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Post by jcoutu1 on May 27, 2016 14:14:30 GMT -6
...don't forget the Pultec pair.
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 14:22:38 GMT -6
I'd like to know how to get wire for a console for $1500. Even the raw wire and connectors cost me well over $10k. And I bought a lot of it used as well.
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 14:35:31 GMT -6
...don't forget the Pultec pair. Not everybody had a pair !
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 14:40:12 GMT -6
Whaaaaa?? I thought most of us were born with a pair.
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 14:42:53 GMT -6
I'd like to know how to get wire for a console for $1500. Even the raw wire and connectors cost me well over $10k. And I bought a lot of it used as well. Yeah even with Mogami 3159 AES/EBU console cable at $.32 a foot it adds up fast !
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 14:45:58 GMT -6
The #1 mistake for anyone who is building a studio for the first time, or installing a console the first time?
Radically underestimating the money and time it takes for cabling, interconnects and commissioning. Wire is freaking expensive these days.
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 27, 2016 15:01:56 GMT -6
I'd like to know how to get wire for a console for $1500. Even the raw wire and connectors cost me well over $10k. And I bought a lot of it used as well. I wired my 48 channel neotek elite for <$1,500, including all wiring to and from converters, and all wiring to patchbay/outboard gear/preamps. I saved a ton of money because it has an integrated patch bay... But I bought all the cabling (mogami,redco, and canare) used for pennies on the dollar, mostly from a console tech who had a bunch of elco terminated cables laying around. I bought the rest of the elco parts for dirt cheap in large lots on ebay, got the elco crimper used... And then I built all the Elco's and did all of the installation myself..... took forever!
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 15:06:44 GMT -6
I'd like to know how to get wire for a console for $1500. Even the raw wire and connectors cost me well over $10k. And I bought a lot of it used as well. I wired my 48 channel neotek elite for <$1,500, including all wiring to and from converters, and all wiring to patchbay/outboard gear/preamps. I saved a ton of money because it has an integrated patch bay... But I bought all the cabling (mogami,redco, and canare) used for pennies on the dollar, mostly from a console tech who had a bunch of elco terminated cables laying around. I bought the rest of the elco parts for dirt cheap in large lots on ebay, got the elco crimper used... And then I built all the Elco's and did all of the installation myself..... took forever! You are a VERY lucky man. Way to go!!!! I don't think the average guy will get those kinds of deals. I save all kinds of cable, buy stuff when I see good deals, and still - my latest cost me a bundle. If it'd bought it straight from Redco (which are generally very well priced) it would have cost well over $20k.
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 15:20:15 GMT -6
The #1 mistake for anyone who is building a studio for the first time, or installing a console the first time? Radically underestimating the money and time it takes for cabling, interconnects and commissioning. Wire is freaking expensive these days. Just labeling is a major hassle ! Let's not forget the bay's Even at a $170ea for used 96 points they add up quickly and then if you add one or 2 for mults, pads, phase invert and other little things !
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 15:21:42 GMT -6
I'd like to know how to get wire for a console for $1500. Even the raw wire and connectors cost me well over $10k. And I bought a lot of it used as well. I wired my 48 channel neotek elite for <$1,500, including all wiring to and from converters, and all wiring to patchbay/outboard gear/preamps. I saved a ton of money because it has an integrated patch bay... But I bought all the cabling (mogami,redco, and canare) used for pennies on the dollar, mostly from a console tech who had a bunch of elco terminated cables laying around. I bought the rest of the elco parts for dirt cheap in large lots on ebay, got the elco crimper used... And then I built all the Elco's and did all of the installation myself..... took forever! Used cabling can be a bargain, but everytime I have tried to save a buck with used wiring it cost me $10 by the time I solved every issue!
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 15:34:48 GMT -6
The #1 mistake for anyone who is building a studio for the first time, or installing a console the first time? Radically underestimating the money and time it takes for cabling, interconnects and commissioning. Wire is freaking expensive these days. Just labeling is a major hassle ! Let's not forget the bay's Even at a $170ea for used 96 points they add up quickly and then if you add one or 2 for mults, pads, phase invert and other little things ! Yup. For traditional studio's with 64-96 input inline consoles, large amounts of outboard, and patch bays for everything - the cost can easily run $50,000-100,000 dollars for cabling and interfacing. Even if they have a tech on staff who's doing it all. They don't have the time or inclination to buy used. When was the last time you priced a roll of mogami 24 pair. Better be sitting down.
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 27, 2016 15:42:14 GMT -6
I wired my 48 channel neotek elite for <$1,500, including all wiring to and from converters, and all wiring to patchbay/outboard gear/preamps. I saved a ton of money because it has an integrated patch bay... But I bought all the cabling (mogami,redco, and canare) used for pennies on the dollar, mostly from a console tech who had a bunch of elco terminated cables laying around. I bought the rest of the elco parts for dirt cheap in large lots on ebay, got the elco crimper used... And then I built all the Elco's and did all of the installation myself..... took forever! Used cabling can be a bargain, but everytime I have tried to save a buck with used wiring it cost me $10 by the time I solved every issue! Lucky me then! Not a single bad wire in all of the console cabling I bought used. Although I did take a gamble on a dirt cheap lot of used TT cables on ebay..... and yeah ALL of those were bad. Learned my lesson about used TT cables....
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 16:12:43 GMT -6
Just labeling is a major hassle ! Let's not forget the bay's Even at a $170ea for used 96 points they add up quickly and then if you add one or 2 for mults, pads, phase invert and other little things ! Yup. For traditional studio's with 64-96 input inline consoles, large amounts of outboard, and patch bays for everything - the cost can easily run $50,000-100,000 dollars for cabling and interfacing. Even if they have a tech on staff who's doing it all. They don't have the time or inclination to buy used. When was the last time you priced a roll of mogami 24 pair. Better be sitting down. That my freind is why I use and preach 3159! You can do anything with it! I do buy large quantities of wire ties of all sizes.
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Post by rowmat on May 27, 2016 16:23:31 GMT -6
Currently wiring up an XLR patchbay. I bought 200 Neutrik XLR's (panel and inline) from Mouser. Work in progress. The lower 32way panel ended up with the XLR's rear mounted like the top panel. Attachment DeletedI found a good local supplier of Gepco cable which I like for installation cable as it is tough and is also great for making up XLR > DB25 looms. Their Gepco cable prices are actually cheaper than US pricing which is a bonus.
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2016 17:58:30 GMT -6
Yup. For traditional studio's with 64-96 input inline consoles, large amounts of outboard, and patch bays for everything - the cost can easily run $50,000-100,000 dollars for cabling and interfacing. Even if they have a tech on staff who's doing it all. They don't have the time or inclination to buy used. When was the last time you priced a roll of mogami 24 pair. Better be sitting down. That my freind is why I use and preach 3159! You can do anything with it! I do buy large quantities of wire ties of all sizes. That's cool, but I'm using Elco M to Elco M interconnects, and couldn't tolerate all the individual wiring. Gotta use the 24 pair snakes....
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 18:25:51 GMT -6
That my freind is why I use and preach 3159! You can do anything with it! I do buy large quantities of wire ties of all sizes. That's cool, but I'm using Elco M to Elco M interconnects, and couldn't tolerate all the individual wiring. Gotta use the 24 pair snakes.... Understand, my plan was to use 8 pair, but when I saw how much easier 3159 was to use in a D-sub I was hooked! Now let's talk heat shrink labeler's
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Post by stratboy on May 27, 2016 20:57:03 GMT -6
Okay, Eric, what's your fave labeler?
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 21:25:08 GMT -6
Okay, Eric, what's your fave labeler? I use the Cheap Dynmo ! I hate how much the heat shrink tapes cost and trying to open the smaller ones is a bitch ! For snakes print a paper shrink larger clear heat shrink over it!
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Post by kilroyrock on May 27, 2016 21:31:58 GMT -6
Cabling costs are the worst. one thing less sexier than buying 500 racks. I am buying xlr cable and connectors in bulk very very soon.
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2016 21:43:58 GMT -6
Cabling costs are the worst. one thing less sexier than buying 500 racks. I am buying xlr cable and connectors in bulk very very soon. DIY DIY! Buy in bulk REDCO! & MR Patchbay! You can save a small fortune customize and label how you want it ! Plus improve your soldering skills!
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Post by FVR on May 28, 2016 0:33:20 GMT -6
First part :
I went through all of the mind blowing comparisons and after a reality check , decided on a analog console , a new one. I like a cohesive sound and all the great things a console brings to the control room. I chose the Harrison 950 MX with sweepable EQ's , 32 type ,and 24 modules . Though they come in 12,16, or 24. The mic pre's are clean and sound very nice. The EQ's sound killer, Mixing is fun for once. It has 2 stereo busses out , compression on master busses. 3 Monitor outs , cue , talk back , headphones , etc .
The price was extremely attractive . Well built , and lots of accessories .
Now that being said , The wiring for the studio and the console was 25K
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After the Console was installed and wired up , the room got very hot from all my gear and the console , so extra air and returns had to be put in . Then came the acoustic treatment in order to balance the room and be able to hear the monitors without nulls and bass issues. That was another 17 K
I needed 60 I/O's to hook up all my rack gear and the console. That was another 25 K
Patch bays 8 K
Voltage protection : 7 K
I'm going to stop here , but you get the picture.
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Post by stratboy on May 28, 2016 4:16:22 GMT -6
Okay, Eric, what's your fave labeler? I use the Cheap Dynmo ! I hate how much the heat shrink tapes cost and trying to open the smaller ones is a bitch ! For snakes print a paper shrink larger clear heat shrink over it! I'm about to wire up 600 connections, so I've looked pretty hard at labelers. I don't mind paying $60 for the labeler, but you are right, the price of the printable heat shrink is ridiculous. I bought 100 ft of white shrink and figured I would number each end with a sharpie. Not pretty, but is there a better way?
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Post by stratboy on May 28, 2016 5:49:48 GMT -6
Oh, yeah. Why didn't I think of that? Now back to OTB
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Post by stratboy on May 29, 2016 17:42:13 GMT -6
I'm working on an OTB rig built around an APB Pro Rack House mixer, a Motu 16a, and a Svartbox. Plus a rack full of compressors And a couple of other signal processors. I'm building the wiring harnesses and patchbays DIY. This is BY FAR the most time consuming part of the project. When it's all done, I will let you know how it turns out. I started ITB, moved to ITB with a 2 bus chain, and now am going to try OTB. So, I agree with others that at minimum, you need converters, a mixer and some outboard. But, thinking back to my 4-track days, the number and quality of your channels is up to you and your wallet. Even then, $$$ is no substitute for creativity and taste.
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Post by rowmat on May 29, 2016 17:54:40 GMT -6
Today I'm assembling 8x 8way XLR > DB25 looms. I agree that the costs of cabling and connectors are often seriously underestimated when setting up a studio. DIY'ing and bulk buying can reduce the costs by 50% or more. I reckon I've reduced my costs by around 75% as I already had several multicore looms that came with other gear I've bought over the years. Still ya gotta learn to love the smell of solder flux!
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