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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2015 17:05:20 GMT -6
Wow. Danny does amazing work...but he sure doesn't mind charging for it.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 31, 2015 8:33:11 GMT -6
I was impressed by the sound shootout, and also the apparent build quality of this mic. I thought the Soyuz sounded bigger and bolder than the vintage mics in the comparison, almost like a loudness effect. I wonder if the clips were level matched. It seems like a mic you could use on anything.
I also like the unusual sort of artsy marketing, vs the standard clinical specification-based sort of blurbs. I do think of microphones as instruments almost as much as I analyze them as tools.
If I had $3,500 to spend I would probably buy one of these before a U87Ai, it just seems like a slightly better value. But I don't so I'm another one stuck in high end DIY.
Good luck Soyuz, seems like you're off to a great start.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 31, 2015 9:35:03 GMT -6
At B&H here in NYC, they have a really cool mic room. Around 30-40 mics are set up with a choice of a half dozen top preamps. You can switch mics in seconds. One time, I quickly ran through the U87, the Soyuz, the Mojave 300, and the Miktek CV-4, and the Telefunken AR-51. The U87 is always impressive, it's just HUGE, and clean and distinct. The Mojave sounded very good, but paled when it was side by side with the AR-51. That mic, out of the box is ready for anything, it's really smooth, and balanced, and no studio, project studio, or home studio singer/songwriter would have anything to apologize for if they owned one. But, when i tried the Soyuz, something else happened, it was clearly top shelf, but had it's own character. It had all the bottom a great U47 has, and all the transparency, air and smooth highs a C12 has, and if I was told I could pick any one mic from that room, and there were a few other heavy hitters there as well, I'd take the Soyuz.
That's just me, certainly not the last word though. It'll take some time before the newness fades and we see how it fares over time. I used a U87 every day for ten years, and not once, ever, did it fail to get the job done beautifully.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 31, 2015 10:00:33 GMT -6
At B&H here in NYC, they have a really cool mic room. Around 30-40 mics are set up with a choice of a half dozen top preamps. You can switch mics in seconds. One time, I quickly ran through the U87, the Soyuz, the Mojave 300, and the Miktek CV-4, and the Telefunken AR-51. The U87 is always impressive, it's just HUGE, and clean and distinct. The Mojave sounded very good, but paled when it was side by side with the AR-51. That mic, out of the box is ready for anything, it's really smooth, and balanced, and no studio, project studio, or home studio singer/songwriter would have anything to apologize for if they owned one. But, when i tried the Soyuz, something else happened, it was clearly top shelf, but had it's own character. It had all the bottom a great U47 has, and all the transparency, air and smooth highs a C12 has, and if I was told I could pick any one mic from that room, and there were a few other heavy hitters there as well, I'd take the Soyuz. That's just me, certainly not the last word though. It'll take some time before the newness fades and we see how it fares over time. I used a U87 every day for ten years, and not once, ever, did it fail to get the job done beautifully. I wish there was a place like that around here to demo stuff. The best we have is guitar center where they might have a u87 in a box.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 31, 2015 13:51:16 GMT -6
I feel ya there jcoutou.
We have Guitar Center and Sam Ash here. There used to be a few private pro audio shops, but rents got too high.
Sam Ash has hundreds of mics sitting behind a glass case. They just moved from their original landmark location on W.48th St to a new store on W.34th St. The old place was in a bunch of smaller stores in a group of dilapidated old buildings. They had great history though.
When they had a chance to renew and rebuild, I was shocked they didn't use the opportunity of building a new flagship store to feature things like a mic demo room. B&H is up the street, so I see it as a failure and an embarrassment, that a great family business like Sam Ash built a new story down the street from the competition in a cookie cutter style that's inferior in many ways.
That mic room at B&H is amazingly helpful. It's so cool they had the Soyuz there.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 31, 2015 15:26:55 GMT -6
I feel ya there jcoutou. We have Guitar Center and Sam Ash here. There used to be a few private pro audio shops, but rents got too high. Sam Ash has hundreds of mics sitting behind a glass case. They just moved from their original landmark location on W.48th St to a new store on W.34th St. The old place was in a bunch of smaller stores in a group of dilapidated old buildings. They had great history though. When they had a chance to renew and rebuild, I was shocked they didn't use the opportunity of building a new flagship store to feature things like a mic demo room. B&H is up the street, so I see it as a failure and an embarrassment, that a great family business like Sam Ash built a new story down the street from the competition in a cookie cutter style that's inferior in many ways. That mic room at B&H is amazingly helpful. It's so cool they had the Soyuz there. You guys have Dale Pro Audio and audio Power tools too right? They have storefronts?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 31, 2015 17:07:32 GMT -6
I think Audio Power tools is in Brooklyn. Cool place, but not very accessible. I think it's basically a studio. I'm not sure if you can demo anything there or not.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 12, 2016 23:04:41 GMT -6
This shootout is very well done. I liked the U-87 and the Soyuz 0-17 more than the 414, TLM 107, and all the other mics.
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Post by RicFoxx on Feb 13, 2016 8:22:11 GMT -6
The Soyuz sounded fantastic and I agree with what one of the engineers was saying that a microphone can inspire a great performance if the vocalist is excited about what they're hearing in the headphones.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 13, 2016 11:20:56 GMT -6
I had the Soyuz 0-17 and a pair of 0-11's here for a week. This was my exact experience. The Soyuz made me sing better. It's been a while, but I remember the U-87 having that quality too, but I think the Soyuz is even a pinch better in that regard.
Meanwhile, Soyuz is coming out with an FET version of their LDC that'll sell for considerably less. That may prove to be giant killer. It will be called the 0-19, and is the same design as the 0-17 with the same capsule, just FET.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 17, 2016 17:07:00 GMT -6
OK folks, it's been a rough week, and this video's a little rough too, but I had the Soyuz 0-17 and two 0-11's for a week, and here's a video featuring just me on acoustic guitar and vocal. I recorded the 0-11's in stereo. One mic in front, one above my right shoulder, then blended the two for a stereo sound. It's a little heavier on the left, but I plan to finish the track so I like the way they are now. I didn't notice any phase issues. I purposely tracked at lower levels, my first attempt at decent gain staging. Thanks for all the help you guys have offered, I do think it's getting better now.
I'll be adding drums, bass, electric guitar, who knows what else. Also, my preamp needed repair, so I had to track directly into the Apollo. Although there's some reverb on the track, everything else is plain, very little processing. Hope you enjoy. I can only imagine how great this would sound in a really good studio with higher end gear.
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Post by tasteliketape on Feb 18, 2016 8:20:20 GMT -6
Really nice man thanks for doing the Vid gonna check out the o11 liked it a lot both were nice though but I've have vocal mic covered
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 18, 2016 8:45:49 GMT -6
Of course my little video isn't the last word or necessarily the best way to present a product. Thing is, I'm a singer/songwriter, I don't work for gear companies, so doing these videos has to combine with my efforts in that direction, so one thing helps the other. I just want to be part of the community that contributes and helps push things forward.
The 0-11's are the first mic I've heard that equal the K-84. They're different though, I can see some people feeling the Soyuz has a lot of color. It's that very color I like.
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Post by M57 on Feb 18, 2016 10:42:02 GMT -6
Martin John Butler- I see a D4 'on' in your rack. Am I right in assuming you're not using it?
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 18, 2016 10:44:38 GMT -6
Martin John Butler - I see a D4 'on' in your rack. Am I right in assuming you're not using it? haha, I was just thinking the same thing, the D-4 is just the bomb on AG, better for that than anything else i believe.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 18, 2016 11:01:26 GMT -6
...he mentioned in the video that the D4 is broken.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 18, 2016 13:42:27 GMT -6
I did have the D4 on accidentally out of habit! I was considering using the WA76 and the EQP-1A, so I was warming them up, but decided not to mess with the Soyuz too much for this video, so I went straight into the Apollo.
I agree, the D4 does kill on acoustics, both warm and detailed, "alive" would be a good description.
I should also mention that when I tracked the acoustic guitar, I was in a different position. I had one 0-11 over my right shoulder, one in front. I sang along for the video because I felt it would be less boring that way.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 18, 2016 14:58:20 GMT -6
The d4 isn't a warm audio pre
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 18, 2016 15:50:38 GMT -6
The Warm pre is at my friend Dusty Wright's place, where we're working on his next album. He's actually in France skiing with his family, (lucky dog), so I couldn't retrieve it. The high voltage regulator went out on my D4, whatever that is. It made me want another D4 as a backup, that thing is addictive!
Y'know, it was in one of the posts a month or so back that had a guy demonstrating various mic positions. I'm not sure if Tony posted it, he may have. It was incredibly helpful to me, because as I was hearing the various positions, one made me sit up and think, "that it", that's the sound I'm looking for. It was a little Jimmy Page-ish. So, when I did the track for the video, I used the same "one mic over the right shoulder, one mic in the front" positioning, wiggled them around til it sounded good, and hit record.
Anytime I've tried this before, I got phase issues. This time it came out like a stereo recording, and I'm not sure why, but I'm sure I like it. The overhead was of course, thinner, but that's fine, I liked the blend of a full sound panned left, and the thin sound right. I'll fill in the low end on the right side with another instrument when I get back to tracking.
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Post by Ward on Feb 18, 2016 15:51:05 GMT -6
I didn't notice any phase issues. I purposely tracked at lower levels, my first attempt at decent gain staging. Thanks for all the help you guys have offered, I do think it's getting better now. Dude, that guitar sounds (to quote Chris Stapleton) AMAZE-BALLS and AWESOME SAUCE!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 18, 2016 15:53:35 GMT -6
MUCH appreciated Ward, thanks !
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Post by geoff738 on Feb 19, 2016 14:11:58 GMT -6
Is it just me, but does Martin look - and sound - a little bit like Walken?
Oh, the mics sound pretty good too. Would like to hear the finished track when it's done.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2016 14:45:23 GMT -6
Thanks Geoff. Well, can't say I haven't heard that before. It served me well when I was single for three years. If a woman liked a "Christopher Walken" type, I was in like Flynn. I also get one Clint Eastwood for every five Walken's.
Funny thing, we used to live on the same block. We'd pass each other all the time, and we'd do the NY nod, where you lift your chin a little and say "eh". Last time I saw him, he was walking toward me on Broadway, and we were dressed exactly the same, so we took an extra second or two, checking out that we were dressed the same, then said,"eh".
I'm looking forward to getting the rest of the tracks done too. Might do some electric guitar this weekend.
I want to see how the Soyuz tracks hold up and fit in a full mix.
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Post by svart on Feb 19, 2016 15:33:29 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2016 17:27:21 GMT -6
I think all three of those mics are so good i wouldn't argue with anyone's choice. The U-67 had a lot of life and energy, and is more accurate all around. I could gladly live with it as my only mic.
But that said, I care much more about the feeling I get when I listen, not accuracy, and the Soyuz makes me want to listen more. I feel the emotional content a little more from it. It definitely romanticizes things a little, but that's what I like about it. The colors it expresses most are the colors I like most.
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