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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2013 8:43:51 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2013 8:46:06 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2013 8:55:15 GMT -6
STEIGERRRRRRRRRRR...
Modular console...but no pressure.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 9:04:25 GMT -6
Son of a gun. So this is 4 preamp input channels and a 16 channel summing mixer in one? Is that right? Also with a pair of eq's, pair of comps, and 2 open 500 slots to add pre or comp to the input channels? That actually looks really awesome on first glance.
Also, it's listed at $18 on Vintage King right now. Someone buy one and see what happens!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2013 9:14:08 GMT -6
Ok, let me put in the order.
Oh, wait...I'm $17,697 short.
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Post by popmann on Oct 18, 2013 9:20:34 GMT -6
Who could've predicted?  ...but, with 4 preamps....and only 2 500 series slots, they should hire me to design TheBox v2. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 18, 2013 11:17:14 GMT -6
someone get me batman!...i mean Steiger!! Now that jeff let the wally pre out of the bag, maybe his diy console will be next, from what i've read and understand of the layout, this box isn't gonna touch it?
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Post by scumbum on Oct 18, 2013 12:32:39 GMT -6
I don't see the point of this thing having only 4 inputs ? At the bare minimum have 6 inputs  Thats Overhead Left , Overhead Right , Snare , Kick , Rack tom , floor tom........ The Box seems like a restrictive over priced ..........Box.... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 13:00:31 GMT -6
I don't see the point of this thing having only 4 inputs ? At the bare minimum have 6 inputs Thats Overhead Left , Overhead Right , Snare , Kick , Rack tom , floor tom........ The Box seems like a restrictive over priced ..........Box.... Ya know, I'm okay with the 4 inputs. Either way you're going to need external conversion, so you could always plug a lunchbox full of pres into your converters to increase trackcount. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 13:03:34 GMT -6
It's like a summing mixer with a built in stereo comp, and a few mic pres/eq's to give yourself some additional input flavor. Not a be all, end all, imo.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 18, 2013 13:15:13 GMT -6
I don't see the point of this thing having only 4 inputs ? At the bare minimum have 6 inputs Thats Overhead Left , Overhead Right , Snare , Kick , Rack tom , floor tom........ The Box seems like a restrictive over priced ..........Box.... Ya know, I'm okay with the 4 inputs. Either way you're going to need external conversion, so you could always plug a lunchbox full of pres into your converters to increase trackcount. IMO, not good enough for $18,000!!! I need to be able to track and mix with no limitations for that kinda coin, i'm sure it sounds nice though. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2013 14:27:04 GMT -6
$18k is a different game than I'm playing. That said, 4 API pre's at $800 each, 2 comps at 1k each, 2 eq's at 1k each. That's $7200 of that $18k right there. Still overpriced IMO, but not insane in relation to API prices.
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Post by joey808 on Oct 18, 2013 14:28:42 GMT -6
Sorry..Way overpriced!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 15:27:29 GMT -6
Buying. This almost perfectly fits the bill of what I want.
I'm getting four great preamps, a bad ass monitor section, a buss compressor, a 16 channel summing mixer with faders, two 550s (meh) in a four slot 500 series rack and 3 cue mixes in a small footprint, future proof API console for $18,000?!?
Yeah sign me up. I'll have to pay for my car first but once that's done I'm dead set on owning this.
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Post by popmann on Oct 18, 2013 18:33:24 GMT -6
$18k is a different game than I'm playing. That said, 4 API pre's at $800 each, 2 comps at 1k each, 2 eq's at 1k each. That's $7200 of that $18k right there. Still overpriced IMO, but not insane in relation to API prices. Therein lies one of my issues with it. It needs to be an empty box. There's no need for the compressors and EQ and 4 not replaceable preamps. 16 space 500 series with a way to patch them however into the mixer. 16 channel summing. 16 slots normaled to feed the 16 faders but patch able and daisy chain able...thing is--with a summing mixer, cue mixing, 16 analog faders, and master control. Some people won't care about summing-they'll use it to track a band and cue because they like tweaking ITB...some people would fill the slots with inserts FOR hybrid mix/summing...some would do some combination. Also, as a feature, since I'm sure our friend at CAPI is watching this...the main VUs? Cool...but, you need a pair that can be patched anywhere in the chain, too. Obviously not "anywhere" lets just say on any of the 16 channels/slots. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 18, 2013 18:39:04 GMT -6
you could build 16 capi pre's of choice, 16 amazingly badass capi lc53 eq's, 16 500 series compressors of choice, for $18,000, add ?$ for jeffs diy console, which will be laden with no compromise discrete components, and recreations of the real deal tranny's and opamps, the ACA summing will be the real old school deal also, so I'm sure you'll end up with a serious, SERIOUS rig for not much more?$, that would almost certainly sound bat shit crazy good, and probably be 1/2 the cost of 1608( around $52k w/o compressors?). you'd also learn a ton, and be your own tech down the road. I'm waiting for Jeffs console, and i'll just keep building my 500 series stuff in the mean time. I've been excited for that thing for too long lol, i will own one! To me, the API seems quite under powered for that price tag.
BTW, it would take approx 2 months of nights to build those 48 modules listed above, it would cost over $40,000 to buy that many api 500 modules
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 22:57:18 GMT -6
To my ears, that demo video didn't sound great. It sounded good, but not great. i wasn't blown away by the sound. Also, i agree with building a ton of CAPI gear and stuffing them into a console format :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 23:12:30 GMT -6
$18k is a different game than I'm playing. That said, 4 API pre's at $800 each, 2 comps at 1k each, 2 eq's at 1k each. That's $7200 of that $18k right there. Still overpriced IMO, but not insane in relation to API prices. You're forgetting a $3600 for 16 channels of 8200 and another $3600 for the 7800 master section. Now you're at 11,400 of that 18k. Now it's quite reasonable in relation to API prices in my opinion. It is expensive but it also gives you a very good centerpiece for a small DAW based professional grade studio. I've got time to weigh the options and would still love to see what Classic Api does first. I'd rather this than a Matrix. One complaint, the name "The Box" sucks and so does the logo right on the console. Hire a new graphic designer. |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Oct 18, 2013 23:45:48 GMT -6
ooooh fuk....this thing looks pretty interesting.
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Post by Ward on Oct 19, 2013 14:04:53 GMT -6
There is so much more they could have done here to make this more widely appealing for the money. I would've liked to have seen a 2500 comp and a stereo EQ on each stereo channel of the summing mixer, and a 500 series of each at that, so you could swap them out for others if you wished to. PLUS, 16 input channels would have been sweet. 16 channel strips all with direct outs or bussed to the summing mixer in various ways with direct outs on those channels and then still have the 16 buss summing mixer with all that flexibility? Hells yeah.
But 18K for what's there? Pass.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2013 16:55:51 GMT -6
that is so cool!
if it were somehow a...LOT cheaper, I would be extremely interested
hopefully STEIGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR's product will answer the question
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Post by timmyboy on Oct 19, 2013 17:11:23 GMT -6
I love the API sound, but this product seems like it's best suited to someone who fits the following criteria ;
* They have too much money
* They are lazy
* They don't know what they are doing enough to know that this console is very limited.
The laziness comment comes from the fact that, with a little bit of research, effort, and education - they could get themselves so much more, for so much less money. Everyone participating in this thread is well aware that you can get just as good quality from the DIY options, for a lot less money (thus getting much more gear for your $)
*** Forgot to mention that 4 channels of recording is so limited that it's only good for beginners , and $18,000 isn't a beginners price range
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Post by popmann on Oct 19, 2013 18:13:04 GMT -6
4 channels is for an overdub based studio. Which, again--is all most artists need--cut the basics in a great, big room, take the tracks home and finish. 4 mic inputs is not for "beginners"...it's for overdub based studios. Which if you point to a record made in this town at least in the last decade, I'll show you one that at least pieces were made in overdub only rooms. It is the way of the future, IMO--cut the basics in a big nicely appointed room....take the tracks home and finish. This addresses THAT market. Again, I think they've priced themselves really high...but, not compared to Wunder and Neve and others offering small format class A analog consoles.
But, I wanted to chime in that it has nothing to do with beginner or experienced engineer...it has to do with a different GIG. You don't need the Eagle's wouldn't need their stadium PA/mixer/power amp to play a little club downtown.
I find the DIY movement inspiringly old school from an engineering perspective, but scary to imply a musician should undertake such or they're lazy. As I know someone deep into that (albeit with guitar/amp/pedals)...I can assure you that not only does my rig sound better, BUT...much more importantly, I play all the time...meanwhile, he's always calling me about this or that new thingy he's working on and a circuit board test he ran, blah...now, if you mean you can buy all these components of a mixer as separates for less money--yes--and that's why I was a bit shocked by the price. You would think with all the redundant electronics in a summing unit and master control unit and preamps and cue mixer...that you'd come out AHEAD buying it all as a "box".
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 19, 2013 18:18:32 GMT -6
IMO, not good enough for $18,000!!! I need to be able to track and mix with no limitations for that kinda coin, i'm sure it sounds nice though. Likewise. The sort of things it'd need to do to me for 18,000 are probably illegal in some countries. It wouldn't...would it? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 19, 2013 18:20:22 GMT -6
I love the API sound, Everyone participating in this thread is well aware that you can get just as good quality from the DIY options, for a lot less money I know i sound like such an over the top advocate for Capi stuff, but it's just because it's AWESOME, and i love it so much i think everyone should be so lucky as to get some! I would argue that Steigers knowledge and expertise in what made the old API sound so great, in conjunction with his creative design implementations, swinging input eq's, Heider, Vp28 pre's, missing links, as well as all the diy options available outside the API company, like true recreation tranny's from Ed anderson and cinemag, Scot's red dot opamps, gars 1731 opamps, not to mention the summing section?(not sure if modern API console is true to the old ACA summing?), make the DIY console, a not as good, but better choice! My bet is, if you took 2 consoles configured exactly the same, steigers rig would be closer in sound to an old API, with better reliability, lower noise and more versatility than the old API and a new API, essentially making it more API, than API? I base my opinion on the designs i've seen, used, and spec sheets on some of the forthcoming consoles. YMMV, but imo, spending 1/2 the money for something as good, and more than likely better, is a no brainer. Not to mention, Audio engineers in the truest sense, know quite a bit about how the circuits work and go together, it makes them generally better engineers than people who just buy something. George Massenberg anyone? |
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