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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 6, 2016 21:52:45 GMT -6
Christian is at proaudiotubes.com
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Post by stratboy on Dec 7, 2016 5:22:29 GMT -6
How do we contact Christian? Proaudiotubes@aol.com Thanks, jcoutu1 and kcatthedog.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 8, 2016 19:44:20 GMT -6
Great article. The closest I have here is the Peluso 2247 SE which is a really good mic, especially with a better tube, and a couple of fancy caps thrown in for good measure. I can't think of any other mic that sounds "BIG" in the same way that the U47 and its better clones do. Even the FET 47 is really cool. I am glad it got reissued by Neumann.
I also agree that the UA 610 is a funky beast. I sold mine several years ago, and haven't really had a big desire to ever get it back.
The UA Solo 110 was the slightly more special one to me. They also sold them in 4 and 8 channel racks. That's a rare thing that's out there some people are lucky to have.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 20:17:54 GMT -6
A tube upgrade from christian can help the 610 mkii, Matt at dizengoff has a pcb upgrade for it and Brain Fox does a mod of it, if your partner wants to spend a little dough ? bowie
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 8, 2016 20:20:57 GMT -6
He joined up a few days ago
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2016 20:24:15 GMT -6
ya I know ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) a huge asset !!
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Post by ericn on Dec 8, 2016 21:13:35 GMT -6
He joined up a few days ago Great to hear we are getting a great tube resource in our little corner.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2016 21:32:30 GMT -6
Also a great builder, modder and diy guy and a collector of nice acoustics: what's not to like ? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 8, 2016 21:32:33 GMT -6
The black spade resembles the U47 in many ways but the high end skews to the Hillary. And the Soyuz does the same in a 67 way. Just my thoughts! Agreed with the highs. I'm guessing it's the Redline, because it sounds nothing like my UM17B's with Bluelines. I did request M49B fixed-bias circuits for my builds though (standard spec is M49C self-bias). Cost me an extra €900 for the PSU upgrades, at around €4500 for the pair. Never found self-bias to have the same low-end meat or clarity as fixed, so can imagine that making quite a difference. During that round of mic buying, ended up snagging a Flea 47 Next too ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . There was some story about what tubes they were using a while back. If ever, mine came with an RFT EF12... Always surprised by people who don't open up their gear when they get them, like in that thread.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 9, 2016 9:37:19 GMT -6
In my testing, the method of biasing the tube does indeed make a significant difference in the sound. Like you said. Depending on what you're going for of course, there are classic versions of either scheme. C12 (fixed bias to the grid) vs ELAM 251 (cathode bias) is a classic example, although there's more differences in those mics besides the biasing.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2016 9:42:29 GMT -6
I chose the Redline over the Blueline in my Blackspade. I've had both. It was a matter of matching to my vocal sound, not a statement of one being better than the other. I had to sell it because I was out of work for four months this summer.
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Post by Quint on Dec 15, 2016 21:54:45 GMT -6
I finally just got around to reading the linked article. Upon reading that, a reader would be left to believe that there is not much point in even trying to find a "proper" U-47 at this point. Age, unobtanium parts/manufacturing capabilities, etc., would seem to make a search for a holy grail U-47 pointless. Not that I could afford one anyway, but, at this point, I suppose that I would say, who cares?
IF you could find one and IF you could afford one and IF it's pristine as possible and IF it's running through all the same equipment used on those legendary recordings (not likely in this day and age), it apparently is still more or less impossible to get THAT sound out of one in 2016. So why bother?
I can think of a LOT of other equipment I could buy with $10,000. Not to mention that a U- 47 (or clone) might not even be the right choice for your particular voice or someone you're recording.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 16, 2016 8:23:08 GMT -6
Vintage King did a pretty cool short video of some clones. These are all mostly expensive, too, but I was really interested in the differences especially in the top end. I don't think the U47 is necessarily a dark sounding microphone, which for some reason I sort of used to.
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2016 8:39:38 GMT -6
I use my U47 for females all the time.. Never had an issue with it actually.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 16, 2016 9:31:21 GMT -6
I dunno - I think both are important. In recent years I've come to eschew much of the more "modern" approach (think techniques promoted from, say, 1980 onwards) in favor of more "classic" technique and IMO weith modern gear it only gets you maybe halfway, give or take. I'd say it's more a synergy of gear and technique.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 16, 2016 9:41:50 GMT -6
Yes exactly, they can't have had his knowledge, experience nor contacts. I believe Terry Manning had some involvement with Ollie's company and may still have. I believe they collaborated on the Lucas mic. I was fortunate to meet Ollie and discuss mics with him at some of the last AES conventions held in SF. An incredible treasure trove of mic information and an unbelievably great loss to the community. Wish I had corresponded with him outside the conventions but you don't miss the water till the well runs dry.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 16, 2016 10:07:40 GMT -6
One thing about diy 47's, is that if you switch up the tubes, you can really tailor the sound: I have 4 different sets.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 16, 2016 10:21:37 GMT -6
One thing about diy 47's, is that if you switch up the tubes, you can really tailor the sound: I have 4 different sets. I have found the same to be true in my Peluso 2247 SE. Also that tube is so cheap and common, it's easy to experiment a bit. I settled on the RCA "Red Meanie"
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 16, 2016 12:49:47 GMT -6
One thing about diy 47's, is that if you switch up the tubes, you can really tailor the sound: I have 4 different sets. I have found the same to be true in my Peluso 2247 SE. Also that tube is so cheap and common, it's easy to experiment a bit. I settled on the RCA "Red Meanie" I may need to track down and check out the RCA "Red Meanie" in my P 2247SE. Sounds cool.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 17, 2016 15:16:58 GMT -6
I have found the same to be true in my Peluso 2247 SE. Also that tube is so cheap and common, it's easy to experiment a bit. I settled on the RCA "Red Meanie" I may need to track down and check out the RCA "Red Meanie" in my P 2247SE. Sounds cool. It really smoothed out all the irregularities in the top end for me. Just a smooth, pleasant sounding mic at this point. I would still like to attempt a DIY U47 eventually to see if I could do "even better." That Vintage King shootout really showed me the subtle, yet obvious differences of this classic design. To my ear, the Flea and the Wunder sounded so, so good. All sorts of clarity and detail. The Bock and T-Funk sounded good for a darker, thicker sound, which is not exactly what I would be chasing after. If you email them, they will send the .WAV files, it's a good listen. On a really vocal-centric intimate sounding album, I just imagine having this mic selection that paints with the voice in full detail, technicolor or something. I think some of the best U47s out there would be perfect for that. In a busy, loud mix I think it would be easier to get away with the 95% I'm used to getting. Especially with the vocal blended into the arrangement a little more.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 17, 2016 15:31:49 GMT -6
Very happy with my Iaudio (Max's) mk-u47 diy build, have thiersch blue cap and ericsson nos tubes, the gold tipped rca have a special presence too.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 17, 2016 21:04:19 GMT -6
I may need to track down and check out the RCA "Red Meanie" in my P 2247SE. Sounds cool. It really smoothed out all the irregularities in the top end for me. Just a smooth, pleasant sounding mic at this point. I would still like to attempt a DIY U47 eventually to see if I could do "even better." That Vintage King shootout really showed me the subtle, yet obvious differences of this classic design. To my ear, the Flea and the Wunder sounded so, so good. All sorts of clarity and detail. The Bock and T-Funk sounded good for a darker, thicker sound, which is not exactly what I would be chasing after. If you email them, they will send the .WAV files, it's a good listen. On a really vocal-centric intimate sounding album, I just imagine having this mic selection that paints with the voice in full detail, technicolor or something. I think some of the best U47s out there would be perfect for that. In a busy, loud mix I think it would be easier to get away with the 95% I'm used to getting. Especially with the vocal blended into the arrangement a little more. Yeah, I loved the Flea. It stood out to me a lot. A friend of mine is picking one up soon. Looking forward to trying it.
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