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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 5, 2016 1:40:12 GMT -6
Yeah, I still wouldn't doubt that the Symphony conversion on both sides might sound a little better than the BF Apollo. But we're splitting hairs. The Apollo isn't holding you back. Your mixes are getting better and better. I do like having the option of using the Burl and Symphony though. All three of my converters sound slightly different. All good, just different. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2016 7:09:46 GMT -6
Yeah, I still wouldn't doubt that the Symphony conversion on both sides might sound a little better than the BF Apollo. But we're splitting hairs. The Apollo isn't holding you back. Your mixes are getting better and better. I do like having the option of using the Burl and Symphony though. All three of my converters sound slightly different. All good, just different. Thanks, man...I'm actually using the Svartbox for AD and the dbox for DA. I do go analog out of the Apollo into the Dbox of summing. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 5, 2016 15:09:13 GMT -6
veggieryan do you not think your 2802 affects what you are hearing and you may be attributing or misplacing causation? I enjoyed your long reply and KT shows you have found searched /tested and found what works/ sounds best for you and no one can fault that... the Greg hanks piece is a beast 
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 5, 2016 17:52:50 GMT -6
veggieryan do you not think your 2802 affects what you are hearing and you may be attributing or misplacing causation? I enjoyed your long reply and KT shows you have found searched /tested and found what works/ sounds best for you and no one can fault that... the Greg hanks piece is a beast No, the 2802 is extremely clean. Too clean if anything. It does add "space' and "dimension" when using it for analog summing but it does not add any color. I dislike the Apollo conversion even just doing direct monitoring or using the headphone outs. I think everyone agrees that the Symphony is a step up from Apollo it's just that depending on your musical style or how crazy/anal you are about tone will determine how "worthwhile" the upgrade is. Currently, you can score a silverface Apollo AND a Symphony MK1 to use in standalone mode via ADAT/Spidf with the silverface for about the same money as a new blackface and it will sound MUCH better if you ask my honest personal opinion. The 2 headphone outputs are as good as $500-700 standalone headphone amps. Great value. Believe me... I HATE to have to say that because I would much rather just have the Apollo on its own and be happy with less cabling, rack space and costs. On the positive side perhaps somebody at UAD is reading these posts and they can get to work on making the next Apollos meet or exceed the Symphony level of conversion. I don't think its really that hard to do or unrealistic to ask. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 6, 2016 2:51:09 GMT -6
veggieryan I agree concerning the aspect of chasing the last 5-10% , however at which point do those returns stop to matter? We all know if it sounds good it is good and that's why I have been exploring new DA because many seem to think the Apollo DA for monitoring is extremely colored... I don't seem to hear it and recently been receiving pretty awesome feedback concerning my work Then the other part of me says new monitors, then again we all know the last 10% costs the most $$$$$.... I'm really gassing for this UAD plugin... I don't know why... I haven't even used it and what UAD samples / vids I have heard are cool but not showcasing this beast in its rawest form... I do like the waves, I do, it's at least 5-6 years old and things have improved on the coding front, and again it's a UAD coded plug which tend to be my favorites aside from Softube... really want a holiday sale on this bad boy, if not I will probably snag the UAD API vision channel strip and the Arousor if a good sale $200 and up plugins are too rich for my blood...
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2016 10:00:58 GMT -6
I've never used the real thing, so I have no idea how it compares. This one seems to be about smackiness and control to me. Which can be very valuable say on a 2 bus. But I tend to gravitate towards things that bring out the room and make things bloom in a colorful way. Unless I found something that (an instrument) that it just excelled on, I don't really see buying this one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 6, 2016 10:02:41 GMT -6
veggieryan I agree concerning the aspect of chasing the last 5-10% , however at which point do those returns stop to matter? We all know if it sounds good it is good and that's why I have been exploring new DA because many seem to think the Apollo DA for monitoring is extremely colored... I don't seem to hear it and recently been receiving pretty awesome feedback concerning my work Then the other part of me says new monitors, then again we all know the last 10% costs the most $$$$$.... I'm really gassing for this UAD plugin... I don't know why... I haven't even used it and what UAD samples / vids I have heard are cool but not showcasing this beast in its rawest form... I do like the waves, I do, it's at least 5-6 years old and things have improved on the coding front, and again it's a UAD coded plug which tend to be my favorites aside from Softube... really want a holiday sale on this bad boy, if not I will probably snag the UAD API vision channel strip and the Arousor if a good sale $200 and up plugins are too rich for my blood... The DA is kinda like monitors. If it's working for you then it works. I've just found that I can get there quicker with other DA's |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 6, 2016 10:04:43 GMT -6
I'm looking at a lot of the same plugins, this is almost the right time of year to get them cheaply. UAD often seems to make the Waves equivalents take second place. However I still really like the Waves PuigTec EQ, and the new Abbey Road Plate Reverb sounds possibly better than the UAD EMT-140 to my ears. I also think the Waves DBX 160VU is very slightly better than the UAD DBX 160. Those are pretty close, though, it's a tossup. Waves wins though because of the extra controls for MS wet/dry and sidechain. I guess every major plugin company has their strong points.
I listened to the UAD API 2500 clips, it sounds impressive. Especially for a software compressor.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 6, 2016 15:33:02 GMT -6
I'm looking at a lot of the same plugins, this is almost the right time of year to get them cheaply. UAD often seems to make the Waves equivalents take second place. However I still really like the Waves PuigTec EQ, and the new Abbey Road Plate Reverb sounds possibly better than the UAD EMT-140 to my ears. I also think the Waves DBX 160VU is very slightly better than the UAD DBX 160. Those are pretty close, though, it's a tossup. Waves wins though because of the extra controls for MS wet/dry and sidechain. I guess every major plugin company has their strong points. I listened to the UAD API 2500 clips, it sounds impressive. Especially for a software compressor. I wish UAD would properly add the key input feature for side chain compression in Pro Tools... Another turn off when the plugin is so expensive... At least have comparable features if you are going to cost an arm and leg |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2016 18:08:45 GMT -6
Gannon at UA posted some clips with the new api2500 plug and the golden unit they modelled from are you up to the challenge ? "Hi guys, In an effort to lighten the mood a bit today, I thought it might be fun to share something with you that I normally keep to myself. As you may know, I create the sound examples for most of our in-house plug-ins (and sometimes thirds as well). I often get the golden hardware units and do A/B comparisons with them to make sure they match as closely as possible. With the API-2500, I did something different and created some "Mystery Edits". Each file switches between the hardware and plug-in multiple times. They are not marked, so you don't know what the starting source is or when and how many times they switch. Some have as few as 4 edits, some as many as 10. If you have some spare time and would like a diversion from the current state of affairs, take a listen! I'll post a key next week. www.dropbox.com/sh/s1nwi1ijl8mvkfc/AACcnffslWBt61aAONfMplI0a?dl=0Enjoy! -GK" |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 9, 2016 18:18:59 GMT -6
Error 404. Seems appropriate today, LOL, as Gannon has been shrumming about also.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2016 18:24:51 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2016 14:46:55 GMT -6
Very thorough and good video review:
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