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Post by m03 on Feb 27, 2018 10:49:44 GMT -6
Anyone have more examples of the Redd handling loud sources/vocals? Looks like MJB's Soundcloud link covering this from earlier in the thread is no longer available.
Also FWIW, there's a used Redd listed on Guitar Center's website.
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Post by drsax on Feb 27, 2018 15:46:04 GMT -6
Anyone have more examples of the Redd handling loud sources/vocals? Looks like MJB's Soundcloud link covering this from earlier in the thread is no longer available. Also FWIW, there's a used Redd listed on Guitar Center's website. I posted a link earlier in this thread with the REDD on my sax which is considerably higher SPL than vocals. Handles loud sources like a champ.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 27, 2018 18:11:20 GMT -6
Anyone have more examples of the Redd handling loud sources/vocals? Looks like MJB's Soundcloud link covering this from earlier in the thread is no longer available. Also FWIW, there's a used Redd listed on Guitar Center's website. You can also hear me singing opera in the video I posted in this thread a while back. I’m probably peaking somewhere around 110 db.
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Post by joseph on Feb 27, 2018 18:58:31 GMT -6
Anyone have more examples of the Redd handling loud sources/vocals? Looks like MJB's Soundcloud link covering this from earlier in the thread is no longer available. Also FWIW, there's a used Redd listed on Guitar Center's website. You can also hear me singing opera in the video I posted in this thread a while back. I’m probably peaking somewhere around 110 db. Your vocal was the most flattering I've heard on the REDD. I think distance and a more open vowel technique and graceful consonants were factors, not to state the obvious.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 27, 2018 19:30:54 GMT -6
You can also hear me singing opera in the video I posted in this thread a while back. I’m probably peaking somewhere around 110 db. Your vocal was the most flattering I've heard on the REDD. I think distance and a more open vowel technique and graceful consonants were factors, not to state the obvious. Thank you! Chandler actually recommends you give the microphone some room. It was designed for that (as were most microphones before the U67, but shhhh. Don’t tell anyone). If I had a better room I may have even pulled back a little further, because I was really only at the recommended distance, but singing loudly.
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Post by iamasound on Feb 28, 2018 2:28:41 GMT -6
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Post by spock on Mar 3, 2018 12:01:48 GMT -6
This came in from Producer/Engineer Bobby Holland... “REDD mic just beat out the U67 that Brian Wilson sang into on Pet Sounds. Double blind shootout on vocal.” Obviously everything is source dependent, however, super-cool nonetheless.
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Post by jamiesego on Mar 4, 2018 1:29:06 GMT -6
I noticed someone comment on that picture on instagram saying the REDD mic was the best attributes of both the U67 and U47 combined. I've also seen people on gearslutz say it sounds like a C800G. I really would love to try it.
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Post by ragan on Mar 4, 2018 1:52:30 GMT -6
I noticed someone comment on that picture on instagram saying the REDD mic was the best attributes of both the U67 and U47 combined. I've also seen people on gearslutz say it sounds like a C800G. I really would love to try it. Man, shot in the dark here but I don't think the REDD mic sounds much like a U47 or a U67. Just from clips, so grain of salt, but if you listen to all the REDD clips that are out there, it's very clearly an airy, quite bright mic (hence the similarity between it and the C800 - there are a couple C800/REDD spliced takes on GS that are hard to distinguish) which is pretty much the opposite of the mid-forward U67 and U47 voicing. I mean, by most accounts its a bright mic that's lovely and smooth, but a bright mic nonetheless, which is kinda the reciprocal of the classic Neumanns. Again, I haven't used it. Just been paying attention to the audio that's been posted of it.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 4, 2018 6:30:28 GMT -6
I had it side by side with Max’s MK67, and the two mics couldn’t be more different. I found it to be much brighter than the 67. Presence is what comes to my mind when describing this mic. It takes the signal and gives it pleasing presence, pulling in the source even from a distance. I think it’s a great choice when you want an upfront, intimate sound. The songs that have been posted so far have been singer/acoustic guitar arrangements and it sounds fantastic. I found it interesting that they decided not to track every vocal on that Vance Joy record with the REDD, but that could have been for a myriad of reasons (likely to have finished some of those songs before they had the REDD mic). Or maybe an artistic choice, as in you don’t always want this upfront and present vocal. I do think the REDD is a brilliant drum mic. Probably always works well on that source.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 4, 2018 6:32:59 GMT -6
So I guess it’s not surprising to hear someone say the REDD beat out a 67. I’m guessing the source was a darker sounding source, and you’d probably reach for a brighter sounding mic, not the darker sounding 67 in that case. Doesn’t make me twinge with regret any less for sending it back, though! Ha!
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Post by drsax on Mar 4, 2018 12:40:22 GMT -6
I think the notion that it’s a “bright” mic is over asserting. So much so that people aren’t paying attention to the mids and lows. The highs are certainly “extended” - and accurate - but the brightness is not the mic - it’s in the source if it’s there.. If the source has bright highs, they will be heard with the REDD. There are parts of the mids and lows that definitely remind me of 47 & 67 tones. On the other hand, the 47 sound which seems to be many people’s fav, is definitely rolled off significantly. So I wouldn’t call any mic a bright mic unless it adds highs. I have used many cheap mics that add highs... undesirable kinds of high frequencies. Not the REDD though. But it s safe to say that the REDD is not a “dark” rolled off sounding mic in the upper frequencies like a U47 is. And if you prefer a rolled off high end, try doing the same with the REDD with an EQ, it will get you into a territory that is very reminiscent of a vintage 47. Each kind of mic has their own uses. The territory I can cover with the REDD is large. It can be easily sculpted in a mix to sound dark and full, or mid forward, or yes, bright depending on how it’s eq’ed.
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Post by happychap on Mar 4, 2018 13:03:11 GMT -6
Seems like it's more about what this mic doesn't do. And from the many vocal clips that I've heard, it doesn't do much smoothing if you know what I mean.
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Post by spock on Mar 4, 2018 14:02:11 GMT -6
I think the notion that it’s a “bright” mic is over asserting. So much so that people aren’t paying attention to the mids and lows. The highs are certainly “extended” - and accurate - but the brightness is not the mic - it’s in the source if it’s there.. If the source has bright highs, they will be heard with the REDD. There are parts of the mids and lows that definitely remind me of 47 & 67 tones. On the other hand, the 47 sound which seems to be many people’s fav, is definitely rolled off significantly. So I wouldn’t call any mic a bright mic unless it adds highs. I have used many cheap mics that add highs... undesirable kinds of high frequencies. Not the REDD though. But it s safe to say that the REDD is not a “dark” rolled off sounding mic in the upper frequencies like a U47 is. And if you prefer a rolled off high end, try doing the same with the REDD with an EQ, it will get you into a territory that is very reminiscent of a vintage 47. Each kind of mic has their own uses. The territory I can cover with the REDD is large. It can be easily sculpted in a mix to sound dark and full, or mid forward, or yes, bright depending on how it’s eq’ed. This! That’s the thing, because of the extension at each end and the ability to take EQ so well, you can almost make it what you want it to be, the power is in the user’s hands.
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Post by drsax on Mar 4, 2018 14:25:05 GMT -6
Seems like it's more about what this mic doesn't do. And from the many vocal clips that I've heard, it doesn't do much smoothing if you know what I mean. It’s one of the smoothest mics I’ve ever used. It just doesn’t roll off the highs.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 4, 2018 14:27:51 GMT -6
Is there any chance we can see a published frequency response graph? or more than one for different settings?
I'm just curious. I bet there's a little hump toward the top but not a huge one.
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Post by drsax on Mar 4, 2018 14:30:14 GMT -6
I think the notion that it’s a “bright” mic is over asserting. So much so that people aren’t paying attention to the mids and lows. The highs are certainly “extended” - and accurate - but the brightness is not the mic - it’s in the source if it’s there.. If the source has bright highs, they will be heard with the REDD. There are parts of the mids and lows that definitely remind me of 47 & 67 tones. On the other hand, the 47 sound which seems to be many people’s fav, is definitely rolled off significantly. So I wouldn’t call any mic a bright mic unless it adds highs. I have used many cheap mics that add highs... undesirable kinds of high frequencies. Not the REDD though. But it s safe to say that the REDD is not a “dark” rolled off sounding mic in the upper frequencies like a U47 is. And if you prefer a rolled off high end, try doing the same with the REDD with an EQ, it will get you into a territory that is very reminiscent of a vintage 47. Each kind of mic has their own uses. The territory I can cover with the REDD is large. It can be easily sculpted in a mix to sound dark and full, or mid forward, or yes, bright depending on how it’s eq’ed. This! That’s the thing, because of the extension at each end and the ability to take EQ so well, you can almost make it what you want it to be, the power is in the user’s hands. Yeah... and I’ll add that not only does it sculpt well, it does so easily and quickly. It doesn’t take tons of time trying to “make it work”. It’s more like clay in the potters hands. It just sculpts effortlessly. So easy to work with and get the sound you are looking for.
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Post by happychap on Mar 4, 2018 16:14:50 GMT -6
All of the vocal examples I've heard are definitely on the bright side of the spectrum. I'd love to hear the smooth/warm side of this mic on vocals.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 4, 2018 16:18:46 GMT -6
Seems like it's more about what this mic doesn't do. And from the many vocal clips that I've heard, it doesn't do much smoothing if you know what I mean. It’s one of the smoothest mics I’ve ever used. It just doesn’t roll off the highs. ^This^
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 4, 2018 16:22:45 GMT -6
All of the vocal examples I've heard are definitely on the bright side of the spectrum. I'd love to hear the smooth/warm side of this mic on vocals. I think ”open” is a more accurate description. I thought my vocals on it were pretty warm. Albeit I went with a FLeA 49 which had a more rolled top end, there is a mid thickness on the mic I thought you could hear well next to the U87ai in my video.
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Post by happychap on Mar 4, 2018 16:25:17 GMT -6
I preferred the U87 on your vocal samples.
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Post by happychap on Mar 4, 2018 16:27:31 GMT -6
And I guess by 'smooth' I mean forgiving, relaxed- like a good u47. Although I suppose it's more about the right mic for the voice in question, because that Vance Joy track is stunning.
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Post by aremos on Mar 4, 2018 18:20:55 GMT -6
Seems like it's more about what this mic doesn't do. And from the many vocal clips that I've heard, it doesn't do much smoothing if you know what I mean. Don't know what you mean. We might be playing with "subjective semantics". Don't like a mic that DOES something like "boxing" out or adding "nasality" to the voice as a U87 does. A C800G (as well as the REDD) will bring out the full range in a well balanced & full sound!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 4, 2018 21:56:45 GMT -6
If I had to describe the REDD, I would say it's the only mic I've tried that was as big as the 67, but in terms of sound, it's more like a mix of a U47 and C12. Still, these are only references, it has it's own distinct sound.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 5, 2018 0:56:36 GMT -6
I have been searching for a mic to fill a gap in my locker, and I have yet to demo the Redd47 mic, but from what I’ve heard from the community, it will be very interesting once I’m ready to demo this mic.
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