ericn
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Post by ericn on Dec 31, 2015 20:06:22 GMT -6
My Take, has the best of everything (at least for my wants and needs) Helios, Neve, Api, & Shadow Hills, Retro, (and quite a bit more not shown in this pic. This is one of two remote rigs I have now built. Each rig consist of 6 cases. One rig is almost always out somewhere on long term session rentals, and the other rig, when it's not rented and still here, I will occasionally use it as a summing / mixing setup when I have ongoing recording projects in the studio. This way I don't have to breakdown my studio's console while doing basics, I just mix thru the second rig and not have to repatch or touch anything on the console. Paul that is one of the coolest rigs I have ever seen!
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Post by pahstah on Jan 15, 2016 6:58:25 GMT -6
I can definitely hear an improvement in detail and depth of the sound with the new knobs...
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Post by rocinante on Jan 16, 2016 1:19:59 GMT -6
Good show man. I admit I'm a sucker for knobs. I have a nice collection and think it adds that perfect last touch to a piece. It's ridiculous sometimes and probably obssesive but can you imagine Shadow Hills gear with regular plastic knobs? I was just using both helios and neve eq's today. Man they're great.
Btw I may have a few elma knobs left over for the aphelios channels if your interested. Not sure they'd fit the color scheme though but Electro chronic also has some gray elmas in his store that definitely would.
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Post by pahstah on Jan 16, 2016 14:48:31 GMT -6
Thank you Rocinante, i'm still wondering what knob scheme use in the aphelios, and also what colour for the panel, i'd like to paint it black as Jagger suggests, but i'm waiting for the new pcb to arrive. Btw, i absolutely love the neve, i must save some money for new modules so i can fill the other buckets
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2016 18:04:58 GMT -6
I can definitely hear an improvement in detail and depth of the sound with the new knobs... I think I hear it too.
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Post by pahstah on Jan 20, 2016 13:28:51 GMT -6
PCBs arrived today! transformer fits ok, i've already found an error: no phase switch!!! fixing this error will be easy, just a dpdt switch wired point to point to the trnsformer primary. let's hope it is the only mistake...
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Post by rocinante on Jan 21, 2016 2:39:52 GMT -6
Oh man it just gets cooler and cooler. Did I mention that the lorlins footprint on the breakaway frontpanel was awesome. The transformer cut out too. Dude you've outdone yourself.
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Post by pahstah on Jan 21, 2016 11:13:02 GMT -6
Thank you Rocinante!! I'm planning to stuff the board during the weekend i'll let you know if it turns out well..
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kosi
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Post by kosi on Jan 26, 2016 12:51:19 GMT -6
Wow, that looks fantastic ! If you really decide, to do a kit, count me in for 2 !
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Post by rocinante on Jan 26, 2016 14:52:35 GMT -6
They'd be easy enough to rack but im not sure how many people have 500 racks on top of one another. I need another rack hmm....
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Post by pahstah on Feb 2, 2016 11:52:37 GMT -6
finally...after a bit of struggling with oscillation is here. now i need to complete the other 7 and writings for the front plate P.S. Sounds incredible!
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Post by krcwell on Feb 2, 2016 21:31:05 GMT -6
Beautiful. Just simply beautiful.
Don't think it's been asked, what's the little 6 pin port in between the two 500 series slots?
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Post by rocinante on Feb 3, 2016 0:40:10 GMT -6
Beautiful. Just simply beautiful. Don't think it's been asked, what's the little 6 pin port in between the two 500 series slots? To link them?
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Post by pahstah on Feb 3, 2016 11:39:44 GMT -6
Beautiful. Just simply beautiful. Don't think it's been asked, what's the little 6 pin port in between the two 500 series slots? To link them? Thank you guys, whenever i read post like these i feeling like a boy that just scored his first goal. about the 6 pins connettor the story goes like this: when i first conceived the double500 module i was looking for a way to fit two 500 series modules like the api550a vertically and still be able to have both the +-16v and +-24v like in the 51X connector without the need to remove the metal chassis or drill it to have leeway for the longer 51X connector. The space between two such modules vertically inserted in the slot was really small but i found that an 6 pin connector would fit. In fact in the next backplane revision i will put a 10 pin connector in place of the 6 pin connector in ore der to have more voltages to use, e.g. 30 and 44 volts or high voltage and filament voltage for valve modules. The system is very open and can be configured easily. Now for example i have the 1073 at +24 volts and the helios at +24 for the transistors and +-16v for That1646
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Post by pahstah on Feb 3, 2016 11:42:04 GMT -6
Wow, that looks fantastic ! If you really decide, to do a kit, count me in for 2 ! Thank you kosi, i will come up with some kit in the near future, i'll let you know when it will be ready. paolo
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Post by rocinante on Feb 3, 2016 11:52:55 GMT -6
That is just super resourceful and clever.
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kosi
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Post by kosi on Feb 3, 2016 12:54:08 GMT -6
Wow, that looks fantastic ! If you really decide, to do a kit, count me in for 2 ! Thank you kosi, i will come up with some kit in the near future, i'll let you know when it will be ready. paolo yay !
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Post by pahstah on Feb 16, 2016 12:24:45 GMT -6
I'm very happy with the new helios pcb, so I decided to go little further and create a rack for the double500 serie modules: i've not decided what to do with the space on the right yet... plenty of options there Paolo
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Post by rocinante on Feb 16, 2016 18:42:55 GMT -6
I'm very happy with the new helios pcb, so I decided to go little further and create a rack for the double500 serie modules: i've not decided what to do with the space on the right yet... plenty of options there Paolo Looks great Paolo. I'm interested. 6u in height? Where was the case made?
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Post by pahstah on Feb 17, 2016 2:47:42 GMT -6
Hi Rocinante, the case is a custom built using different parts available at a store near where i live, i'm thinking about creating a kit. the psu would be the 51x psu with +-16 and +-24 but with a beefier main transformer.
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Post by levon on Mar 18, 2016 3:16:49 GMT -6
Paolo, I not only like your build, I also like that nice old Eastern Tristar Avatar you got...
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Post by krcwell on Mar 24, 2016 21:15:01 GMT -6
I have a pair of Igor's he69 pcb's. While I really like the front panel layout his pcb's allow, the relay system he used just does not seem to work. I've tried every possible combination of relays, voltages, etc... gleaned from forums, then some A-hole stole a package from digikey off my front porch which was the last semi-recommended relays to try (where the hell you think your gonna resell that, thieving bastard?!) I decided the hell with it. I'll make my own pcb's that work.
The physical layout of Igor's pcb in 500 series is great, so I'm borrowing it. I already have 2 of the he69 switch/cap pcb's built, and I really don't want to try and desolder the grayhills, so backwards compatible it is.
Igor's pcb offered a ton of options, but I don't need em. Over complicates things. I'm going to replace the relay system with a pair of CAPI plug in relays. Simple, space saving, and less that can go wrong when shipping on a proto batch of pcb's from China is $50.
Simple THAT 1246 input stage, helios eq, DOA gain makeup with a trimmer, and options for the originally spec'd ll1524/1517 (I already have a pair) as well as 2503/cmoq-2 1:2. I put in a couple jumpers to give the option of running a 2503 1:3 as well. I have plenty of gar2520's and 1731's to try, and also have some APP 992 and 14ge opamp kits on the way.
Basically what I'm going for is a simple front end > helios passive eq > "gainstage playground."
I'm taking a break right now from notating the schematic, I'll post it up when I'm done. Just wanted to get some thoughts on the idea.
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Post by rocinante on Mar 25, 2016 9:20:45 GMT -6
I think its a great idea. That whole relay thing on igors build was really a bummer and several people outright gave up, im glad you are going forward. James fr om Ramshackle had the same idea and went as far as having pcbs made in eurorack format. He also deleted the entire relay section. I have one of the boards 70% done. His support unfortunately is non existent and it seems the project fell to the way side. I'll find the link to the little site that has some docs for it. He too did a that 1240 in. Imo the helios filters sound best with an input xfmr and there are a ton of options out there. Igor's neve gain is pretty awesome too and fits the helios filters well. Igor also dabbled with the helios line amp (the original he-69 rack came with with his helios-type line amp pcbs as an option along with the ba-284-type gain stage he made). Let me know if I can help.
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Post by krcwell on Mar 25, 2016 21:25:53 GMT -6
Thanks Roc, I appreciate the ideas.
I was pretty keen on keeping this an "isolated experimentation" project to mess around with different opamps and tranformers on the output, but I'm totally down with adding a transformer input if it's a simple replacement for a THAT 1240 series front end. Igor's input transformer design required a seperate DOA in some sort of mixed feedback with I think a ll7101 (there's documents on lundahls site explaining it, I just dont understand them). I don't have the line in transformer competence to know what would work... Any suggestions?
As far as gain stage, from my understanding both helios and neve gain stages run on 24v. I'm looking to stick with +/- 16v 500 series as that's what I'm working with. I think it will be interesting to play around with different DOA and transformer combos. I'm really excited to get the APP DOA's. I'm also keen to play around with inductors. I've used carnhills for the 10H low inductor but wound my own rm8 inductors for the mid on n48 400 cores. I might take a stab at trying to wind some 10H on rm10 n48 630, but it's 4k+ of turns with 40 gauge magnet wire... Should be easily feasible on rm10 if my calculations are correct, but I'm not going to hand wind that. A coil winding machine might be in my future...
Anyways, input transformers. Thoughts?
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Post by rocinante on Mar 25, 2016 23:12:22 GMT -6
For the helios circuit you'd need 24v so no go there. You could do what Paolo here has done and incorporate a 312 circuit. Then your transformer options really open up and you get to mess around with the DOA's and whatnot. IMO build something you really want. Be it thst its ic or xfmr. But definitely something that you will want to keep forever because its awesome, and more than likely you are gonna keep it forever. My favorite pieces of gear, be it preamp, comp, or eq; use xfmrs.
oh and definitely let us know how the inductors come out. Id definitely interested in a few but its awesome no matter what that your giving it a try.
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