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Post by ragan on Nov 22, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -6
Clearly, you guys aren't all too familiar with the T-Funk M80 series of microphones. That's ok, please consider my findings, having been an owner since they first came on the market. M80 - direct replacement for any 57 or 58. CLARITY. Holy Crap!! Unbelievable. Could be thought of as a hand-held U67 with a presence lift. Amazing on snare. Clears up all nasal honkiness on vocals for any singer. Just magnificent. M81. As above, without the presence lift. M82. You have to hear this thing to believe it. The built in EQ is perfect for kick drum and voice-over alike. It can take a REAL pounding and still come out smiling. I own these, I use these, I would only by more of them in time... they have become essential to me. How does this conflict with anything else said here? They could be all the great things that you've said and also be inexpensively made. Would t be the first time Tfunk was caught with insane markups of an OEM mic. I'm curious to hear what you find, svart.
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Post by Ward on Nov 22, 2016 12:29:45 GMT -6
ragan, are you saying that the T-Funk M80 series is Chinese made?
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 22, 2016 12:41:24 GMT -6
No-one's trying to shame Telefunken either; the insides of the mics will be different with that transformer. But if everything else is the same, then you could buy a really nice dynamic mic transformer, and get the same quality as the M80 for 50-60% less... Guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks. Attachments:
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Post by ericn on Nov 22, 2016 13:23:25 GMT -6
ragan, are you saying that the T-Funk M80 series is Chinese made? Ward, you know they are most likely using an OEM for the Dynamics. The investment in manufacturing for a dynamic line would be a huge investment, & in the past they have used Chinese OEM's. It's not bad almost everybody uses one to some extent!
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Post by ragan on Nov 22, 2016 13:40:10 GMT -6
ragan, are you saying that the T-Funk M80 series is Chinese made? I have no specific knowledge but it seems very likely. What was the mic they were selling for like $1200 that turned out to be an Apex 460/Alctron HST-11A? AK-47? Can't remember.
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Post by svart on Nov 22, 2016 13:42:23 GMT -6
ragan , are you saying that the T-Funk M80 series is Chinese made? I have no specific knowledge but it seems very likely. What was the mic they were selling for like $1200 that turned out to be an Apex 460/Alctron HST-11A? AK-47? Can't remember. I linked to it earlier in this thread, but here it is again: recordinghacks.com/articles/telefunken-m16-and-apex-460-comparison/
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Post by Ward on Nov 22, 2016 14:21:26 GMT -6
ragan, are you saying that the T-Funk M80 series is Chinese made? Ward, you know they are most likely using an OEM for the Dynamics. The investment in manufacturing for a dynamic line would be a huge investment, & in the past they have used Chinese OEM's. It's not bad almost everybody uses one to some extent! All these allusions are killing my illusions and delusions.
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Post by ericn on Nov 22, 2016 14:44:44 GMT -6
Ward, you know they are most likely using an OEM for the Dynamics. The investment in manufacturing for a dynamic line would be a huge investment, & in the past they have used Chinese OEM's. It's not bad almost everybody uses one to some extent! All these allusions are killing my illusions and delusions. I hung out with a delusional at NAMM? Man you know happened the last time that Happened? 😬 OK Delusional could describe 3/4 of those in attendance at NAMM but hey !😎
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Post by wiz on Nov 22, 2016 14:46:20 GMT -6
I love those last two reviews of the microphone... thats audio in a nutshell isn't it..
Both experienced guys, who I know, who's work I respect... with varying opinions.
One mans chocolate is another mans vanilla....
cheers
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Post by svart on Nov 22, 2016 14:55:43 GMT -6
All these allusions are killing my illusions and delusions. I hung out with a delusional at NAMM? Man you know happened the last time that Happened? 😬 OK Delusional could describe 3/4 of those in attendance at NAMM but hey !😎 and 3/4 of the jokers here too!
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Post by svart on Nov 22, 2016 14:57:30 GMT -6
I love those last two reviews of the microphone... thats audio in a nutshell isn't it.. Both experienced guys, who I know, who's work I respect... with varying opinions. One mans chocolate is another mans vanilla.... cheers Wiz Not only that, but everything in the recording chain changes how you perceive things. A different room, different amp, different preamp, etc. They can make things sound significantly.. uh.. Different!
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Post by scumbum on Nov 22, 2016 21:35:33 GMT -6
No-one's trying to shame Telefunken either; the insides of the mics will be different with that transformer. But if everything else is the same, then you could buy a really nice dynamic mic transformer, and get the same quality as the M80 for 50-60% less... Guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks. Holy Crap Batman , Those mics look the same !!!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2016 9:09:20 GMT -6
Yeah, Alctron is the supplier for all their 'cheaper' mics Hey telefunkenlab , since you outed yourself to me via PM, care to comment on this statement?
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Post by Guitar on Nov 29, 2016 17:28:36 GMT -6
Ooh, spicy thread!
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Post by svart on Dec 2, 2016 11:53:53 GMT -6
So for all those interested, I received the mic last night.
The metalwork is identical. The castings are the same except for the hole for the switch, the grill is the same as well.
The capsule is different, as is the wiring that I can get to.
It looks like the M80 has a rubber insert of some kind. you can see it from the top and through the XLR hole, but I wasn't able to get it to budge to get it out of the mic body. I'm not going to force it and possibly break the capsule though.
The Alctron also does not have a transformer which was the expected case.
The capsule in the alctron has a sticker around the edge with a design and part number, but no make/model. it looks like a good quality capsule that is OEM for someone though.
I haven't done any listening tests. I might do those this weekend though.
So sadly this is not identical to the M80 aside from the bodywork.
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Post by ericn on Dec 2, 2016 12:00:00 GMT -6
So for all those interested, I received the mic last night. The metalwork is identical. The castings are the same except for the hole for the switch, the grill is the same as well. The capsule is different, as is the wiring that I can get to. It looks like the M80 has a rubber insert of some kind. you can see it from the top and through the XLR hole, but I wasn't able to get it to budge to get it out of the mic body. I'm not going to force it and possibly break the capsule though. The Alctron also does not have a transformer which was the expected case. The capsule in the alctron has a sticker around the edge with a design and part number, but no make/model. it looks like a good quality capsule that is OEM for someone though. I haven't done any listening tests. I might do those this weekend though. So sadly this is not identical to the M80 aside from the bodywork. Oh well, I'll still bet some OEM is makeing the capsule for Telefunken USA, they found one who will keep their mouth shut!
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Post by svart on Dec 2, 2016 12:02:20 GMT -6
So for all those interested, I received the mic last night. The metalwork is identical. The castings are the same except for the hole for the switch, the grill is the same as well. The capsule is different, as is the wiring that I can get to. It looks like the M80 has a rubber insert of some kind. you can see it from the top and through the XLR hole, but I wasn't able to get it to budge to get it out of the mic body. I'm not going to force it and possibly break the capsule though. The Alctron also does not have a transformer which was the expected case. The capsule in the alctron has a sticker around the edge with a design and part number, but no make/model. it looks like a good quality capsule that is OEM for someone though. I haven't done any listening tests. I might do those this weekend though. So sadly this is not identical to the M80 aside from the bodywork. Oh well, I'll still bet some OEM is makeing the capsule for Telefunken USA, they found one who will keep their mouth shut! Oh I'm sure that Alctron is making some of Tfunk's mics. That was proven with the M16/AK47 mics. Either Alctron decided to use a lower cost capsule configuration, or Tfunk has exclusive rights to the capsule/transformer in the M8x series.
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Post by ericn on Dec 2, 2016 12:26:43 GMT -6
Oh well, I'll still bet some OEM is makeing the capsule for Telefunken USA, they found one who will keep their mouth shut! Oh I'm sure that Alctron is making some of Tfunk's mics. That was proven with the M16/AK47 mics. Either Alctron decided to use a lower cost capsule configuration, or Tfunk has exclusive rights to the capsule/transformer in the M8x series. I'm not sure it's Alctron, they don't have a good rep for keeping others designs close to their heart ! They may have gone there for metalwork , but I'll bet the Capsule & Tranny are from some place that be offering them to anybody else!
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 2, 2016 17:25:06 GMT -6
Thanks for checking it out. Any pics of the different capsules?
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 3, 2016 0:34:31 GMT -6
Oh I'm sure that Alctron is making some of Tfunk's mics. That was proven with the M16/AK47 mics. Either Alctron decided to use a lower cost capsule configuration, or Tfunk has exclusive rights to the capsule/transformer in the M8x series. I'm not sure it's Alctron, they don't have a good rep for keeping others designs close to their heart ! They may have gone there for metalwork , but I'll bet the Capsule & Tranny are from some place that be offering them to anybody else! The tranny use to be an AMI but they have it made elsewhere now. Only their high end diamond series use "non-chinese" capsules as far as I'm aware. I highly suspect that even their M260 SDC are Chinese bodies and capsule.
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Post by Bender on Dec 3, 2016 1:28:34 GMT -6
Not trying to troll, but honestly I'm kinda surprised anyone here let alone over 17, would even care about what Green Day is "up to" these days.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 3, 2016 1:51:38 GMT -6
Not trying to troll, but honestly I'm kinda surprised anyone here let alone over 17, would even care about what Green Day is "up to" these days. I think if you read it you will find this thread is mainly focused on the origins of the M80.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 13, 2016 13:20:34 GMT -6
Yeah, Alctron is the supplier for all their 'cheaper' mics Hey telefunkenlab , since you outed yourself to me via PM, care to comment on this statement? ...bump. Care to comment on what is made in house and what is outsourced? I've been interested in the 260 mics, but there seems to be a lot of conflicting info out there about their origins.
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Post by telefunkenlab on Dec 13, 2016 13:59:00 GMT -6
Will be back with a reply to this thread.
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Post by Ward on Dec 14, 2016 13:05:30 GMT -6
Will be back with a reply to this thread. As a T-Funk fan and owner of many T-Funk microphones, I am very interested in the company's weighing in on this!!
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