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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 5, 2013 16:20:02 GMT -6
I don't care if I never get another cut in my fucking life, but I WILL NOT BE A PART OF THIS SHIT. This is the absolute bottom of the barrel.
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2013 18:42:01 GMT -6
What is the market for this? Makes me wonder if the end is near...
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 5, 2013 19:57:28 GMT -6
lmao!! it may be the dumbest thing ever written, but you gotta givem credit for not grooving at all while they're performances and drum samples suck as they're making the dumbest video i've ever seen, as they market toward inbred, day walking, mouth breathers. Other than that, it's great!
I wouldn't be surprised if they were huge...
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Post by popmann on Oct 5, 2013 20:45:31 GMT -6
Have you listened to what's on the country charts lately? ie....the last decade? You're gonna have to school me on the nuance that makes that worse than the normal operating condescension "made for target market" music that the machine has output since the Dixie Chicks incident. I just tried to listen to the top ten. I couldn't make it through a handful of clips.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 5, 2013 21:02:19 GMT -6
Have you listened to what's on the country charts lately? ie....the last decade? You're gonna have to school me on the nuance that makes that worse than the normal operating condescension "made for target market" music that the machine has output since the Dixie Chicks incident. I just tried to listen to the top ten. I couldn't make it through a handful of clips. there is no doubt mainstream music is in an absolute crisis, but i have to say, every time i think it's completely bottomed, and can't get worse, i hear and see something like jk posted, and I can't believe it .... yup, it actually got worse??? smh, it's a bummer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 22:20:00 GMT -6
Ummm, speechless. Is this serious?
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 5, 2013 22:26:14 GMT -6
I just watched this, and couldn't stop from posting it here, when i was a little kid, people used to laugh at the BeeGee's in the "disco sucks" era. This live version of a classic tune exposes these guys at the top of this thread as total frauds, and establishes me as their mortal enemy! Let me know if anyone has a plan, i'd do just about anything to help destroy them and their kind lol!
a little musical advil lol!
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Post by scumbum on Oct 5, 2013 22:39:58 GMT -6
I know what your talking about Tony ,
Whats weird is the stuff 15-20 years ago , in all things entertainment...movies...TV....music....that I used to think sucked....compared with whats popular today , that stuff I used to think sucked back then , actually blows away everything thats popular today .
Its gotten so bad , the crap back then is now Gold compared with todays stuff .
Music wise , hell at least back then when you popped in a CD you could hear Humans actually playing instruments instead of listening to a computer . And the CD wasn't crushed to Hell . Those two things alone make older music way more enjoyable .
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Post by popmann on Oct 6, 2013 12:06:22 GMT -6
You know what's telling for me is that say there's an artist I like...say they did a record in 2002 or whenever that I didn't really get into--it's still i nthe collection because I like the artist, right? If I put it on NOW...in isolation against what's coming at me in 2013, I think it's genius.
In fact, specific example--I liked Christina Aguilera's first record....the next two I was kind of--I thought they were OK, but not up to the debut. that would've been early 2000s? So--along comes Daly's new thing ZZ Ward. I listened and I thought "it's like Xtina, but not as good". So, I immediately put on Back to the Basics--indeed, it's GREAT next to Ward's debut. Crazy good.
But, yes--the digital content manipulation has a lot to do with a lot of this. As often as it's used as part of the creative process (Garabge...Panic at the Disco) its used more often to produce bleached sanitized third rate versions of past music. I recently listened to all of 30 seconds of Cassiddee Pope's debut due out this week. There you go. Like everything from the NashVegas machine since the millenium, it's been quantized and tuned--but, it's the same three chords. The same beat. Any half way competent band of musicians could toss that album off in a DAY in a studio. Which isn't commentary on her singing--make no mistake. She's a young girl...she seems to be able to carry a tune...but, the material and the band were like you put everything I love--Eagles, Ronstadt, McLachlan/Lillith, put it into a blender with some industrial bleach and pour it out into perfectly shaped molds. I recognize the favor in the distance...
And you know loudness is my pet project. For 30-40 years, EVERY band based record fell into the range of DR15-DR11....regardless of whether it was brutal music like Megadeth or Edie Brickell or the Carpenters or Zeppelin. Now, you're LUCKY if you get a DR7 in pop (most are still DR6-4)-HALF the dynamic range of the previous 35 years of multitracked recordings of rock bands...some who care about fidelity are starting to inch back in the right direction with DR9 releases...but, seriously--so, for the say 35 years when the music industry SOLD records and grew artists, EVERYONE fell into a certain range...but, now, it "needs" to be louder because....? We can? But, that a different thing.
Anyway-back to the clip--I don't find anything objectionable until the guy starts to sing. It sounds like generic rock. But, then he starts to sing in the faux redneck twang that defines the machine's output--you know that people with southern accents who sing don't sounds like that, right? Henley is from Texas. As is Edie Brickell. Robbie Williams doesn't sound British. Singers' accents get LESSENED when they sing properly. You still have little tells...but...as soon as I hear that fake BS, I run. I hate that Steve Earle started that all those years ago. I love Steve....but, he did it...Garth and that era picked up on it--and now someone with a nice rich speaking voice drawl like Tim McGraw has to sing like he's some kind of backwoods caricature. It's replaced pedal steel as the calling card of country music. The above clip is not country music. At all. It's rock. But, they add that "tell". For decades it was steel guitar. Then for a period in the early 2000s, it was banjo (mostly via guit-anjo)--that still around. But, the redneck drawl caricature is THE calling card. Take ANY record you like that isn't country. Sing it like that. Now it's country. Sad.
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2013 13:31:21 GMT -6
Gilbert's Wiki says he dedicated his life to music after crashing his truck while drunk. Really. How inspiring.
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Post by scumbum on Oct 6, 2013 13:37:00 GMT -6
Then for a period in the early 2000s, it was banjo (mostly via guit-anjo)--that still around. But, the redneck drawl caricature is THE calling card. Take ANY record you like that isn't country. Sing it like that. Now it's country. Sad. Thats EXACTLY what I tell people ........Its pop music with a Banjo mixed in the background . And yes that stupid twang , its what alot of Voice Teachers teach , you wanna be a country singer , here add this twang to your voice ......there you go , now all your songs are country and you can take a shot at making it in the country genre .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 14:30:11 GMT -6
This is number one right now, I don't love it but it certainly isn't garbage.
That shit you posted though is god fucking awful and sadly a bunch of people I know come to mind as the target audience who will go apeshit for that song.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 6, 2013 14:35:25 GMT -6
back to the clip--I don't find anything objectionable until the guy starts to sing. It sounds like generic rock. I agree with everything you said in your post including what ever that guy has spewing out his mouth, one caveat, i DO find generic rock objectionable! If the music police showed up while they were out this garbage, they would have bull horned "Put down the instruments, and back away slowly with your hands in the air! That includes you mr engineer, put down the mouse now!" he he..
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 6, 2013 15:11:14 GMT -6
This is number one right now, I don't love it but it certainly isn't garbage. agreed, not garbage, straight to the recycle bin...
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Post by levon on Oct 7, 2013 1:45:11 GMT -6
Gilbert's Wiki says he dedicated his life to music after crashing his truck while drunk. Really. How inspiring. I wish he would've dedicated his life to collecting stamps...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 7, 2013 8:11:03 GMT -6
In the first ten seconds or so of vocals, he says " hillbilly, moonshine whiskey, beer and truck". Hell, they even managed a stripper pole in "the sticks".
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Post by svart on Oct 7, 2013 8:29:49 GMT -6
Heh. replace the singer's voice and you'd have a good hard rock song. I didn't like the vocals, but i did like the song.
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Post by mobeach on Oct 7, 2013 9:36:41 GMT -6
It sounds like Creed spent a week in Georgia. Awful! My band is calling it quits with country for now, the local stations play all the same shit over and over. How do you make a living with something you're sick of?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2013 14:52:23 GMT -6
I guess it's the absolute lack of anything original that's what I'm talking about. The music is godawful, but the lyrics are just...inane. I mean, they're embarrassingly mediocre and uncreative. Every cliche in the book. I don't think the public is necessarily this dumb - I think the labels are just shoving it down the publics throat. In the absence of anything else to listen to, they will eat shit just to stay alive.
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Post by mobeach on Oct 7, 2013 14:55:10 GMT -6
Who are the song writers? Isn't that part of the problem right there?
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Post by mobeach on Oct 7, 2013 14:58:49 GMT -6
Maybe the record company A&R guys are in cahoots with the writers because this is the kind of crap the record companies want out there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 15:04:16 GMT -6
Actually, the production on this top to bottom fucking sucks too. Horrible pumping, no excitement, shitty tones in general.
Bad song. Fuck this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2013 15:19:26 GMT -6
The artist wrote it. That's the problem with everything right now. The Peach Pickers (Ben Hayslip and Rhett Akins) we're also responsible. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peach_PickersThe problem is this - labels are signing these "artists" to 360 deals where they make a large chunk of the publishing. They set these kids up with whomever the "hot" writers are and they turn out this shit. Quality be damned. I don't totally blame the co-writers - they are sitting in a room with an artist staring $300k apiece in the eyes. All they have to do is smile and be able to live with themselves.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 7, 2013 16:07:32 GMT -6
Ummm, speechless. Is this serious? Afraid so. This is why I bemoan even being thought of a "country" guy anymore. It's so bad these days. I mean it's beyond ridiculous and makes me wonder how it's possible these screws in Nashville can't see how repulsive this crap is. Alright, alright, when I was growing up we had Ray Stevens to laugh at. He knew his music was laughable and embraced it. But THESE dimwits must actually think this stuff sounds good? I am once again so disgusted I feel like puking after watching that. I wish Mr. Gilbert would pull that coat off and throw down with me instead of that pussy in the video. I understand that he's a pure douchbag anyway. Be a pleasure to whip his ass.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2013 16:17:19 GMT -6
Ray Stevens was novelty...these aren't novelty songs. At least Honkeytonk Badonkadonk was sung with tongue in cheek...These songs are trying to be serious.
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