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Post by gouge on Dec 19, 2016 4:30:52 GMT -6
i'd like to experiment a bit with snare mics and try something new. thought maybe try a tube sdc. not the hugely expensive neumann variety but something that could have a run on snare. something if it gets hit it doesn't matter.
any thoughts on options.
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Post by stratboy on Dec 19, 2016 6:04:34 GMT -6
Chameleon TS-2 is a tube SDC I'm familiar with. Nice mic. Not too expensive. Not sure how it would do on snare, but if a drummer whacked it, your heart wouldn't be completely broken. Maybe try the side of the snare technique.
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Post by Ward on Dec 19, 2016 6:19:16 GMT -6
I can't think of any application, in a close mic situation, where I would need to use a tube SDC on a snare drum. I routinely use an AKG C460/ring adapter/CK1 capsule on snare parallel to a T-Funk M80 or SM57 but that's as far as I would go. PLUS, the old C460 is as tough as nails.
How much detail are you looking for?
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Post by gouge on Dec 19, 2016 6:25:45 GMT -6
Not so much detail more for the body.
I've got an atm450 and ksm137 I use for condensers but have often wanted to try a tube mic as a lot of my favourite albums used an altec tube mix.
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Post by gouge on Dec 19, 2016 6:27:34 GMT -6
Chameleon TS-2 is a tube SDC I'm familiar with. Nice mic. Not too expensive. Not sure how it would do on snare, but if a drummer whacked it, your heart wouldn't be completely broken. Maybe try the side of the snare technique. I was thinking the Chinese oem version. Was also hoping I might find something shorter.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 19, 2016 9:59:04 GMT -6
I've been demoing a Josephson e22s on a few stringed instruments, though it was designed for drum applications. It's supposedly the 'be all, end all' snare mic. I haven't tried it there yet, but it's definitely a killer mic, and crazy versatile.
Not tube, but tons of body with that mic.
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Post by joseph on Dec 19, 2016 10:38:39 GMT -6
I've been demoing a Josephson e22s on a few stringed instruments, though it was designed for drum applications. It's supposedly the 'be all, end all' snare mic. I haven't tried it there yet, but it's definitely a killer mic, and crazy versatile. Not tube, but tons of body with that mic. Yeah, they have more body than a KM84 and are practically indestructible. I use the 2 I have on everything. They sound real good on amps.
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Post by gouge on Dec 19, 2016 16:04:44 GMT -6
You guys nailed the link between the altec and Josephson.
The e22 is the dream. One day it will be mine. In Australia they are currently over 2k a piece.
I'm looking for an alternative for now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 19, 2016 16:53:17 GMT -6
I think Soyuz is coming out with a tube sdc
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 19, 2016 17:08:27 GMT -6
I Demo'd the soyuz the other day... they're nice and pretty sounding mics, but pretty bright overall, and not a ton of bottom. I'll post some samples when I'm done testing mics.
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Post by gouge on Dec 19, 2016 19:35:15 GMT -6
Have you tried a sennheiser ae2300.... The marketting speil sounds ok.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 19, 2016 21:36:38 GMT -6
Have you tried a sennheiser ae2300.... The marketting speil sounds ok. Haven't tried one--- assuming you mean the audio technica mic.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 19, 2016 22:05:28 GMT -6
I Demo'd the soyuz the other day... they're nice and pretty sounding mics, but pretty bright overall, and not a ton of bottom. I'll post some samples when I'm done testing mics. Interesting, I had a pair of the Soyuz SDC's for a week. I usually borrow a pair of KM-84's from a friend when doing serious tracking, and I'm very familiar with them. I would describe the Soyuz 0-11's as anything but bright. They essentially sound like a slightly warmer KM-84. Same detail, same presence, just a little more pleasing harmonically. If you handed me both, and said pick one to keep, I swear I'd take the Soyuz. The 0-11 is a tube SDC. I believe they're coming out with a non tube version of this that will be less expensive. The 0-11 is around $1,100, $1900 the pair. I had the Soyuz LDC 0-17 tube mic at my place for a week, and then got to compare it later to the 0-19, non tube version. They are very close, and the 0-19 is 2G's, and the 0-17 is $3,500. So the new Soyuz SDC without a tube may be a very serious alternative to the expensive 0-11 or the KM-84. I'm looking forward to hearing one.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 19, 2016 23:00:07 GMT -6
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Post by mdmitch2 on Dec 19, 2016 23:23:09 GMT -6
I Demo'd the soyuz the other day... they're nice and pretty sounding mics, but pretty bright overall, and not a ton of bottom. I'll post some samples when I'm done testing mics. Interesting, I had a pair of the Soyuz SDC's for a week. I usually borrow a pair of KM-84's from a friend when doing serious tracking, and I'm very familiar with them. I would describe the Soyuz 0-11's as anything but bright. They essentially sound like a slightly warmer KM-84. Same detail, same presence, just a little more pleasing harmonically. If you handed me both, and said pick one to keep, I swear I'd take the Soyuz. The 0-11 is a tube SDC. I believe they're coming out with a non tube version of this that will be less expensive. The 0-11 is around $1,100, $1900 the pair. I had the Soyuz LDC 0-17 tube mic at my place for a week, and then got to compare it later to the 0-19, non tube version. They are very close, and the 0-19 is 2G's, and the 0-17 is $3,500. So the new Soyuz SDC without a tube may be a very serious alternative to the expensive 0-11 or the KM-84. I'm looking forward to hearing one I was comparing it to some fairly flat/neutral mics like DPA/Schoeps, so relative to that the 0-11 seemed brighter. Not in a bad way, but it had a lift up top compared to some of the others, in a way that would probably flatter most sources. I'll post samples in another thread maybe tomorrow. I did hear the 0-19 fet also, and it's a really great sounding mic.... very smooth top. Was perfect for the female vocals we tried it on.
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Post by gouge on Dec 20, 2016 4:35:15 GMT -6
damn that oktava adds up fast and disappointing spl limit.
there is also the lomo 8a-3 and 8a-5. has anyone tried them?
Mojave ma-100 as well.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 20, 2016 8:48:50 GMT -6
Did you find an SPL on the tube Oktava? I only see 130dB on the standard model, without pad.
Haven't heard those Lomo, or heard of them. A quick glance says they are SS?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2016 12:32:39 GMT -6
I wouldn't spend over $1300 on one considering you can get a badass Km84 for that price.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 20, 2016 12:42:10 GMT -6
We have a Neumann KM54 and an AKG C60. Not sure if I'd want to put either on snare though. A KM84 sounds great on snare but it still makes me nervous for fear of getting whacked.
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Post by joseph on Dec 20, 2016 13:00:36 GMT -6
We have a Neumann KM54 and an AKG C60. Not sure if I'd want to put either on snare though. A KM84 sounds great on snare but it still makes me nervous for fear of getting whacked. Yeah I rarely use KM84s on snare for this reason. e22s is machined brass though, so much more rugged.
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Post by gouge on Dec 20, 2016 15:02:05 GMT -6
Did you find an SPL on the tube Oktava? I only see 130dB on the standard model, without pad. Haven't heard those Lomo, or heard of them. A quick glance says they are SS? Recordinghacks has it at 120db. I didn't realise the lomo was ss. Thought it was tube only because of the tethered box.
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Post by gouge on Dec 20, 2016 15:17:40 GMT -6
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Post by gouge on Dec 20, 2016 15:25:30 GMT -6
I'm a little surprised the ma100 works on snare. I've got both stock and km84 style modified mk012 and they can't handle high spl without pads or carefull placement.
The ma100 is listed as 120db on recordinghacks site.
What's peoples thoughts on spl for a snare. Mainly rock and punk.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 20, 2016 22:42:05 GMT -6
We have a Neumann KM54 and an AKG C60. Not sure if I'd want to put either on snare though. A KM84 sounds great on snare but it still makes me nervous for fear of getting whacked. I can't imagine putting an 84 on snare. If I need something sensitive like that I'll put up a newer 451. Has anybody seen the Jeff Porcaro instructional video where is has 4 or 5 toms - each mic'ed with a 251 ??
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Post by rowmat on Dec 20, 2016 23:14:07 GMT -6
We have a Neumann KM54 and an AKG C60. Not sure if I'd want to put either on snare though. A KM84 sounds great on snare but it still makes me nervous for fear of getting whacked. I can't imagine putting an 84 on snare. If I need something sensitive like that I'll put up a newer 451. Has anybody seen the Jeff Porcaro instructional video where is has 4 or 5 toms - each mic'ed with a 251 ?? Alan Parson's used a KM84 on Nick Mason's snare on DSOTM. Although Parson's discusses using a U87 on Mason's snare during a recent video that was mimicking the DSOTM drum recording setup all previous references were to the KM84 so it appears Parson's had a bit of a 'brain fart' when mentioning which snare mic he used. Also Tony Platt used a KM86 (similar) on the snare during the recording of AC/DC's 'Back in Black'. Now that's one hell of a snare drum sound although it was recorded at Compass Point Studios in the Bahamas which (IMO) has produced some of the best recorded drum and percussion sounds I've heard.
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