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Post by LesC on Dec 8, 2013 1:07:38 GMT -6
I use Complete. The ($199 version does not have the HD settings, and THAT'S where the goodies are). I use RHall HD as my main verb, and people just love it. Also, be careful on the demo time, discontinue it and uninstall a day before, otherwise you may have iLok issues. I demo's the "Lite", then bought the "Complete" BEFORE my demo ran out, but was not told to uninstall the demo. On the day the demo expired, I as shut out of my sessions completely. ILok should simply disable the plug, not lock you out of your own property, (sessions), as if you're a code breaker, cracking their plugs. It took me 2-3 days to figure out what happened and resolve the issue. It was well worth the hassle though. Thank you Martin, I'll give it a try. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 2:29:05 GMT -6
check out EWQL Spaces when you get a chance.
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Post by henge on Dec 8, 2013 7:43:16 GMT -6
Vocals, get ReLab. Need a room sound for classical acoustic instruments, consider Phoenix. You haven't heard anything quite like the ReLab, it sort of pressurizes the room, you feel the walls. I dunno!!LOL I gotta part ways with Martin on this. I love the exponential verbs on vox and solos and the LX480/VVV for the rest of the track. It usually woks out that way. The exponentials seem to sit nicely o top of the LX480. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 8, 2013 11:18:39 GMT -6
Never heard them together, so I can't speak to that. They're both superb quality. No one I know has felt the need for other verbs after getting the ReLab. I use UAD's EMT 140 often for acoustic instruments alongside the ReLab. The 140's not real sounding, but it's so vibey, it really has a place in my productions.
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Post by henge on Dec 9, 2013 12:06:21 GMT -6
Yeah it's great to finally have such excellent reverbs itb. One could get the job done with any number of recent products but it's great to be able to blend reverb textures if need be.
Today I'm using VVV on drums ( 300 Small ambiance ) and R2 on vocals. Might slap a mono R2 just on the snare later on if need be. 4 or 5 years ago I don't think we had this type of quality. I think the PCM Native which was released in 2009/2010 was the beginning of high quality itb reverb. Or was there verbs of this quality itb prior to 2010?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2013 14:27:53 GMT -6
You're right about there being an abundance of good reverbs available. I remember when it was pretty much a Lexicon or a Yamaha. I did a project with a 16 yr. old guitar student over the summer. Since he'd just gotten Logic X, and being a student, has little money for anything else, we did some recording with only Logic software, as an exercise. The verbs on the guitars sounded like a frickin' Coldplay record, seriously. So, it's a subtle and personal taste thing, and I liked the ReLab so much that aI passed on a special offer, $133 UAD Lexicon 224XL plug for the ReLab at $400. I just couldnt go back once I'd heard it
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Post by henge on Dec 9, 2013 15:35:37 GMT -6
You're right about there being an abundance of good reverbs available. I remember when it was pretty much a Lexicon or a Yamaha. I did a project with a 16 yr. old guitar student over the summer. Since he'd just gotten Logic X, and being a student, has little money for anything else, we did some recording with only Logic software, as an exercise. The verbs on the guitars sounded like a frickin' Coldplay record, seriously. So, it's a subtle and personal taste thing, and I liked the ReLab so much that aI passed on a special offer, $133 UAD Lexicon 224XL plug for the ReLab at $400. I just couldnt go back once I'd heard it Do you have VVV? Supposedly it has a great 224/224xl vibe and 6 more algos are on the way. I say supposedly because I've never heard a real 224. I use VVV on everything. It also a nice complimentary flavour to the LX480. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2013 18:09:42 GMT -6
I listened to VVV a while back, and it was great fun, so inexpensive, with lots of great choices and color, but a little dark. The thing is, if you want a 224XL, no one gets it better than UAD. I'd used the PCM 60, PCM 70 and the 224XL a zillion times, so I was quite familiar with it, and all of Lexicon's verbs at that time.
I just found the ReLab 480 XL much more interesting. The reverb that came with the Apollo, I forget, Dream verb or Real verb, sounded clean and fine. The verb that came with Logic sounded fine. So I really didn't need the VVV, since I was getting the ReLab.
If I couldn't afford anything else, the VVV is fantastic, and will do the job well. I was lucky enough to be able to pick my favorites at the time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2013 22:16:23 GMT -6
Been using the Lexicon PCM verbs more lately...The Chambers are awesome on vox...
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Post by popmann on Dec 23, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -6
Someone needs to remake the "vocal magic" preset from the PCM91. Mine sits on it like an embarrassing amount of the time.
When I tried to copy it based on parameters I can see in the unit and trying to map function/names to the PCM Native, I failed--thus it still eats 2x2 IO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 5:58:12 GMT -6
Hi popmann,
did you try using a convolution reverb with self-made IRs to catch the sound in different settings exactly like you want it to be?
I know using other peoples IRs often is disappointing...
Maybe even the nebula engine would be a good match, using dynamic convolution to give a better remake exactly to your liking?
Or do you think it is not worth the hassle because it has to be the feel of the original algorithms in usage?
BR,
Martin
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Post by popmann on Dec 24, 2013 9:14:04 GMT -6
I did try some IRs that were supposedly made from it. I've never tried to make my own.
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Post by Ward on Dec 24, 2013 9:23:27 GMT -6
Well, I definitely have to try this ReLab stuff! Even though I like the Truverb and Realverb plugz, most DAW reverbs sound very wanting to me... I think the stack of outboard units I used in the 80s and 90s sounded better for the most part.
Is anyone doing a Lexi960 plug? What about the promised integration of the Lexi PCM96? And, there ws one other thought.... dammit, brian, do your job! Oh yes, what about the SSL duende Oxford reverb plugin?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 24, 2013 10:17:17 GMT -6
Ward, just demo the ReLab and get back to us ;-)
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Post by henge on Dec 24, 2013 10:54:00 GMT -6
Been using the Lexicon PCM verbs more lately...The Chambers are awesome on vox... I should give these guys another try now that the price isn't so freakin stupid. Which verbs were you using before? |
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Post by henge on Dec 24, 2013 10:56:11 GMT -6
Well, I definitely have to try this ReLab stuff! Even though I like the Truverb and Realverb plugz, most DAW reverbs sound very wanting to me... I think the stack of outboard units I used in the 80s and 90s sounded better for the most part. Is anyone doing a Lexi960 plug? What about the promised integration of the Lexi PCM96? And, there ws one other thought.... dammit, brian, do your job! Oh yes, what about the SSL duende Oxford reverb plugin? Since Michael Carnes left Lexicon it doesn't seem like there's any movement on the Lex verbs although I could be totally wrong on that!LOL |
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Post by lolo on Dec 24, 2013 11:12:12 GMT -6
Dont think i'll ever need another Reverb plugin again.
Think I have all bases covered with the exponential audio verbs, VVV and Valhalla Room.
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Post by henge on Dec 25, 2013 11:05:01 GMT -6
Dont think i'll ever need another Reverb plugin again. Think I have all bases covered with the exponential audio verbs, VVV and Valhalla Room. Yup! Especially with Sean adding new algos in the next version of VVV. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2013 12:56:11 GMT -6
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Post by henge on Dec 29, 2013 17:54:41 GMT -6
To quote Sean
"Dirty Hall, Dirty Plate = 224XL influenced. Not exact by any stretch of the imagination, but I really tried to dial in that vibe. Don Gunn was running the boards when I was working with the 224XL, and he helped my identify the bass "bloom" that happens in the decay of the 224XL, which has very little to do with the algorithm in its generic form, and more to do with the algorithm in its specific, fixed point, 1982 convertors form. TONS of nonlinear fixed point cruft going on in there. Noisy, brash, dark. I love these.
Smooth Room, Smooth Plate, Smooth Random = still old skool Lexicon-ish, but doing some things that were never done by Lexicon back in the day, like shaping the tap amplitude for a much smoother decay. Fixed point cruft, but for some reason, it makes these algorithms sound smoother than the "clean" equivalents. The Smooth algorithms are, dare I say it, fairly clear and transparent, with lots of presence when Attack is set to a low value. I wouldn't have expected these results when I was coding these algorithms up.
Nonlin = original nonlinear algorithm. Probably closest to PCM70 Nonlin algorithm, but not really that close. I'm enjoying setting up virtual "room mikes" with this algorithm, using the very short decay lengths. "
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2013 18:09:35 GMT -6
Nice...any ETA?
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Post by henge on Dec 30, 2013 7:38:00 GMT -6
If your on Mac the Beta has started and by all accounts the new algos are winners. Windows beta should be soon, that's what I'm waiting for. Also a new algo in ValhallaRoom!! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 30, 2013 8:38:21 GMT -6
Betas are AAX64 on Mac too. Great news.
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Post by WKG on Dec 30, 2013 22:48:55 GMT -6
I grabbed the Exponential R2, Phoenix bundle and am really liking both. Phoenix is just great.
It'll be nice when Valhalla gets over to Windows AAX64.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 30, 2013 23:26:25 GMT -6
Great to have you here, WKG! |
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