U87 sounds better, but while you're figuring out your next move, why not get this as a stop gap, and use it sparingly once your main mike is chosen. I've used the gauge on guitars successfully, and like having a mic that accents different frequencies to keep a mix from getting too congested. Martin - is it mid forward and not bright? That's what I think of when I think of 87i's...
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Post by popmann on Jan 15, 2014 16:57:24 GMT -6
Re: "LDC mics at the $1k-1800 range"....bullshit, IME. Utter BS. Sexy sounding garbage aimed at people with no experience to compare. Tube LDCs have costed between $4-7k (adjusted for inflation where needed) ALWAYS. I won't pretend to know WHY...but, as a believer in the free market's power to lower price to what it can...that's it. If you don't have that to spend, you're better with other kinds of mics. I disagree that LDC's in that range are BS. To write off a LDC that cost's less than 1800 as bullshit is bullshit. Which mics in this range have you used? Both the Bees and the CV4 that I had can generate great results. I've had much better luck with those than I have cheaper LDC's or dynamics. I've found the Bees to be about 50/50 use vs. a U87 for vocals and I've gotten bigger room sounds with both the Bees and CV4 than any other mics I've used. Which mics do you recommend if you don't have 4k to spend? SDCs, Dynamics (+Royer ribbons still less money). All will do a better job on most any given source/application than inexpensive LDCs, IME. There are still some relatively affordable vintage solid state units floating around if you really need an LDC--but, likely the only "need" will be for a specific pattern. It's not "mics" that apparently need to cost that...it's specifically large diaphragm condensers. I won't pretend to know WHY... Talk to me in 5 years about the Miktec and BeesNees. I've used neither. What I've done is seen the exact pattern for 20+ years in engineering. The BIG guys can't do it. The little guys can't do it. That's why there are always new players. New models. Makes it easy to believe that NOW it's been done right. If you got some you love, hold onto them...because that actually IS the business model-cherry pick some good ones, get them into noise making hands for review...then sell the rest of the manufacturing lot based on that word of mouth at HUGE markup. I've been sent mics to review...only to be told I can't keep THAT specific mic, because that's their "review unit"--of course that makes sense, why would they want to sell me the one that's here instead of paying for me to ship it back to them...and them paying to send me ANOTHER unit? There's a diamond in every mine, so to speak.
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