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Post by cdkelly on Dec 21, 2016 20:15:17 GMT -6
This. Is. The. Truth. Same reason Spectra Sonics used them....those...the same ones..... Yep a guy and I were half joking of doing a run of plastic Ones on a 3D printer to give our boards the "API look"😎 I'd be worried that a 3D printed version wouldn't withstand the torque needed to tighten the set screw on the shaft... but maybe so. Now if it were 3D printed metal (stereo lithography) it would be tough enough. Interesting side note, from what I understand API abandoned Vemaline after trademarking the knob that Vemaline had created, and today they buy their knobs from Chia-Shin (China). You can actually buy API's knobs from Chia Shin; but if you try to make a product with them, you could get sued.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2016 20:18:16 GMT -6
Yep a guy and I were half joking of doing a run of plastic Ones on a 3D printer to give our boards the "API look"😎 I'd be worried that a 3D printed version wouldn't withstand the torque needed to tighten the set screw on the shaft... but maybe so. Now if it were 3D printed metal (stereo lithography) it would be tough enough. Interesting side note, from what I understand API abandoned Vemaline after trademarking the knob that Vemaline had created, and today they buy their knobs from Chia-Shin (China). You can actually buy API's knobs from Chia Shin; but if you try to make a product with them, you could get sued. Welcome Chad. That's exactly the story. They are suing people after knocking off Vemaline's design.
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2016 20:49:58 GMT -6
Yep a guy and I were half joking of doing a run of plastic Ones on a 3D printer to give our boards the "API look"😎 I'd be worried that a 3D printed version wouldn't withstand the torque needed to tighten the set screw on the shaft... but maybe so. Now if it were 3D printed metal (stereo lithography) it would be tough enough. Interesting side note, from what I understand API abandoned Vemaline after trademarking the knob that Vemaline had created, and today they buy their knobs from Chia-Shin (China). You can actually buy API's knobs from Chia Shin; but if you try to make a product with them, you could get sued. Larry and his lawyers approach with the knobs was one of the reason For the comment 😉 Both consoles use plastic knobs with out set screws ( I think d shaft) So it would be a hybrid but Larry might try to sue us anyway if we try! If I were to use Metal I think I would buy Vermaline if I could do the numbers! There is a guy on eBay who sells the Chia Shin if anybody wants to dress up their stuff.
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Post by cdkelly on Dec 21, 2016 20:50:02 GMT -6
Still wondering if this circuit can accept a Neumann capsule? I bet that would bring it up to snuff! Oh ya and wiz had a bad ass u87! Yes, you can put in any K87 or K67 style capsule that is 4 termination style (dual backplate). I don't know if you can obtain authentic Neumann capsules outside of the mic; but there are a few people making high end ones. FLEA, Eric Heisermann, etc. -Chad/Warm
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2016 21:22:27 GMT -6
Still wondering if this circuit can accept a Neumann capsule? I bet that would bring it up to snuff! Oh ya and wiz had a bad ass u87! Yes, you can put in any K87 or K67 style capsule that is 4 termination style (dual backplate). I don't know if you can obtain authentic Neumann capsules outside of the mic; but there are a few people making high end ones. FLEA, Eric Heisermann, etc. -Chad/Warm Chad you can get the 87/67 Capsule as a part, but it's an expensive part and as I have explained before on this subject as it's a part no returns if you no likey!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2016 8:43:13 GMT -6
I think this is called positive feedback
From Warm Fb Site : "Michael Lattanzi added 3 new photos. 10 hrs · .. We are loving this warm audio WA-412 4 Channel Mic Pre Incredible ....actually put me in an amazing mood it sounds so good and with Dave Mustaine's Lead Vocal on a Megadeth Track he just cut tonight! That's Dave's voice moving those LEDs on mic pre #3 I seriously am blown away by how great Dave's voice sounds coming thru the Wa-412! Also used the warm audio WA87 mic for room sound thru the Warm-412 as well and sounded awesome! Mr.Warm Audio ...no joke I want at least 3 more warm wa-412's , my Christmas wish list I want and will have one day 24 Pre's and I am dead serious, my new favorite piece of gear! Bryce Nelson Young Royce Richmond Chad D Kelly Kathy Lattanzi"
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 23, 2016 8:58:24 GMT -6
Kcat said, "I think this is called positive feedback "I'll say!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2016 9:06:21 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Dec 23, 2016 9:21:24 GMT -6
I think this is called positive feedback
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4 Channel Mic Pre Incredible ....actually put me in an amazing mood it sounds so good and with Dave Mustaine's Lead Vocal on a Megadeth Track he just cut tonight!
So, does it also turn water into wine?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2016 9:58:52 GMT -6
no, but the money you will make can Seriously I am just pleased to see a positive independent critique. I bought just based on internet clips ( not great sound quality really) and what I had read. Drummer is booked so I am really looking forward to the first tracking session with the 412.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 23, 2016 10:12:40 GMT -6
no, but the money you will make can Seriously I am just pleased to see a positive independent critique. I bought just based on internet clips ( not great sound quality really) and what I had read. Drummer is booked so I am really looking forward to the first tracking session with the 412. Independent? That's seems like a stretch. He tags all the company employees personally on Facebook. Doesn't seem like a random, unbiased Joe Schmo that bought some gear.
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Post by M57 on Dec 23, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -6
Well, I for one am disappointed (but not surprised) that the Bryce went with the 412. It's probably a good marketing decision, (although between the 412 and the 87 he may be branching out a bit too quickly) but I and a few others here were hoping for a WA73 - so now I'm back to the drawing board in my hunt for an affordable high-end mic pre to complement and contrast with my D4's.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2016 10:24:20 GMT -6
As we have already speculated here about the possibility of modding the pre , although none of us have used it, I posted that only cus it was a real world experience from someone who obviously knows gear and what he likes.
As I said from the beginning, I wanted this thread to be about people's experience with the gear. I bought both and will be posting clips soon, how bout we stay focussed on that ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:24:28 GMT -6
@ Jesse - but then consider he probably could afford anything but chose the warm?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 23, 2016 10:31:34 GMT -6
Sorry for trying to keep it real.
Go Warm! Ra, ra, ra.
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Post by Ward on Dec 23, 2016 10:41:06 GMT -6
Well, I for one am disappointed (but not surprised) that the Bryce went with the 412. It's probably a good marketing decision, (although between the 412 and the 87 he may be branching out a bit too quickly) but I and a few others here were hoping for a WA73 - so now I'm back to the drawing board in my hunt for an affordable high-end mic pre to complement and contrast with my D4's. It would be very poor form for one of us to point out that Joshua Van der stam has a new 1073 available.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2016 12:33:08 GMT -6
Great minds think alike and I never remember the rest of that ? I got the wa 412 to compliment my 2 d4's and am thinking the stam 73 would round out my pres very nicely Now finding the money could be a problem For my drum session with the wa 412 and wa87, I wlll use those on overheads, into d4s and the wa412 on the kick, snare and toms.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 23, 2016 12:58:58 GMT -6
Might take 3-6 months to get the Stam73 pre though....
Ya the famous quotes always strike me as paid marketing or " product placement " in a movie so to speak. Not saying that's what happened here because idk.. @snowflake makes a good point though, he's he may well can afford whatever HW, however if Warm is wanting you to test or " try " their new products... why not...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 24, 2016 9:39:01 GMT -6
Nothing in the world could ever make me say I like a product if I didn't, even if it was given to me. My word is all I have.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 24, 2016 12:13:35 GMT -6
Nothing in the world could ever make me say I like a product if I didn't, even if it was given to me. My word is all I have. +1 same for me .... which is the reason I became a musician instead of becoming a business man. In business the dollar comes before any morals, that's the bottom line. Rightly or wrongly.
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Post by M57 on Dec 24, 2016 18:42:07 GMT -6
I did a little surfing, re-read/skimmed through this thread again, and my understanding is that the WA 12 and Tone Beast are pretty much the same animal - AND, though not quite the same, they are color-wise very similar to the WA-412. The sonic quality of all of the above is similar; one is not 'better sounding' than another). So in the case of the WA-12, the WA-412 gives you 4X of the inputs for a little more than 2X the price - Not to mention the 412 doesn't have a wall-wart. In the case of the TB-12, the WA-412 gives you 4X the inputs for exactly twice the price. But for the fact that I don't want to spend $1000+ and I really don't need the extra inputs, I'm feeling kind of stupid even considering the TB-12. At least the Tone Beast does have extra knobs I can fiddle with.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2016 19:01:52 GMT -6
I understand your point but the 412 is the first Warm pre with Altran transformers and different op amps. I had tonebeasts in the past and I expecting a different sound.
The tb12 and wa 12 are different in the sense that the tb12 while mono has like two circuits paths that allow you to select different op amps, capacitors and to alter the sonic qualities of the pre much more so than the wa12.
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Post by M57 on Dec 24, 2016 19:26:17 GMT -6
I understand your point but the 412 is the first Warm pre with Altran transformers and different op amps. But that is just 'different,' not necessarily 'better.' Yes?? No?? Additionally, and as you have mentioned, the TB..
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2016 19:38:54 GMT -6
No offence to cinemag but I think most people would say the altran are better in the sense of being more Hi fi ? I am not deep on api knowledge but were the original transformers used by api altran ? My understanding is that Bryce thought these the most authentic ? I understand the 412 op amps provide better S/N ration and improved dynamics but they are swappable so you could put the 412 op amps in the tb12 if you wanted or vice versa, as they follow the 2520 pin out ?
The tb12 is sonically more versatile and has more range than the wa12 but whether one considers that better or not I guess is subjective ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2016 20:18:27 GMT -6
No offence to cinemag but I think most people would say the altran are better in the sense of being more Hi fi ? I am not deep on api knowledge but were the original transformers used by api altran ? My understanding is that Bryce thought these the most authentic ? I understand the 412 op amps provide better S/N ration and improved dynamics but they are swappable so you could put the 412 op amps in the tb12 if you wanted or vice versa, as they follow the 2520 pin out ? The tb12 is sonically more versatile and has more range than the wa12 but whether one considers that better or not I guess is subjective ? If I were a betting man, my money would be on Altran being a less expensive transformer. Having 4x the transformers in one unit, they need to try to save some dough somewhere to come in at a price point. If you notice with their other products, the Cinemag name is always front and center on the literature. The Altran doesn't get that treatment. This has nothing to do with the quality of transformer. I don't know which is better, or closer to original, or any of that. I expect that is probably a sidestep and not a huge change, but again, just speculation. They are obviously targeting the API 4312 buyers and the price seems just right to me. With this unit hitting the market, the only way I'll end up with the API unit instead is if this thing ends up being a total flop and gets dogged by everyone. I don't see that happening though.
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