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Post by jeromemason on Mar 18, 2017 12:23:07 GMT -6
Jerome - thanks that helps! <thumbsup> Yes our setups are run in a similar fashion it sounds like - although with different pieces. Obviously. My vp28's put out a little pinch up around 3k or so, but that's their sound - at least the vintage (early) ones I have with standard transformers and GAR's.. I'd use these most likely on individual sources. I think my 2Bus is covered. At least it is 90% of the time. I appreciate your taking the time to answer. BTW, how are Jeff's 2503's wired in?? - wire color wise - for those of us who are thinking about Jeff's Litz transformers. Thanks for that. It's the missing puzzle piece. BTW, I'm also interested in your thoughts on the LTL opamps. The pads on the PCB's for the EQ's are already setup to take the 2503. So, if you go with the 2503L you use the color matching chart Jeff has on his site and solder respectively. Also, the Litz version of the 2503 is my favorite, but, I also have the early version's of the VP28's, the black board versions and I have standard 2503's on them as well. What I got from Jeff was the difference was somewhat minimal, but there was a difference in how they effect the lowend saturation, at least that's what I remember, as always I could be wrong, he'd know best. The 2503L's sound terrific though in the EQP5. I've heard plenty of non tube pultecs and these are scary similar, and for $250 and some change? No brainer.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 18, 2017 12:28:58 GMT -6
jeromemason - Thanks for the op amp order! I'll try to get these in the mail today so that you'll get them by the end of next. Would love to hear your thoughts on how they fare in the DIYRE Pultec. Brad Thanks Brad. I haven't gotten anything back from Peterson yet on modding these to be a mid pultec, but my plan is to build another pair and hopefully use your opamp in a mid version. I'll also put them in my current ones and do a clip for the folks here.
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Post by BradM on Mar 18, 2017 15:26:04 GMT -6
jeromemason - Thanks for the op amp order! I'll try to get these in the mail today so that you'll get them by the end of next. Would love to hear your thoughts on how they fare in the DIYRE Pultec. Brad Thanks Brad. I haven't gotten anything back from Peterson yet on modding these to be a mid pultec, but my plan is to build another pair and hopefully use your opamp in a mid version. I'll also put them in my current ones and do a clip for the folks here. Cool. That sounds like a fun project! They are in the mail, so you should have them later this week. Brad
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Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2017 14:35:25 GMT -6
Very cool. I'm looking closely at these. My pal chinesewhiteman built a few also and he loves them. Seems like a no-brainer.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2017 15:17:03 GMT -6
Guitar is your friend using them on the 2 bus or where ?
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Post by mulmany on Mar 21, 2017 15:38:51 GMT -6
How do these compare to the Analog Allstars version? They are DOA and transformer output.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2017 15:41:54 GMT -6
Guitar is your friend using them on the 2 bus or where ? He's just started using them on this and that, just built them. I guess that's probably where a lot of people are since these just came out. Seems to me like this fill the void of something like the Eisen LilPeqr or whatever that thing was called a few years ago. Looks a lot like a pultec without the mid band to me. Hmmm.
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 21, 2017 20:01:53 GMT -6
I plan to record both when I finish it (totally didn't happen this weekend)
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 24, 2017 8:00:09 GMT -6
So, I just read that Joel from Rascal Audio had a hand in designing these. Interesting.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 25, 2017 13:01:46 GMT -6
So, I just read that Joel from Rascal Audio had a hand in designing these. Interesting. They are extremely impressive Adam. You really would be floored.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 25, 2017 19:09:43 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Mar 25, 2017 21:41:33 GMT -6
This is the comparison between the SL1731 and BradM Rogue 5 Jerome Hey Cool!! Thanks Jerome. Nice shootout. Nice tune. They are very close IMO. I could use either and would probably adjust accordingly while EQ-ing and get similar results, but the 1731 seemed pinched to me i the upper mids, and a bit bigger on the bottom. For me, that left the mix feeling a bit congested feeling with the 1731's. Could be awesome on an individual track though - especially on the drum buss. Bottom end aside, I'd have chosen the Rogue 5's as the ones I liked best. To me they are more open, more relaxed, and I just felt they were a tad more 3d. (I'm reaching to try and describe the minute differences that I'm hearing - they are close.) I think the differences in bottom end could easily be made up with changing the EQ settings with Rogue 5's installed. When I build a pair, I'll take a note from your playbook and use the Litz 2503's - with Rogue 5's. Thanks for doing the test. I hadn't heard the SL1731's yet. I'm super familiar with the Rogue 5's though, and maybe that's why I like em better. Thanks again. bp
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2017 4:53:58 GMT -6
Ya prefer the rogue here too, would like to here the blue as well, like on acoustic guitar.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 26, 2017 14:09:19 GMT -6
I heard that pretty much exactly the same as drbill. I prefer the relaxed sound of the Rogue 5 in this example.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 26, 2017 19:50:05 GMT -6
Just as a note, I put the scope on these to find out how the IC's are acting when the DOA circuit is engaged. What I believe is that IC1 is being used to unbalance the input, IC2 is your makeup gain. What I've done is put an OPA1642 in that spot and I've left BradM 's Rogue 5 in there. I just feel that for these EQ's that opamp compliments the circuit the best. I'd highly advise swapping out the IC1 for a newer generation opamp like the OPA16XX series, it makes a massive difference. Hopefully this helps anyone decided how to customize their EQ's, for me, on the mix buss this was the best configuration I have come to. I do plan on trying out the OPA1602's and OPA1612's as well, and of course I will update and give my opinions there as well. As a side note, this circuit can do some really amazing stuff just running on the IC circuit. If you do decide to only go IC, again and I can't say this enough, put some newer generation opamps in there, it's the biggest difference maker thus far. The DOA section does really give you a nice punch and silkier top, but the IC circuit is plenty good enough to get started with. And don't forget, get jsteiger 's 2503L's!!!! They sound incredible in this EQ. -Jerome
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Post by BradM on Mar 28, 2017 15:31:32 GMT -6
jeromemason, I was just talking to Peterson and he said that IC1 is the input receiver and IC2 is the output driver. IC2 is only in the circuit if the vintage output option isn't installed. In that case it's DOA driving the transformer just like a real solid state Pultec. So in your case IC1 is the only thing making a difference. Brad
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 29, 2017 17:27:41 GMT -6
jeromemason , I was just talking to Peterson and he said that IC1 is the input receiver and IC2 is the output driver. IC2 is only in the circuit if the vintage output option isn't installed. In that case it's DOA driving the transformer just like a real solid state Pultec. So in your case IC1 is the only thing making a difference. Brad Thanks Brad, I'd gotten an email from Peterson on that already, but like I'd said when I scoped it out I quickly learned that IC1 is used as a receiver to unbalance. I had originally thought that for some reason IC2 was still in the circuit, but that they may had been using it as a buffer by dropping it's gain into the DOA section, but, that's not the case. IC2 is completely decoupled from the circuit when the jumper is placed into FE mode. Still though, by IC1 using an opamp to unbalance the signal, it's pretty important to put something in there that is more modern and better IMO. I've ordered some OPA1642's, 1612's and 1602's to see which I like the best. Those are my favorite IC opamps so far. I did order some SOIC to PDIP PCB's to make things tidy instead of using an IC socket, just not very reliable, but can work in a pinch. Jerome
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Post by Tommy Harron on Mar 30, 2017 8:48:32 GMT -6
jeromemason Do you find yourself using the EQP5 only for stereo material, or have you tried them out on singular instruments as well?
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 30, 2017 9:26:17 GMT -6
jeromemason Do you find yourself using the EQP5 only for stereo material, or have you tried them out on singular instruments as well? I haven't actually, and that's really only because I currently just own a pair of them. I've considered doing some more, but I'm really leaning toward trying to experiment with the Colour Palette/modules for busses and individual tracks. I still think there is a massive void in taking that product to another level and I'm doing some talking with designers to come up with ideas to take the Colour idea to another level. But, back to the EQ. 99.9% of what I mix is cut here in Nashville, very rarely do I get sessions from anywhere else. The guys here almost use a preset in how the track every instrument or vocal. There is a sound that everyone is aiming to get when they're cutting and it's great because it's so pure that extremely little corrective EQ is needed. The great thing about these EQ's is that the top-end is very sweet, you can add it for days and it just keeps enhancing and helping rather than correcting. What I love about them is the punch in the low-end. The Kush EQ had a way of using the low cut and low boost to create something similar, but these do it in a much simpler and musical way. I like them set to pretty broad, and also a good way for helping them to maximize your punch is to HPF ITB before you hit them, then you can make it instrument/vocal specific and the filters do the most work for you. For me to trust them on my mix buss is something I wasn't really expecting.... But, somehow, they've created an EQ that is super simple in design and have chosen not to put a ton of extra components in the signal path, and that really is what makes these EQ's stay pure in tone. Just as an example of how I would use these for lets say female vox. I would roll off up to around 150hz before I hit the eq, then I would use the eq to add weight, punch and sheen. Then I'd knock the hell out of it with a comp/limiter and call it a day. That's as simple as you can get and it's going to stay pure. Long answer, but I answer questions when someone ask's. Jerome
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Post by rowmat on Mar 30, 2017 10:15:11 GMT -6
How hard would it be to modify these to provide a high shelving EQ option rather than bell? Switchable maybe?
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Post by Tommy Harron on Mar 30, 2017 10:20:12 GMT -6
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Post by petersongoodwyn on Mar 30, 2017 11:40:54 GMT -6
Hi all, thanks for the very kind words about the EQP5! I can say without pride that I'm thrilled with how it came out, because the sonics are all Joel's work (and Pulse Tech's back in the day, to be fair). And as DIY'er I'm really excited to see folks like Joel modifying our design and making it their own.
I will pass this question along to Joel and see if he can chime in.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 30, 2017 14:58:50 GMT -6
I'm looking at these pretty hard right now. Also DIY Rec also just announced an optical limiter for the 500 series and are taking user feedback while they finish up the design.
I just got a Lindell PEX-500, just one, so I am using it on tracks and it sounds fantastic! It has a few more options than the DIYREC PEQ5 in terms of frequencies. I find it very useful and very toneful. It has transformers on input and output, along with a 2520 style op amp. I find it leaves plugins well behind.
This stuff is getting me excited. I've always loved ITB Pultec plugins, but the hardware is just much more gratifying. Also at these price points, it's hard to argue too much.
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Post by terryrocks on Apr 17, 2017 23:18:12 GMT -6
Just ordered a pair. Looking forward to hearing them.
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Post by hoborec on Apr 18, 2017 17:01:08 GMT -6
Not that I think any one here need to watch this, but maybe some one wants to any ways
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Post by Guitar on Apr 18, 2017 17:53:14 GMT -6
Not that I think any one here need to watch this, but maybe some one wants to any ways Hey hoborec, welcome to RGO! That was a great video, I wonder how many hours went into soldering plus video editing :-D I think this will help a lot of people. Very minor critique: light grey caps are probably polystyrene, not mica, small trim pot is potentiometer, possibly wired as variable resistor. Looking forward to the next video. Please do post it here!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 19:15:26 GMT -6
Not that I think any one here need to watch this, but maybe some one wants to any ways Kickass, dude! Nicely done.
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Post by hoborec on Apr 24, 2017 10:30:11 GMT -6
Hey hoborec , welcome to RGO! That was a great video, I wonder how many hours went into soldering plus video editing :-D I think this will help a lot of people. Very minor critique: light grey caps are probably polystyrene, not mica, small trim pot is potentiometer, possibly wired as variable resistor. Looking forward to the next video. Please do post it here! Hey thanks! The video editing took longer than the soldering hehe. Yeah, I thought it was weird with the polystyrene caps. I've built stuff with these before, but it said Mica Cap in the component guide from DIYRE so I just read that from there. And about the trimpot/variable resistor, thanks I actually didn't know this. I thought it was always the same thing. It says VR on the PCB so possibly wired that way I guess.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 24, 2017 10:50:28 GMT -6
Hey hoborec , welcome to RGO! That was a great video, I wonder how many hours went into soldering plus video editing :-D I think this will help a lot of people. Very minor critique: light grey caps are probably polystyrene, not mica, small trim pot is potentiometer, possibly wired as variable resistor. Looking forward to the next video. Please do post it here! Hey thanks! The video editing took longer than the soldering hehe. Yeah, I thought it was weird with the polystyrene caps. I've built stuff with these before, but it said Mica Cap in the component guide from DIYRE so I just read that from there. And about the trimpot/variable resistor, thanks I actually didn't know this. I thought it was always the same thing. It says VR on the PCB so possibly wired that way I guess. Interesting. I have literally never seen a mica cap that looks like that, who knows. Yeah I would assume VR on the pcb means what you said also.
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Post by indiehouse on May 10, 2017 15:02:14 GMT -6
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