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Post by mrholmes on Aug 8, 2016 14:27:55 GMT -6
Do you have any experience with it?
Does it work?
If yes, is there something cheaper than 299 by any competitor....??
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Post by terryrocks on Aug 8, 2016 14:29:20 GMT -6
Seems like touch automation would do the same thing.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 8, 2016 14:30:10 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2016 14:42:00 GMT -6
I have it. I like it the Bass rider a lot, but on vocals, not so much. I use automation for that, as I want control over every detail.
On a fairly smooth vocal it might be an easy fix, but at that price I'd really look elsewhere. A couple of days ago, Slate updated the VBC, (Virtual Buss Compressor) to allow mono instantiations. I've compared it to my three go-to compressors, and the Grey is winning every time. If you happen to have VBC, check it out, it might alleviate the need for a vocal rider for you.
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Post by M57 on Aug 8, 2016 14:58:05 GMT -6
I have it also. It's OK as a down and dirty time saver, but I spend a lot of time working with tracks because time isn't money when it's my own music, so I usually end up manually automating and getting better results. Like MJB, I'm more likely to use and keep the Bass Rider in there.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 8, 2016 15:12:42 GMT -6
Thanks so I don't have to demo it....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2016 15:30:03 GMT -6
nah, don't worry about it mrholmes. There are ways to get better results for sure. I'm sure you know, vocals are usually the most important thing in a track, so even if there are shortcuts and quick fixes for some other parts, the vocal should be given your best effort for sure, and the Vocal Rider's no big deal.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 8, 2016 17:55:59 GMT -6
nah, don't worry about it mrholmes. There are ways to get better results for sure. I'm sure you know, vocals are usually the most important thing in a track, so even if there are shortcuts and quick fixes for some other parts, the vocal should be given your best effort for sure, and the Vocal Rider's no big deal. I know but I have to deal with a few tunes which have a very dynamical LV. But its not right in some aspects after all the rest of the mix is done. My hope was to save a little time, but i see my question was stupid anyway. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2016 19:03:46 GMT -6
Not stupid at all. If that Vocal Rider worked better, it would be cool. As it is, it's OK if the vocal is already fairly well balanced.
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Post by M57 on Aug 8, 2016 19:29:34 GMT -6
The one thing I pretty sure I haven't tried, which could in theory work great and potentially be a time-saver would be to draw in some quick automation, enough to get things close, then drop the Rider in post-fader and let it take care of the details. Now that I've thought of it, I'll be sure to give it a try at some point. It's just that sometimes I think it makes unusual 'decisions.' Granted, I may not be setting the sensitivities or the range optimally - In other words, it could be the user's fault. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case given my skills and experience level.
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2016 19:34:14 GMT -6
Lord knows I've tried to make the damned thing work a million times and I just think it's not quite ready for prime time yet. A novel idea but please Waves guys, back to the kitchen to finish baking this idea.
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Post by mrspecial on Aug 8, 2016 19:35:55 GMT -6
I grabbed it when it was on special for I think about $50, I can't totally recall. One cool thing about it is that it will write the automation for you and you can go in and fine tune. Definitely not worth it when it's not on sale though.
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Post by M57 on Aug 8, 2016 19:55:00 GMT -6
I grabbed it when it was on special for I think about $50, I can't totally recall. One cool thing about it is that it will write the automation for you and you can go in and fine tune. Definitely not worth it when it's not on sale though. I absolutely need to try that! I think I may have bought it at the same price and I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth. The Bass Rider, on the other hand, was one of my very first plug purchases and it's been great - I'm pretty sure I bought that when they had it at $29 (with a coupon code?) a year or so ago. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2016 20:08:17 GMT -6
Lord knows I've tried to make the damned thing work a million times and I just think it's not quite ready for prime time yet. A novel idea but please Waves guys, back to the kitchen to finish baking this idea. Ha! Exactly what I've been thinking Ward. welcome to the forum mrspecial! When you said, "One cool thing about it is that it will write the automation for you and you can go in and fine tune." Hmm, how do I do that? I use Logic X. |
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Post by kilroyrock on Aug 8, 2016 21:00:24 GMT -6
Am I the only one who fixes things in PT using clip gain? It's okay if I am
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Post by M57 on Aug 8, 2016 21:14:25 GMT -6
In Logic when I choose Vocal Rider 'fader' on the track and select "Write" - It writes the Vocal Rider automation - but not to the main fader. In other words, I'm just automating the Vocal Rider fader, so the Vocal Rider has to be ON, which I suppose saves some CPU, but is not what we're trying to do here. We want the Vocal Rider to write to the main fader, right? I wasn't able to copy and paste the data to the main fader automation either.. It's getting late, I'm too tired to figure it out. Will have to revisit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 9, 2016 9:16:25 GMT -6
I guess I'm the only one that loves this thing. Don't always use it, but it does a great job when needed. Like M57, I automate the "Rider" and it writes the volume automation for the plug. If you wanted to take the plug off, you could just copy that automation to the volume lane. There are times that it can get things too loud or whatnot, but I just adjust in the automation. Perfection. |
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Post by junior on Aug 9, 2016 9:31:58 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 9, 2016 11:27:44 GMT -6
Putting it in front of a compressor reduces the amount of castration.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 9, 2016 11:43:01 GMT -6
Hmm.. gotta try that, thanks Bob.
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Post by Ward on Aug 9, 2016 11:53:17 GMT -6
Am I the only one who fixes things in PT using clip gain? It's okay if I am No, but don't spill the beans on every trick. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 9, 2016 11:54:01 GMT -6
Putting it in front of a compressor reduces the amount of castration. Less castration! More virility! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 9, 2016 14:16:43 GMT -6
Bob said, "Putting it in front of a compressor reduces the amount of castration".
Every time I use a compressor now that image is gonna pop into my head, thanks again Bob ;-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 9, 2016 15:56:25 GMT -6
I usually use it after the compressor, but before is probably even a better idea!
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Post by wiz on Aug 9, 2016 16:27:31 GMT -6
I used it a lot for a few years... right up till making this last album... it didn't get used... but I think thats because of the type of outboard I used.
Its great.. and mixing ITB its really really great.
When I used it, I would get it to write the automation, then edit the automation, the main logic channel fader stays static... then you can automate the logic channel fader to do bumps in chorus's etc
Bass rider, is also very cool....
mixing ITB both those two, are pretty much indispensable around here.
cheers
Wiz
PS i also use clip gain 8P
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