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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 10:51:58 GMT -6
I use a very short mono reverb on vocals, it's barely there. I find find that it clouds everything up when I use reverb.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 5, 2013 14:25:49 GMT -6
But are they beautiful clouds or rain clouds ;-)
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Post by henge on Dec 5, 2013 14:55:50 GMT -6
I use a very short mono reverb on vocals, it's barely there. I find find that it clouds everything up when I use reverb. Have you ever tried the very short ambience from VVV dialed in just behind stereo guitars? Makes them wider and a tad deeper, not wetter... |
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Post by Ward on Dec 5, 2013 16:02:33 GMT -6
You can get an awful lot of good and usable sounds with the RealVerb and Truverb plugin reverbs. I don't really care what the bit rate is, as long as it sounds good.
One question about that Lexicon virtual verbs. do they sound as springy and tinny as the real thing? Nothing can cheapen up the sound of the mix like a Lexicon. They can sound great, but they're prone to sounding downright awful without major tweaking. at least in my exeriences.
Can't wait for a Bricasti of my own!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 17:38:15 GMT -6
Speaking of bit rates of delays...
Nowadays, reverb developers try to model the sound of the 16bit converters of their old machines. Weird, huh? But there seems to be a demand for it...
When i heard the first Lexicon that a singer brought into the rehearsal room (it was an LXP), i was like "what the heck is this cheap delay?", he said "It's a Lexicon!" and i said "And why do people like that stuff so much???" Hahaha.
But well, they did some great things, also some great experimental stuff (vortex e.g.), but the better stuff i found always pretty *expensive*...
I have no real preference, i like the sound of the TCs and of course the Quantec stuff, I even like my old Sony DPS V55m for some more "effect" like reverbs sometimes, but nowadays i think there are quite a few more really good sounding reverbs/plugins on the market to choose from than back in the days of hardware units...and that really is a good thing...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 5, 2013 18:29:12 GMT -6
RealVerb and True Verb sound just fine. Most Lexicon emulations are missing something. The ReLab's different, because although they modeled the XL480, they took a further ste and added High Res presets that are so smokin', it doesn't even seem like a Lexicon anymore, it's just the ReLab.
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Post by henge on Dec 6, 2013 10:34:18 GMT -6
RealVerb and True Verb sound just fine. Most Lexicon emulations are missing something. The ReLab's different, because although they modeled the XL480, they took a further ste and added High Res presets that are so smokin', it doesn't even seem like a Lexicon anymore, it's just the ReLab. Never thought about it like that. Totally agree. Just slapped it on some 12 string like guitar parts and it is gorgeous. Large Wood Room. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2013 10:39:02 GMT -6
Just used a Lexicon PCM Chamber on a vocal and it was better than anything else I tried...VVV, EMT250, 224, Altiverb...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2013 10:39:51 GMT -6
RealVerb and True Verb sound just fine. Most Lexicon emulations are missing something. The ReLab's different, because although they modeled the XL480, they took a further ste and added High Res presets that are so smokin', it doesn't even seem like a Lexicon anymore, it's just the ReLab. Might give it a shot... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 12:59:52 GMT -6
I use a very short mono reverb on vocals, it's barely there. I find find that it clouds everything up when I use reverb. Have you ever tried the very short ambience from VVV dialed in just behind stereo guitars? Makes them wider and a tad deeper, not wetter... Is VVV Valhalla? I literally SUCK at using reverb. I use an impulse on my mono room and and the little bit of mono plate on the vocal. I can't get an upfront sound with something that seems to push things back. I hear tons of really good work that has that pushed back but forward thing. I wish I could do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 13:00:22 GMT -6
LOL I'm redeemed from Gearslutz now at 500 posts. JK you're hilarious.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 6, 2013 13:09:05 GMT -6
LOL I'm redeemed from Gearslutz now at 500 posts. JK you're hilarious. That's pretty funny. |
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Post by henge on Dec 6, 2013 13:16:12 GMT -6
LOL I'm redeemed from Gearslutz now at 500 posts. JK you're hilarious. LOL! Yeah VVV is ValhallaVintageVerb. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:29:51 GMT -6
I haven't tried Valhalla because truth be told I have the Sonnox Verb, Renverb and I feel like it's an ability thing. I'm gonna mix Wreck's track and maybe I'll use some there and try EQing the verb.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 6, 2013 16:42:53 GMT -6
JK< the ReLab is a game changer. Your work just jumps up to a level you didn't think you could get, literally at the click of a button. Ask Cowboy, he knows..
Henge, it's stunning, isn't it? Trust me guys, none of you suck at reverb, the reverb sucks. It's so subtle, even when you're listening closely, the reverb seems fine, but when you pop the ReLab on, it's like going from 2D to 3 D, you hear what you've been missing all along
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Post by unit7 on Dec 6, 2013 16:47:16 GMT -6
LOL I'm redeemed from Gearslutz now at 500 posts. JK you're hilarious.  edit: Johnkenn I want 'Gandhi wannabe'!.. |
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Post by unit7 on Dec 6, 2013 16:52:48 GMT -6
Just used a Lexicon PCM Chamber on a vocal and it was better than anything else I tried...VVV, EMT250, 224, Altiverb... I bought the PCM bundle the other day (for $299!). Totally agree. Used it (instead of Bricasti...) on two small projects now. Small Hall and Vintage plate on a big band thing. Awesome! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 6, 2013 18:19:32 GMT -6
How do people like Overloud Breverb2? It looks like IK CSR, Breverb2, and Exponential are the real players for AAX64.
No support for Valhalla, Lexicon, or Relab yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 18:48:10 GMT -6
Well,
i did not work much with it until now, but the algorithms sound good to me. I cannot compare to other plugs really, but my impression is, it behaves kind of lexicon verbs, but it is not a clone, different sound. But i am able to do some pretty subtle and some huge, opulent reverbs with it, have to check it out for longer to give a better picture.
I got it free with Sonar, so i thought by myself "Well, don't expect too much..." - but i must say i am pretty impressed so far. But whatever the GUI might get you think, it sounds definitely not like a lexicon, so of you are after that, it may not be for you.
Some people from Overloud come from IK multimedia....well, Overloud did a good job on this one in my opinion, and i would rate it higher than the IK CSR.
For Plate algo, i still prefer the UAD1 plate, it sounds better to my ears. But the other algos sound really good to me, eighties style. It has a kind of trashy/icky? (german: kitschig) touch to it. Would not use it on heavy metal though... ;-(
So i would demo it before buying. you may love or hate it. I am more on the love side...
Best regards,
Martin
PS: I used the Lexicon Pantheon for a while, that some people reported to me it sounds similar to the pcm plugs, but i did not get warm with it....maybe i should reinstall it again and compare...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 7, 2013 7:53:40 GMT -6
I think I'm going to download exponential this weekend and give it a demo. Looks like a lot of people are digging it and the price is right with the sale. It seems to be cutting edge right now and supports PT11 and even Mavericks already. The clean verb and modulated verb should both have a space in my arsenal too.
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Post by LesC on Dec 7, 2013 10:19:51 GMT -6
JK< the ReLab is a game changer. Your work just jumps up to a level you didn't think you could get, literally at the click of a button. Ask Cowboy, he knows.. Henge, it's stunning, isn't it? Trust me guys, none of you suck at reverb, the reverb sucks. It's so subtle, even when you're listening closely, the reverb seems fine, but when you pop the ReLab on, it's like going from 2D to 3 D, you hear what you've been missing all along I'd like to give Relab a try. Do you use the LX480 R Hall ($199) or the LX480 Complete ($399)? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 7, 2013 11:45:53 GMT -6
I use Complete. The ($199 version does not have the HD settings, and THAT'S where the goodies are). I use RHall HD as my main verb, and people just love it. Also, be careful on the demo time, discontinue it and uninstall a day before, otherwise you may have iLok issues. I demo's the "Lite", then bought the "Complete" BEFORE my demo ran out, but was not told to uninstall the demo. On the day the demo expired, I as shut out of my sessions completely. ILok should simply disable the plug, not lock you out of your own property, (sessions), as if you're a code breaker, cracking their plugs. It took me 2-3 days to figure out what happened and resolve the issue.
It was well worth the hassle though.
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Post by henge on Dec 7, 2013 15:38:11 GMT -6
I think I'm going to download exponential this weekend and give it a demo. Looks like a lot of people are digging it and the price is right with the sale. It seems to be cutting edge right now and supports PT11 and even Mavericks already. The clean verb and modulated verb should both have a space in my arsenal too. I think you'll like the Exponential verbs. R2 has that enveloping quality that lets everything just sit right. Tons of excellent presets with nice variations ( warm,light,wide etc.) that barely need tweaking. I've never heard another reverb that sounds like PhoenixVerb. Crystal clear. But take it away from the source and the source shrinks into 2d ness. |
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Post by lolo on Dec 7, 2013 22:26:55 GMT -6
Cant decide if I need to grab Phoenix and R2, or just the Relab LX480. Mainly Vocal duties.
Demoing the exponential audio stuff and it excellent. Esp R2
Demo'd the Relab some time ago and it was also a beast.
Also using valhalla room,VVV. Happy with them. This is covering other bases.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 7, 2013 22:42:31 GMT -6
Vocals, get ReLab. Need a room sound for classical acoustic instruments, consider Phoenix. You haven't heard anything quite like the ReLab, it sort of pressurizes the room, you feel the walls.
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