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Post by wiz on Dec 3, 2016 23:21:44 GMT -6
So I was trying out some of the new toys, on a new song. Firstly, about the song. I saw it was the anniversary of George Harrisons death the other day.. so I wrote a song, from Pauls perspective, talking to his old friend.. Which is why it sounds so heavily like another song... its intentional....you know, without getting sued..I even reference it lyrically... Okay, so I used the SA4000 on the mix buss, 2:1, attack 30ms release Auto, doing 2-3dB of GR..I think I hear the odd pump, its the end of a gigging weekend so clear ears tomorrow will tell me. I also used the REPEATER delay on this mix, to try and get the vibe right for the period the song is trying to reflect. I used the SOOTHE plug in a touch on the lead vocal, which also has the free SOUNDTOYS MICRO SHIFT which i just grabbed. I also put SOOTHE on the backing vocals. I am using VCC 2 set to RC Tube and I used VTM like a mix down deck... Like I said, end of gigging weekend so it might blow chunks... Here is the link Cloud Nine
cheers Wiz
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 3, 2016 23:45:08 GMT -6
Had a quick listen off the iPhone earbuds. Nice more up tempo song. Feel the ld vox could be more full, it's like they are HPF higher than usual, or maybe you are singing in a higher pitch/ key. Maybe the Soothe is smoothing out some of the resonances that bring the added character to your voice? All I got for now, bout to fire up my sa4000 for the first time 😬
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 10:53:12 GMT -6
Nice work again, Wiz. Obviously all subjective but imo this is the best and clearest your vox have sounded. Bus comp playing really nicely too. And is that a real sitar??
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Post by swurveman on Dec 4, 2016 10:57:06 GMT -6
Can anybody recommend a media player that plays aif files? MY WMP won't play them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 11:11:05 GMT -6
I keep copy of Reaper on my laptop, but microsoft windows media player says it plays them ( is that different to WMP?) or apple quick time.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 4, 2016 11:21:12 GMT -6
I keep copy of Reaper on my laptop, but microsoft windows media player says it plays them ( is that different to WMP?) or apple quick time. Thanks. windows media player doesn't play them. I'll check out quicktime
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 4, 2016 12:25:37 GMT -6
WMP and VLC media player both crash. Foobar seems OK. QT has some huge security issues and Apple no longer supports it even on macs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 13:12:09 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, sounds really good here as you told us you are using the stam this could now be subjective but it seemed to me overall the sound was present with a nice focus and tight bottom and light punch ( right for the mix) but also didn't sound constrained or limited. I thought maybe the vocal and mid to hi end of the mix could use a little more definition but it was certainly smooth in a very good way, so I guess that comes down to taste not a criticism. Very keen to try the stam out here now too on the 2 bus Very nice tune btw and really loved the chorus and slide melody/phrasing very nicely performed: I love George's slide work, some of his most melodic soloing, almost the only slide I actually like
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2016 13:55:33 GMT -6
Nice work again, Wiz. Obviously all subjective but imo this is the best and clearest your vox have sounded. Bus comp playing really nicely too. And is that a real sitar?? Thanks @snowflake The Sitar... is actually a line 6 variax. I have hat it sitting around literally for years.... I bought it second hand... maybe 10 years ago. Its kinda flaky in that it randomly changes sounds.. so I have never used it.... I was doing the song and remembered it had a sitar sound on it.. so I grabbed it.. it played up top ropes whilst I was trying to cut the part... But, see WIFE! it did get used... LOL 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2016 13:57:30 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, sounds really good here as you told us you are using the stam this could now be subjective but it seemed to me overall the sound was present with a nice focus and tight bottom and light punch ( right for the mix) but also didn't sound constrained or limited. I thought maybe the vocal and mid to hi end of the mix could use a little more definition but it was certainly smooth in a very good way, so I guess that comes down to taste not a criticism. Very keen to try the stam out here now too on the 2 bus Very nice tune btw and really loved the chorus and slide melody/phrasing very nicely performed: I love George's slide work, some of his most melodic soloing, almost the only slide I actually like Hey kcatthedog I went round and round wondering if I should hifi up the top end... and decided to keep it... err.. "dull-er" to try and have the asetchic of the song match the sonics... maybe I should have gone for a more hi fi type dealy.... ah well... that will be up to Bob Olhsson 8) he does all the fancy work anyways LOL. I just write and record.. he makes it sound like a record cheers Wiz
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Post by donr on Dec 4, 2016 14:07:28 GMT -6
Wiz, maybe the Soothe took a little too much of the edge off your voice.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 14:08:00 GMT -6
I thought the sound quality was fine, it would just be if you wanted the vocal etched out a little more in the mix. I am not certain how they did it at abbey road but I often find the beatles' vocals have the electric quality to them, sorry for lack of a better word, there is just something about the sound quality and dynamic ?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 4, 2016 14:17:32 GMT -6
The metal windscreens on the U48s could be part of the Beatles as could just the figure-8 pattern.
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2016 14:29:20 GMT -6
Wiz, maybe the Soothe took a little too much of the edge off your voice. Hey donrmaybe, I will run off another mix without it and see. cheers Wiz
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:33:45 GMT -6
@catthedog said, "I thought the sound quality was fine, it would just be if you wanted the vocal etched out a little more in the mix. I am not certain how they did it at abbey road but I often find the beatles' vocals have the electric quality to them, sorry for lack of a better word, there is just something about the sound quality and dynamic ? "
Maybe completely off target, but I sometimes wonder if accents actually make a difference. Thinking also about Beatles, Cilla, Merseybeats etc. The "scouse" accent is quite hard and clipped where as other parts accents are softer?
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2016 14:49:06 GMT -6
Well, it may just be me having a heavy hand with new toys... 8) I just ran off two mixes.... These are same as original mix.. but.. One mix has Smoothe removed off the vocal. Next mix has Smoothe and the De Esser (Eosis) removed off the vocal. I hear the life come back with the De Esser gone... Too heavy handed, my fault. Interesting and humbling audio aint it? LOL cheers Wiz No Smoothe Mix
No Smoothe No De Esser Mix
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2016 14:50:50 GMT -6
Wiz, maybe the Soothe took a little too much of the edge off your voice. I think it might be a case of me being too heavy handed with new toys..... 8) I posted two mixes, one without smoothe and one without smoothe and the de esser I was using... I think the main problem was I was ham fisted with the de esser... cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 15:09:13 GMT -6
@catthedog said, "I thought the sound quality was fine, it would just be if you wanted the vocal etched out a little more in the mix. I am not certain how they did it at abbey road but I often find the beatles' vocals have the electric quality to them, sorry for lack of a better word, there is just something about the sound quality and dynamic ? " Maybe completely off target, but I sometimes wonder if accents actually make a difference. Thinking also about Beatles, Cilla, Merseybeats etc. The "scouse" accent is quite hard and clipped where as other parts accents are softer? Interesting point but no I wasn't talking about they way they enunciated , I was talking about the actual sound quality in some of the mixes. I hear a similarity on Brian Adams sometimes so maybe it 67's or 87's I am experiencing ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 15:13:58 GMT -6
Hey wiz, to me those are both better, the no smoothie no dessie (2) seems to have a little more body ( which I like) than the just no smothie (1) , so depends which sound you prefer ? if you are sending to Bob I'd go with the last as he could always finesse body out but a little harder to add in ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2016 15:48:35 GMT -6
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Post by levon on Dec 5, 2016 3:56:18 GMT -6
Nice one, wiz. I actually like the 'no soothe' version better, that bit of roughness suits your voice better. The vocals seem more immediate and upfront with a better edge.
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Post by M57 on Dec 5, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -6
Wiz, maybe the Soothe took a little too much of the edge off your voice. I think it might be a case of me being too heavy handed with new toys..... 8) I posted two mixes, one without smoothe and one without smoothe and the de esser I was using... I think the main problem was I was ham fisted with the de esser... cheer Wiz I was going to post a soothe and no-soothe version of a tune I am finishing up, but my recording and mixing skills are not nearly as good as yours wiz. I feel like it's easy to over-do things with soothe. Unlike your recordings, where I hear little if anything in the way of room resonances, I'm using soothe to take care of some nasty spikes - and on many channels because I tend to use a lot of acoustic instruments. I'm treating the snot out of my room, but it's not enough (yet). I'll be putting up more panels over the next few weeks, but no doubt, soothe will find its place on most every acoustic instrument I track in the room. It's just incredible how well it works, and though I'm not hearing 'artifacts' I am sensing that overuse can squeeze some life out of things. If donr's words ring true for you, then they do for me 5x over. In your case, I feel like your recordings are so good that you really don't have as much a need for it, but if you do, it might be right for you to re-balance things with another plug somewhere down the line. Anyway, my next step is to look into plugs like Slate's Revival to inject some life back into the tracks.
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Post by Ward on Dec 5, 2016 10:12:39 GMT -6
I like how it's all glued together nicely. So whatever gets the credit for that, awesome.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 5, 2016 11:53:11 GMT -6
no soothe no de ess mix for me all the way, those are the wiz vox I know lol. please god no desser people unless it's izotope that has attack and release times otherwise you are putting a frequency specific limiter on your vox with no parameter control aside from threshold and/ or range.
Mc DSP has one Izotope has one And FF pro DS doesn't but works well
I hear slight saturation in eioisis from the records i have heard it used on.
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Post by wiz on Dec 5, 2016 18:06:08 GMT -6
Nice one, wiz. I actually like the 'no soothe' version better, that bit of roughness suits your voice better. The vocals seem more immediate and upfront with a better edge. I agree... 8) thanks bud cheers Wiz
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