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Post by donr on Apr 28, 2016 0:30:05 GMT -6
I demo'd the Tverb tonight. In a homage to our host JK, I did his standard Harold Melvin+Blue Notes demo. The first file is me in my garage studio in MD. No ambience other than the mic in the room. (Same mic and room for guit and vocal, Miktek CV3.) The second is identical, but I turned on the Tverb's, one on the vocal and one on the acoustic guits. They were aux returns from bus sends. The vocal is a Hansa room preset, the guitars is somebody's acoustic guitar ambience preset (in the same room.) This may or not be the best treatment for the music, but you hear the plug in effect. I like the plug in, it definitely got me sonically out of my garage! Gonna buy it. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by wiz on Apr 28, 2016 1:01:05 GMT -6
I really like what it did to the vocal.. sounds really good
cheers
Wiz
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Post by papag on Apr 28, 2016 9:10:21 GMT -6
So the plugin is really good? I was suspicious that this was simply capitalising on a particularly famous Bowie trick for only one particular track and that it was a fairly limited process that could also be duplicated by chaining a few other plugins.
Would like to be wrong because the Eventide Anthology collection is absolutely top drawer.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 28, 2016 10:41:06 GMT -6
I demo'd the Tverb tonight. In a homage to our host JK, I did his standard Harold Melvin+Blue Notes demo. The first file is me in my garage studio in MD. No ambience other than the mic in the room. (Same mic and room for guit and vocal, Miktek CV3.) The second is identical, but I turned on the Tverb's, one on the vocal and one on the acoustic guits. They were aux returns from bus sends. The vocal is a Hansa room preset, the guitars is somebody's acoustic guitar ambience preset (in the same room.) This may or not be the best treatment for the music, but you hear the plug in effect. I like the plug in, it definitely got me sonically out of my garage! Gonna buy it. View AttachmentView AttachmentYep. Sounds great on that. Puts you right in a room. Huge difference. Draws us right in to the performance. |
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Post by joseph on Apr 28, 2016 12:07:47 GMT -6
Yeah, quick and uncolored room simulator. Combined with a little short plate, you can get a realistic depth very quickly.
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Post by matt on Apr 28, 2016 12:47:36 GMT -6
Very nice. Being able to control the spread and distance/depth reminds me of UA's Ocean Way. Seems less heavy-handed than OW to me, though. Time to get out the CC.
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Post by mikec on Apr 28, 2016 17:08:10 GMT -6
I think I will have to add this one to the reverb arsenal. Really like the sounds I've heard.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2016 17:25:39 GMT -6
Dang...tried it on a drum bus as a send. VERY nice.
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Post by 79sg on Apr 28, 2016 18:14:02 GMT -6
I like what I have heard so far but do you find it that different than any of your other favorite reverbs?
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Post by matt on Apr 28, 2016 18:36:15 GMT -6
I like what I have heard so far but do you find it that different than any of your other favorite reverbs? I find the Tverb to be extremely natural and real sounding. Realer, even. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Apr 28, 2016 19:00:10 GMT -6
Yeah, quick and uncolored room simulator. Combined with a little short plate, you can get a realistic depth very quickly. Exactly what I was playing around with last night. Elements get very interesting and lively. It doesn't take much of either plug to start sounding good. I was only using Tverb on sends. Are you guys using it as an insert as well? I saw the some of the presets are labeled "insert" but I'm not used to using verb as an insert. Maybe you can put a little on the insert of each instrument like a console emu plugin? Anyone know? I should probably watch the video..... |
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Post by donr on Apr 28, 2016 21:30:53 GMT -6
Although you can dial up long decay times, it's really more a room than a 'verb. A traditional, more dense and modulated 'verb with it would compliment the Tverb. It just sounds more "real" than say, a Lexicon Tiled room or a typical small to medium room. I don't have much experience with Altiverb or other convolution IR's in general, so I don't know what else is out there like this.
Its main virtue is giving your direct, bedroom or small dead studio tracks some class by putting them into a real professional recording space. The post production presets are interesting also.
I think there is much more commercial opportunity and application for plugins like this. Photoshop for sound, kinda.
I also think it's easier to get something dramatic out of Tverb than Ocean Way. Although Ocean Way is as much a sound and tone shaper as a space shaper. The user interface of the OW plug may be less intuitive. Even though Tverb's control layout is based solely on the Bowie "Heroes" production trick, it's simpler to adjust and hear the room effect. I don't think I'd ever use the distant mics gated as in "Heroes" except as a gimmick. Might make a nifty dedicated snare room 'verb. Like a Robert Palmer "Addicted To Love" sound, but subtler. The gated snare of the '80's was mainly an AMS reverb preset if memory serves.
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Post by joseph on Apr 29, 2016 7:07:15 GMT -6
I agree.
It does a good job of simulating relatively uncolored but not hard sounding at all room mics, and you can line up the two mics on axis with your source, such as imaginary diagonal line through kick drum and snare. I've like doing this in real life, have a front of kit mic like 6-10 feet back and then another much farther back, depending on the room. The results with the plugin are pretty much what you would expect or want, and when you don't have a nice room available to track in or get dry tracks to work with, this is great to have.
Just being able to have 2 room reverbs on faders to mix together or shoot out against each other is a nice workflow.
I think Tony Agnello was involved in the plugin development, and he did the 2016 algorithms, which if not as natural, provide a great room and likewise intuitive one knob automatic control of reflections.
Reason I was trying another bus with plate is I felt that if you wanted to extend the length of a close mic on snare for example, it made sense to use something complementary to both Tverb and the snare sound itself. Something like Phoenixverb gives you more specific control over early reflections and density, or the less natural but nicely colored 4 options in Waves Abbey plate, which can also both lengthen and soften a dry snare. The PSP 2445 is really good at the short plates too.
That said, I like that technique of gating (but not too hard) a room mic to a snare for the bloom, which you can quickly recreate with this plugin.
Given how natural Tverb sounds, it seems like you can mix it with a lot of different reverbs.
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 29, 2016 7:24:25 GMT -6
So is this like Oceanway?? I've almost went back into UA so many times but resisted because I'd pray another company would do what UA did with OW. cowboycoalminer? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2016 10:20:17 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on the insert and bus preset options. There's not really a "mix" knob that you would normally see...e.g., set it to 100% for a BUS and not for Insert. I guess I could spend time and figure it out, but what's the difference in the Bus and Insert options? Less of the main mic? I've just been finding a preset, putting it on a bus and moving the faders on each until it sounds good.
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Post by noah shain on Apr 29, 2016 10:26:40 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on the insert and bus preset options. There's not really a "mix" knob that you would normally see...e.g., set it to 100% for a BUS and not for Insert. I guess I could spend time and figure it out, but what's the difference in the Bus and Insert options? Less of the main mic? I've just been finding a preset, putting it on a bus and moving the faders on each until it sounds good. The mix control is in a little box up in the control bar on top. Bottom right corner of the toolbar or whatever it's called. Took me a minute to find it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2016 10:29:49 GMT -6
ahhhh...thanks!
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Post by noah shain on Apr 29, 2016 10:31:54 GMT -6
I threw a mono room mic in there on a whim. Default setting. Put a compressor after it and whammo!
It's killer!
I have a 25x20 concrete tracking room with 12' ceilings. It sounds pretty good and I can get a BIG sound out of it but the Tverb room is classy man. It crushes the altiverb rooms to my ear.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Apr 29, 2016 21:38:34 GMT -6
so is this a must-have?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2016 22:11:04 GMT -6
There's a 30 day demo...I'll decide whether I HAVE to have it after 30 days. I often find that when I use rooms, I use so little, that I can use VVV and be done with it.
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Post by noah shain on Apr 29, 2016 23:48:11 GMT -6
It's real good and pretty cheap. I wouldn't want to not have it any more... |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Apr 30, 2016 7:14:32 GMT -6
There's a 30 day demo...I'll decide whether I HAVE to have it after 30 days. I often find that when I use rooms, I use so little, that I can use VVV and be done with it. vvv? |
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Post by 79sg on Apr 30, 2016 7:32:48 GMT -6
Valhalla Vintage Verb
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Post by porkyman on Apr 30, 2016 22:36:17 GMT -6
There's a 30 day demo...I'll decide whether I HAVE to have it after 30 days. I often find that when I use rooms, I use so little, that I can use VVV and be done with it. i was thinking the same thing but i dont wanna miss out on the intro price. this is the only verb ive fallen for. every other verb i spend most of my time trying to hide it. or get it to blend. this one i only turn down because i think im probably supposed to..... i almost didnt even try it either because theyre all the same to me. everyone should at least demo it. |
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Post by noah shain on May 2, 2016 14:15:47 GMT -6
Using it on cleanish guitars today. Damned default setting. It's so good.
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