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Post by pope on Mar 5, 2018 4:41:12 GMT -6
Is there any chance we can see a published frequency response graph? or more than one for different settings? I'm just curious. I bet there's a little hump toward the top but not a huge one. I don't think Chandler publish frequency response graphs (or any other important specs for that matter) in any of their products.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 5, 2018 7:55:52 GMT -6
Some people discuss the high end of the Chandler as if it's problem, it isn't. What it isn't, is a U47. The frequency response of the Chandler got me the best acoustic guitar sound I've ever had. My benchmark is Mark Knopfler's "Ragpickers Dream". It's the first time I've been completely satisfied with my acoustic guitar sound, and whatever the Chandler's doing was just what I wanted, a huge, deep full low end that wasn't bloated, and all the nuance of the high end, without the sharp edges.
What I did find out was that compression in mastering can exaggerate the sibilance a bit. The Chandler's not sibilant, but those frequencies are not avoided, like some vintage mics, they're handled. So, it would be nice t have a real mastering engineer work with my tracks. I've been using ARIA happily and successfully, but it can't get the last 10% you need sometimes.
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Post by happychap on Mar 5, 2018 8:19:28 GMT -6
I think it's ok for some of us to not personally LOVE the vocal samples we've heard from the Redd, without someone insisting that we should.
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Post by clumsycongregation on Mar 5, 2018 13:29:27 GMT -6
I think the notion that it’s a “bright” mic is over asserting. So much so that people aren’t paying attention to the mids and lows. The highs are certainly “extended” - and accurate - but the brightness is not the mic - it’s in the source if it’s there.. If the source has bright highs, they will be heard with the REDD. There are parts of the mids and lows that definitely remind me of 47 & 67 tones. On the other hand, the 47 sound which seems to be many people’s fav, is definitely rolled off significantly. So I wouldn’t call any mic a bright mic unless it adds highs. I have used many cheap mics that add highs... undesirable kinds of high frequencies. Not the REDD though. But it s safe to say that the REDD is not a “dark” rolled off sounding mic in the upper frequencies like a U47 is. And if you prefer a rolled off high end, try doing the same with the REDD with an EQ, it will get you into a territory that is very reminiscent of a vintage 47. Each kind of mic has their own uses. The territory I can cover with the REDD is large. It can be easily sculpted in a mix to sound dark and full, or mid forward, or yes, bright depending on how it’s eq’ed. Spot on. I have been rolling off highs, starting around 12K, with the REDD almost 100% of the time. It just sounds better to me that way. With that extended top reigned in the miss and lows become the focus. Good stuff.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 5, 2018 15:45:03 GMT -6
Of course you're completely right happychap. There were some troll-ish posts at another site, so I've been a bit of an advocate, but there's no doubt other great mics might be more suitable for some. There might be some producers who prefer the preamps in their SSL's or Neves, and don't want a preamp in the mic signal, although I think when the Chandler's turned down it works well with other preamps. Also, there's no denying certain vocal sounds we've heard and use as benchmarks were perfect, and if you want that sound, you gotta pay for it.
Where it gets interesting is when you consider the cost of the great vintage mics and then consider the Chandler, it becomes a great option. I would certainly recommend trying one first though.
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Post by m03 on Mar 7, 2018 10:33:16 GMT -6
I posted a link earlier in this thread with the REDD on my sax which is considerably higher SPL than vocals. Handles loud sources like a champ. You can also hear me singing opera in the video I posted in this thread a while back. I’m probably peaking somewhere around 110 db. Thank, those were helpful. Also FWIW, there's a used Redd listed on Guitar Center's website. Drats, looks like the Indianapolis GC sold it before I got a chance to transfer it to my local one to check out. It was a pretty significant discount off of the retail price too. Hopefully whoever picked it up gets a lot of milage out of it.
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Post by aremos on Mar 7, 2018 17:58:31 GMT -6
Spot on. I have been rolling off highs, starting around 12K, with the REDD almost 100% of the time. It just sounds better to me that way. With that extended top reigned in the miss and lows become the focus. Good stuff. There's a nice"air" that's present but very nice & part of the sound of the source. Guess I could understand some source, at some times, being too harsh ... but not sure about cutting it 100% of the time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2018 18:39:12 GMT -6
There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2018 0:54:05 GMT -6
There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh. . An example, wish I had a LDC example, I just can’t think of one right this second, but my Josephson C42’s are bright, but not harsh sounding.
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Post by Ward on Mar 8, 2018 8:44:52 GMT -6
In reference to... There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh. There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh. . An example, wish I had a LDC example, I just can’t think of one right this second, but my Josephson C42’s are bright, but not harsh sounding. Y'all are qualified audio professionals with golden ears, without any doubt... cos I've heard some of your work, and I love it. So, just remember your learnin' and keep in mind "harsh" can be a rise anywhere from 3K to 6K in the presence range, 'bright' is uaually a rise in around the 5-8Khz range. 'Air' is 12Khz and up...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2018 8:52:14 GMT -6
In reference to... There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh. . An example, wish I had a LDC example, I just can’t think of one right this second, but my Josephson C42’s are bright, but not harsh sounding. Y'all are qualified audio professionals with golden ears, without any doubt... cos I've heard some of your work, and I love it. So, just remember your learnin' and keep in mind "harsh" can be a rise anywhere from 3K to 6K in the presence range, 'bright' is uaually a rise in around the 5-8Khz range. 'Air' is 12Khz and up... Ok
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2018 13:28:34 GMT -6
In reference to... There’s a difference in top end and harshness. A mic can be brighter without being harsh. . An example, wish I had a LDC example, I just can’t think of one right this second, but my Josephson C42’s are bright, but not harsh sounding. Y'all are qualified audio professionals with golden ears, without any doubt... cos I've heard some of your work, and I love it. So, just remember your learnin' and keep in mind "harsh" can be a rise anywhere from 3K to 6K in the presence range, 'bright' is uaually a rise in around the 5-8Khz range. 'Air' is 12Khz and up... My C42’s wear Michael Jordan’s! Because they get air!
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2018 13:56:52 GMT -6
Anything Audio Technica that has a dr in front of a number and touted by Guitar Center as being a clean super sounding mic...is a harsh mic! Lol
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2018 14:00:43 GMT -6
Chuck Norris uses C42’s, and I can bet Chuck also uses a pair of Redd47’s as a pair of nunchucks!
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Post by spock on Mar 16, 2018 14:25:59 GMT -6
More REDD Microphone action coming in... This time the artist is Swan Levitt, track is "Parkhurst", produced and recorded by team Boe Weaver. The REDD Mic is on lead vocal, backing vocals (15' away), and all rooms. The track builds at about 1:00 min. and begins to become more dense. The lead vocal chain is REDD Microphone in Normal mode at +20 dB -> Distressor (opto) -> Pultec (+2 dB @ 10 kHz, -2 dB @ 100 Hz) -> Apollo 16.
This is the same mic used for the Rhys Lewis single, albeit different settings and there’s two pop stoppers in front of the mic with the vocalist about 10” off the mic.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/swanlevitt/parkhurst
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 16, 2018 17:36:37 GMT -6
Oh man, the production on that track is amazing, and the vocal is outstanding, tonally, and performance wise.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 18, 2018 9:21:55 GMT -6
Sidebar question: on that Parkhurst track, there are two vocals, the lead and the harmony. They're so in sync, they sound like one vocal sometimes. Do you think it was edited to line up like that and match so perfectly as to merge into one, or was it a performed that way?
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Post by spock on Mar 18, 2018 18:02:20 GMT -6
Sidebar question: on that Parkhurst track, there are two vocals, the lead and the harmony. They're so in sync, they sound like one vocal sometimes. Do you think it was edited to line up like that and match so perfectly as to merge into one, or was it a performed that way? Good question, I’ll ask!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 18, 2018 21:37:11 GMT -6
Please do, I love how that sounded.
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Post by spock on Mar 21, 2018 11:06:19 GMT -6
Sidebar question: on that Parkhurst track, there are two vocals, the lead and the harmony. They're so in sync, they sound like one vocal sometimes. Do you think it was edited to line up like that and match so perfectly as to merge into one, or was it a performed that way? In regards to the Swan Levitt 'Parkhurst' track... The producer & engineer says: "Its all performed...they are brothers and have that closeness that blood brings! They are co-writers so by the time it makes it to the studio they are tight." https%3A//soundcloud.com/swanlevitt/parkhurst
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 21, 2018 13:57:27 GMT -6
Sidebar question: on that Parkhurst track, there are two vocals, the lead and the harmony. They're so in sync, they sound like one vocal sometimes. Do you think it was edited to line up like that and match so perfectly as to merge into one, or was it a performed that way? In regards to the Swan Levitt 'Parkhurst' track... The producer & engineer says: "Its all performed...they are brothers and have that closeness that blood brings! They are co-writers so by the time it makes it to the studio they are tight." https%3A//soundcloud.com/swanlevitt/parkhurstMy siblings and I are like that. Christmas is fun at our house.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2018 14:04:01 GMT -6
Whoa, that's cool, thanks Spock. I know a group of sisters who sing like that, they're inseparable vocally.
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Post by spock on Mar 21, 2018 15:00:10 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2018 15:45:23 GMT -6
Supa cool.
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 23, 2018 12:00:49 GMT -6
Hey there. I'm wanting to know what tubes are used in the redd mic?
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