Dave Ramsey on Obamacare

So, no one thought about just lowering the cost of all medical expenses?

If you want it to work like a European model, then cut the wages of all doctors by half, the cost of procedures by half, the cost of pharm's by more than half. You have to remember we're capitalist, we're not some socialist monarchy. There's too much greed here for something like this to work properly. And btw, how do I procure documents? Break into someones house and steal them? The cost of Mass health is very very low, ask anyone from Taxachusetts. $10-$20 a month is very common for health care, that's why premiums for everyone else keep going up!

It's great that all people get care here, it really is. I don't know anything about Obamacare and really don't pay attention to politics.
There are some problems with Canadian healthcare, it is VERY expensive, doctors aren't loaded here but they earn a very good living. They're unionized and the system is far from efficient. There are people who abuse their bodies and then expect their neighbor's taxes to pay for the resulting problems. This is why cigarettes and booze are expensive out here because if you're going to wreck yourself you shouldn't be expecting your neighbor to pay for it. I'd like to see all drugs legalized and taxed for the purpose of having a more efficient healthcare system. 

Who is in charge? It certainly isn't a Libertarian   But it's certainly someone elses turn to try to make things work, the other parties might as well disband due to constant failure. I can't believe anyone votes for them :-)

look out your window, there's a black helicopter watching you  lol! smh..

ya lost me dude...

the big flaw in the tea party, is the inability to accept empirical evidence into their belief system(the latest delusion was "not raising the debt ceiling will stabilize markets" ), we've seen the inability to back up claims with evidence here on this thread, do nothing to deter people from posting nonsense, that's why organizations like fox news exist, it's the perfect place to group verify your biases and belief system with like minded dilusionites, who gives a fuck all that you're completely FOS! everyone knows facts have a liberal bias right? (dilusionite is not a word, i just made it up, TM lol)

Good Lord, where is the thumbs down...? What a crock of shit.

Like Ramsey said, you aren't excused from the laws of basic math. Who's gonna pay for all this shit? We were $15 Trillion in debt and we decide to cover every American? And - OH, BTW - you don't have to be a US citizen to qualify for Obamacare.

I'm all for fair is fair, and i don't want to pull someone else's load, but lets get real here, back up what you say with some sort of link from a reliable source, facts matter. Ramsey's a hypocrite, and his math doesn't add up??? look at earlier posts with links for proof. We pay MORE as taxpayers and policy holders for the uninsured, and uh hum....you do Not qualify for the ACA if you are an illegal immigrant??? seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? Politifact calls your claim "pants on fire" www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/09/chain-email/illegal-immigrants-are-covered-under-health-care-l/


Who's gonna pay for it you asked, most of it's implementation is paid for by tax on the healthcare industry, and big pharma, they are fine with this, because they know they have 50,000,000 new paying customers, but that doesn't stop them from playing both sides, they still lobby politicians to favor things that make them more money and pay less taxes, it's a real unscrupulous game of self serving politics...as usual. The other thing that helps pay for it is, a shit ton of young healthy people paying into the system, the CBO shows a net reduction in the deficit in direct correlation with participation. It will ultimately save tax payers money, reduce the deficit, and take care of people. Most middle class families that make under $250,000 a year, will see a $4,000 cut in their health insurance premiums after tax credits.

The ACA is a macro complex system, it's going to have some problems, but it is not beyond the richest and most powerful country on earth to get it done, medicare runs at a 1.3% overhead, that is PHENOMENALLY efficient system. We spend almost a trillion $ a year on the war machine, lets get everyone in the US covered at a reasonable cost ahead of health problems instead of 20x the cost when they end up in the ER with no insurance, burdening all the tax payers and policy holders, it just makes sense, simply because we all get sick and end up in the ER at some point in our lives.

here's another big link with lots of info, notice the Cigna, Aetna, Humana links on the page looking to grab 50,000,000 new customers
obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.php

You know this is absolutely standard practice in the rest of the world and why people coming on Work Visas etc. have to do a bill of health. In Japan you'd have to prove you're TB free and do some X-Ray's just to get considered for a work visa. But if you break your leg on the street they don't leave you die like a dog because you're a "Sheik" or because the working-class have in their ranks some alarmist racists.

And believe it or not the rest of the world isn't broke from this practice because most people with chronic illness in the 3rd world can't fake being healthy or afford to get here. They die in a cargo container or just stay at home and die there. Nothing complicated I'm afraid. 

But by all means blame all the darkies instead of blaming massive companies with an agenda to maximize profit by lobbying the government, propagandizing the workers and selling everything at as high a price as they can get away with. 

But you haven't mentioned that. Because all the radio guys talk about is how bad Obama is and how the markets should do what they want and a free market will save America. But it's a very select definition of "Free" and by definition it's a total scam. It means corporate personhood completely outstrips the private person in terms of economic freedom, political power, avoiding accountability. Because to hold a body to account is governance - and that's facist obviously. I mean a company should be able to fire people who start a Union, but obviously if some other body comes down on a company for Union busting that's Facist Market Distortion of Muh Freedoms right? 

I get that you're sick of waiting for effective healthcare. My dad's going for another string of tests and he's been refused a Medical Card (Free doctor visits) so we're taking the costs on the chin again. Worked all his life, too. But that doesn't mean we should go down and through Sikhs (Seriously, John, they're not even a country.) out of hospital beds because I've got a beehive full of righteous indignation in my belly. That's the definition of retarded. The worst off get helped first. 

LEGAL immigrants can BUY insurance just like anyone else, i don't understand why anyone would have an issue with that??? If they want to get some procedure on the cheap, they'll get it in europe, where the health outcomes are PROVABLY better. The website having problems up front doesn't surprise me either, it was overwhelmed, and they dropped the ball on that for sure.
   Insurance company's big pharma, and the rest are going to make MORE $ than ever, the insurance co ops are going to be what drives costs down for You and I. It's basically the principle of quantity discount. Be patient, and give it a chance, The ACA, saves money in the end according to the CBO, which is pretty accurate barring unforeseen wars and cataclysmic financial crisis's, the current healthcare system is untenable, and is breaking the back of the middle class, and overall economy. My bet, you will end up liking it, and comon JK, givem a chance to smooth it out, again, medicare runs at 1.3% overhead!! that is way better than massively efficient, and remember, no matter what righty says, Obama is NOT trying to destroy america, neither was GWB 

You'd be surprised how many millions feel the same way. This is the USA not Estonia.