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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 9, 2016 18:38:36 GMT -6
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 9, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -6
Boo... never went down that road, Cubase user and nothing here makes me want to change at this point...
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 9, 2016 19:37:57 GMT -6
Boo... never went down that road, Cubase user and nothing here makes me want to change at this point... Starting to wish I had not
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 9, 2016 19:46:13 GMT -6
Isn't this good? We have updates already paid from the subscription. Keep improving things. Give me some value for my dollar.
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 9, 2016 19:48:41 GMT -6
Isn't this good? We have updates already paid from the subscription. Keep improving things. Give me some value for my dollar. Well yes But , didn't see much new except for free samples not much else .
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 9, 2016 19:50:47 GMT -6
trust me I would like to be "totally compatible" with the rest of the industry but I have zero issues with Cubase...
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2016 19:50:50 GMT -6
I think the spin on 12.7 is just to get peeps to renew their subscriptions, I doubt it will be released before the end of this year: its just another avid come on
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 9, 2016 22:29:40 GMT -6
What's new?
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Post by wiz on Dec 9, 2016 22:34:24 GMT -6
Not much....what's new with you? .... oh wait 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by subspace on Dec 10, 2016 9:46:02 GMT -6
I was on PT 9 last December and decided to go ahead and buy the PT 10/11/12 educational update for $99. That was a good deal, surrendered my original PT M-powered license and my PT 9 upgrade remained separately functional on an iLok 1.
Spent the whole year running Yosemite with PT 12.4 and my update plan expired a week ago. I created a new partition and loaded Sierra on it with PT 12.6.1 to make sure I had the last version before expiration, it seems like a solid OS/PT combination.
Since I got three new versions, last year's December update was a no brainer. This year? PT 12.4 > PT 12.6 doesn't exactly wow me. If PT 13 looks interesting I'll consider another $99 educational update for that spare PT 9 license, but so far as an incremental update "subscription" I think my money would be better spent on a jam-of-the-month club.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 10, 2016 13:03:57 GMT -6
I really don't understand why anybody would switch DAWs!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 10, 2016 13:07:38 GMT -6
I have all three major daws
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Post by popmann on Dec 10, 2016 17:31:42 GMT -6
I really don't understand why anybody would switch DAWs! While this doesn't change the sentiment, it does explain the one you're seeing en masse (ie jumping Avid ship): People switch because they bought a DAW and didn't actually WANT (need?) a DAW. It's why Avid is tripping over their own feet to try to hold onto audience by literally recoding from the ground up to be a more integrated music creation environment. MCE. Let's use that. They're now literally 20 years behind the big boys they dropped their hardware audio handling at the same time they decided to beef up the VI hosting and MIDI. They're playing catch up at a commendable speed....but, it will be YEARS before "the app that formerly ran Protools hardware systems" can compete with Logic and Cubase. Hell--the very continued use of stuff like Reason and Ableton and such point out--musician mind and engineer mind are not the same. I see those and thing "WTF do I do with....THAT?" But I thought that when someone demo'd VisionPro for me in the day. #oldguyref I've witnessed it for years when I see a musician who bought a hardware DAW (Roland/Akai/Yamaha-etc) moves to software--they LOVE it....why? In most cases it sounds fairly inferior-certainly aspects do. They didn't have a software MIDI sequencer with disk streaming samplers and model based VIs, etc....it took me a while to recognize that--because I always had that....TOO....it was a secondary thing. I turned that Cubase/VSL/BFD machine on for maybe 5-10% of an entire production's time....but, it wouldn't occur to me to do without.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 10, 2016 19:39:57 GMT -6
So a dot update for a loopmasters loop pack and ........ SoundBase- we have workspace browser, plus drag and drop, scrub etc, why do we need SoundBase? Hope I can find some use for the " new features "
We have session file backups and save as for organization and going back to previous parts of the mix, tracking, production, or mastering. Also save copy in, if going from one facility to another to ensure compatibility...
Why is this a dot update? Don't see any bug fixes listed, I guess I will go search for those to what's improved.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 10, 2016 19:49:49 GMT -6
So a dot update for a loopmasters loop pack and ........ SoundBase- we have workspace browser, plus drag and drop, scrub etc, why do we need SoundBase? Hope I can find some use for the " new features " We have session file backups and save as for organization and going back to previous parts of the mix, tracking, production, or mastering. Also save copy in, if going from one facility to another to ensure compatibility... Why is this a dot update? Don't see any bug fixes listed, I guess I will go search for those to what's improved. This is exactly what a dot update should be. A couple minor tweaks. It's not like we just got PT13 with only minor changes.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 11, 2016 13:39:24 GMT -6
Pro Tools has never been the most popular DAW for music unless you are talking about working with a full-on recording console or needing compatibility with studios using recording consoles. "Everybody" was "jumping ship" for Reaper a couple years ago. Now it's Studio One. Cubase remains king of the MIDI hill.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 12, 2016 11:55:53 GMT -6
Cubase remains king of the MIDI hill. Are you sure about that? I know more Logic Pro X users than Cubase users.
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Post by kilroyrock on Dec 12, 2016 12:04:08 GMT -6
Cubase remains king of the MIDI hill. Are you sure about that? I know more Logic Pro X users than Cubase users. Professionally, sure. But Cubase has been packaged with all sorts of entry level prosumer devices for years. Plus majority of all pc's are still windows. By a lllaaarrggeee margin.
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Post by kilroyrock on Dec 12, 2016 12:06:09 GMT -6
"Hey Bill, did you guys put the period on that one error message I told you about? No? Alright, put it on, that should make for another big release number..."
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 12, 2016 12:13:41 GMT -6
Are you sure about that? I know more Logic Pro X users than Cubase users. Professionally, sure. But Cubase has been packaged with all sorts of entry level prosumer devices for years. Plus majority of all pc's are still windows. By a lllaaarrggeee margin. gotcha. most of the folks I know are all mac users, and Logic is really cheap and mac only. $200!!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 12, 2016 15:15:13 GMT -6
I've never known anybody who wanted to learn a new OS or DAW.
Many of us middle class types in the U.S started out on Macs in order to use Performer. Lots of people still use it in dread of taking on what might be a comparable learning curve elsewhere. Logic was/is the king of virtual instruments. That made it worth learning especially at the new price. Cubase has always been king on the PC side both outside the U.S. and among people who couldn't afford a mac. A light version came with their sound card and they upgraded with zero interest in learning something else.
Pro Tools was the first DAW under $30,000 that could lock to picture and to a multitrack recorder. It quickly took over post production and ended up being acquired by Avid because they accounted for more than half of Digidesign's income. Auto-Tune put a Pro Tools rig in every large music studio control room replacing the Eventide Harmonizer. As the cost of storage declined during the '90s, people began recording whole sessions in Pro Tools simply because it was there and they knew how to use it. In my case, I got into it doing post production in the San Francisco area.
I don't see anything replacing PT for its core users short of a revolutionary new time-saving product. A cheaper version of Pro Tools is a non-starter. If you want to get a job as an employee, you need to know it. The self-employed can and do use anything they choose.
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Post by subspace on Dec 13, 2016 19:59:16 GMT -6
I was on PT 9 last December and decided to go ahead and buy the PT 10/11/12 educational update for $99. That was a good deal, surrendered my original PT M-powered license and my PT 9 upgrade remained separately functional on an iLok 1. Spent the whole year running Yosemite with PT 12.4 and my update plan expired a week ago. I created a new partition and loaded Sierra on it with PT 12.6.1 to make sure I had the last version before expiration, it seems like a solid OS/PT combination. Since I got three new versions, last year's December update was a no brainer. This year? PT 12.4 > PT 12.6 doesn't exactly wow me. If PT 13 looks interesting I'll consider another $99 educational update for that spare PT 9 license, but so far as an incremental update "subscription" I think my money would be better spent on a jam-of-the-month club. Ha ha! Tried to open a project that had Avid Space on it, expired plug-in license warning! I've had a Space license on that iLok since 2007, now the expired update plan has hosed it. Gee, what a good deal I got...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 14, 2016 10:59:43 GMT -6
They changed the license on Space but you can still download ones that work with the old license.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 14, 2016 12:23:11 GMT -6
I'm so locked into Pro Tools at this point, I cant really see a need to switch. The editing works great for me when I need it, and I'm so quick with it at this point that I cant imagine taking steps backwards in order to learn a different program.
In all honestly, I use it mostly just as a tape machine. Track large projects, Edit at home if I need to, mix large format or Hybrid at home if the budget calls for it.
The biggest PITA I have found is when I get people that send me files that they did in another DAW, and have never sent files to somebody with PT and mess everything up on their end. That is user error though, has nothing to do with the DAW.
In the rare case that I need to do demo midi drums, Superior Drummer gets the job done just fine - and even with PT's supposedly crap midi editing, I don't have any problems with it as I'm just used to it at this point.
At this point in time, its possible to make a record on any of them. I don't believe there are any programs holding anybody back.
The best thing out of my years of using PT so far has been Clip Gain. Other than that - I don't get much use out of all the updates, and would rather just stay where I'm at so I don't have to worry about compatibility issues, Especially at work where I have 3 rooms to upkeep and have them all running smoothly between one another.
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Post by ericn on Dec 14, 2016 12:58:40 GMT -6
All I'm going to say is 2 words
RADAR LOVE.
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