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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 28, 2015 12:44:10 GMT -6
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Post by mobeach on Nov 28, 2015 13:05:33 GMT -6
Quite the process!
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Post by jsteiger on Nov 28, 2015 13:07:42 GMT -6
OK, that is pretty damn cool!!
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 28, 2015 14:15:53 GMT -6
...all that, and Sinsay can re-skin a $20 Chinese capsule to sound better...just sayin'...
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Post by illacov on Nov 28, 2015 15:00:33 GMT -6
...all that, and Sinsay can re-skin a $20 Chinese capsule to sound better...just sayin'... Who is this Sinsay you speak of? Thanks
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 28, 2015 15:12:24 GMT -6
...all that, and Sinsay can re-skin a $20 Chinese capsule to sound better...just sayin'... Who is this Sinsay you speak of? Thanks Dr Shankenstein, aka Shannon Rhoades, "Mic Rehab" micrehab.com/the greatest Mic/Capsule tuner on the planet, is how most see him... and for good reason 8) cool vid btw
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 28, 2015 15:18:38 GMT -6
...all that, and Sinsay can re-skin a $20 Chinese capsule to sound better...just sayin'... Who is this Sinsay you speak of? Thanks ...seriously Langston...if I hadn't heard it with my own ears...the guy is a monster!...re-skins with 1-micron mylar...where Stephen Paul left off, Shannon continues the craft...
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Post by illacov on Nov 28, 2015 16:21:51 GMT -6
Who is this Sinsay you speak of? Thanks ...seriously Langston...if I hadn't heard it with my own ears...the guy is a monster!...re-skins with 1-micron mylar...where Stephen Paul left off, Shannon continues the craft... Does he reskin the Microphone Parts RK47? I have a pair in my Rottweiler FET47, but I could be convinced to part with them for a while if they could be improved with higher end sounding capsules etc or if he can reskin with 6 um mylar. Thanks
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 28, 2015 16:23:06 GMT -6
Shannon just put in his CK12 Frankenstein in a CV3. He kinda tuned to the ballpark I thought sounded good while I was over there. Just hooked it up and it's freaking glorious. I've got to record something (I'm currently praying for an Auburn win over Bama to send my beloved Rebels to the sec championship after they demolish MSU tonight) and listen over the monitors to really get a sense of it. But just singing and listening through headphones, I'm really, really pumped.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 28, 2015 16:23:47 GMT -6
...seriously Langston...if I hadn't heard it with my own ears...the guy is a monster!...re-skins with 1-micron mylar...where Stephen Paul left off, Shannon continues the craft... Does he reskin the Microphone Parts RK47? I have a pair in my Rottweiler FET47, but I could be convinced to part with them for a while if they could be improved with higher end sounding capsules etc or if he can reskin with 6 um mylar. Thanks Shannon
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 28, 2015 17:02:13 GMT -6
...seriously Langston...if I hadn't heard it with my own ears...the guy is a monster!...re-skins with 1-micron mylar...where Stephen Paul left off, Shannon continues the craft... Does he reskin the Microphone Parts RK47? I have a pair in my Rottweiler FET47, but I could be convinced to part with them for a while if they could be improved with higher end sounding capsules etc or if he can reskin with 6 um mylar. Thanks ...they don't call him "Sinsay" for nothing...he's got a whole bag a' tricks...best to let him make recommendations based upon your primary purposes for the mics...
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Post by ericn on Nov 28, 2015 19:53:23 GMT -6
It's been a long time since I've been bombarded with so much bullshit in such a short film. The video is pretty though. Any modern CNC machine (like mine) can easily accomplish this work simply and easily. One mans BS is another mans marketing ! But yeah I agree with Tim! Someday I'm going to spend a couple of days as a Fly on the wall at Shannon's and The Lawson Factory ( because air fare to Tim's and Thirsch isn't in the budget) and Learn a bit more about how it's done Plus buy our man Shannon a number of drinks)!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 28, 2015 20:55:21 GMT -6
It's been a long time since I've been bombarded with so much bullshit in such a short film. The video is pretty though. Any modern CNC machine (like mine) can easily accomplish this work simply and easily. I liked the "Scientist applies the gold sputtering", not a technician, but a Scientist! Made me lol, I guess the job market for Scientists is tough? 8)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 28, 2015 23:13:34 GMT -6
Don't jump to conclusions just yet fellas, I've had three opportunities to try this thing, although not for as long as I'd have liked, and I'll tell you this, the Soyuz mic is the first new mic I've heard to threaten the domination of the vintage holy trinity, U47, C12, and ELAM 251. Though distinct, it easily equals or betters any of them at their best. They cost $6,000-$20,000, the Soyuz, $3500.
I should be getting both the 017 and two 011's on loan for a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure how soon.. to be continued.
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 28, 2015 23:30:19 GMT -6
...it better sound good for $3500, considering it has a very simple single-stage circuit, employing a common EF95/6J1P pentode-tube (wired as a triode) and a K67-style capsule (cardioid only)...I'd love to know the ratio on the tranny...outside of the capsule and tranny, there's very little going on, other than the rather opulent retro design...presence peak at 10K...pretty basic...time will tell... ...frankly, if I didn't know better, it looks like the Russians took the cheap CAD Trion 8000 (bottom pic) and rebuilt it using premium components...similar tube, capsule, transformer-coupled output and about a half-dozen passive components...looks like the Chinese and Russians borrowed from the same source design...interesting... Attachments:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 28, 2015 23:42:35 GMT -6
Heaven knows exactly why certain things just sound good. Synergy between all the variables, the sum of all parts I guess. There are some members here who are serious respected designers and engineers, and I believe even they would say great sound can be elusive, the smallest change, changes the whole equation.
I'd love to know what Tim Campbell or Sinsay would think of this if they had one for a little while. Their ears are some of the most experienced and finely tuned.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 29, 2015 2:34:58 GMT -6
I've never owned a mic with electolytic capacitors in the circuit(like the ones pictured), that were top shelf, electrolytics in the audio path generally sound bad, especially in mics.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 29, 2015 8:54:34 GMT -6
I have yet to spend any real amount of time with the Soyuz, but if I had to give a first impression, I'd say it's even better than the real thing. By that I mean it just sounds the way you WANT it to sound. Much like the great 40's Hollywood photographers, who knew how tp light a photo to great effect, making the stars they were shooting look incredible, the Soyuz brought out all the best qualities in sound imaginable. I know this is a big claim considering I haven't spent much time with it, but in this case, the cliche` "magical" simply seems true.
There's a book by Malcolm Gladwell titled "Blink". It's a story of how three of the world's leading authorities on ancient statuary convinced themselves a fake was real, and why it happened. The museum lost $10,000,000, and eventually,around three years later, one of them expressed his doubts. The takeaway was it took millions of years for our senses to evolve to the level we're at now, and the first impression is a deep and important to acknowledge shortcut to understanding something or someone. I try to keep this in mind when evaluating something, although I'm as susceptible to talking myself into something as the next person.
My first impression of the Soyuz was it was on par with the best. One thing that I'm looking forward to is doing multiple tracks with the Soyuz mics. Sounding great with just a vocalist testing it doesn't mean it'll work within tracks or as a main mic for tracking everything at home or in project studios.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2015 12:32:56 GMT -6
It's been a long time since I've been bombarded with so much bullshit in such a short film. The video is pretty though. Any modern CNC machine (like mine) can easily accomplish this work simply and easily. But they have special vintage lathes...
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 29, 2015 13:27:23 GMT -6
did he say the guy was cutting .2 microns by hand on the lathe ?
these guys and sinsay truly are superb artisans and craftsman.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 29, 2015 17:20:58 GMT -6
If you scroll down on their home page, there's a well done shootout in a studio with a vintage U67 and C12. I know through friends that the studio owner was skeptical, as he has a huge vintage mic collection, but when he heard the Soyuz, bought two on the spot. Still, it may not be your cup of tea, or mine, who knows yet, but I'm glad to see a company shoot for the moon with a new microphone. Solid brass, dang. I don't know about the theory, but if the sum of all parts makes the mic, that seems like a really good start. www.soyuzmicrophones.com
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 2:26:49 GMT -6
It's been a long time since I've been bombarded with so much bullshit in such a short film. The video is pretty though. Any modern CNC machine (like mine) can easily accomplish this work simply and easily. I liked the "Scientist applies the gold sputtering", not a technician, but a Scientist! Made me lol, I guess the job market for Scientists is tough? 8) "One of our scientists". I guess they have a whole capsule lab full of scientists.
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Post by kidvybes on Nov 30, 2015 8:19:04 GMT -6
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Post by soyuzmicrophones on Dec 1, 2015 14:37:22 GMT -6
Hi Gents, It’s Pavel from Soyuz Microphones. Thanks a lot for your interest in our capsules video. We really appreciate every single comment, even negative ones. They are actually sometimes very useful. Based on what I’ve read, I’d like to share some info about Soyuz (please forgive my English):
“Scientist” term usage. I agree in the normal world this job would be done by technician. In Soyuz we are lucky to have Konstantin doing this. He has spent more than 10 years researching effectiveness of the coating processes (powder, lacquer, spraying, and mostly gold impingement), 5 more years were spent on research to come up with a “perfect” process of mylar gold sputtering. There are thousand ways do it based on combination of time/regime/voltage/vaccum pressure/square/density of sputtering etc. So it took us a lot of R&D work to pick the combination that will make the capsule sound like you want it to sound. Now he is still a working on few researches in the acoustical applications, so this is why we think he deserves to be called a Scientist.
“2 microns precision” We cut our capsules with 2 microns tolerance (that means +/- 1 micron). It took us more than 2 years to pick the one soviet lathe from scientific institute that could do it consistently. I agree, maybe there are CNC lathes that can be quite accurate to reach an accurate size +/- 2 microns. But there are very few that can make a perfectly flat surface with diameter of 34mm and accuracy of +/- 1 micron across the whole surface. If you say you can do it, I think everybody will be very interested to see a video of the process and live measurement, if your CNC lathe can do it, I’ll get my hat off for you.
“Simple single-stage circuit”, our SU-017 was developed by our engineer who has a degree in electro-acoustic and more than 25 years of mic development and repairs works. He knows all the legendary vintage and modern mics from inside out. As per his opinion, big and complex circuits don’t necessarily mean the mics will sound great. We have developed our schematics based on vintage U67, but added/changed few components that make it special. Many well-known producers who bought our mics judge the mic not by what they see inside, but by what they hear in monitors. And I personally tend to agree with them.
One more time on behalf of the whole Soyuz team I would like to thank you for all your comments and criticism. We are still a relatively young company and every feedback is very important. I’ll be happy to answer any other questions you may have.
Kind regards, Pavel
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 1, 2015 15:24:59 GMT -6
To put some dimensioning in perspective, a micron is appx 0.000039". A human hair is appx 0.001" in diameter. So if you divide a human hair into 25 equal slices, you have a micron! Crazy!
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