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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 9, 2015 9:31:12 GMT -6
Hahaha, i see the modus operandi in John's strange ways of buying and selling gear. I think it is like... 1. GAS 2. buying 3. ownership 4. selling 5. regret at this point there is a chance it restarts at 1. For the same piece of gear of course... Didn't have a choice on the MK-U47. Needed money.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 9, 2015 9:34:46 GMT -6
Hahaha, i see the modus operandi in John's strange ways of buying and selling gear. I think it is like... 1. GAS 2. buying 3. ownership 4. selling 5. regret at this point there is a chance it restarts at 1. For the same piece of gear of course... Didn't have a choice on the MK-U47. Needed money. ...for a sweet RS124 right? When is that coming in? Looks sexy as hell.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 9, 2015 9:37:11 GMT -6
Well, changing pub deals and had to scramble for a couple of months. But yeah, the RS124 is coming supposedly "second week of November"...Actually sold the Sta for that...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 9, 2015 9:44:58 GMT -6
I spoke for a long time with Dr. Mark Fouxman at AES. He is Samar, and he was a fantastic, enthusiastic, real deal guy, sincerely interested in great sound and great music. That mic sounded even better than the great track John posted. I think it might have been the preamp choice that is very important with ribbons. I really don't know, but I think it might have been a Grace.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 9, 2015 15:02:41 GMT -6
Hahaha, i see the modus operandi in John's strange ways of buying and selling gear. I think it is like... 1. GAS 2. buying 3. ownership 4. selling 5. regret at this point there is a chance it restarts at 1. For the same piece of gear of course... Didn't have a choice on the MK-U47. Needed money. I was happy for you when i sent the MKU47 out of here, but i was about equally bummed to let it go...., so i'm quite excited about getting it back and employing some of the ideas that myself and Dr. Shankenstein have in mind for it.... come to papa as kcat said haha 8)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 15:48:26 GMT -6
I spoke for a long time with Dr. Mark Fouxman at AES. He is Samar, and he was a fantastic, enthusiastic, real deal guy, sincerely interested in great sound and great music. That mic sounded even better than the great track John posted. I think it might have been the preamp choice that is very important with ribbons. I really don't know, but I think it might have been a Grace. Ribbons have pretty low output and often need lots of gain (70dB clean gain easily possible with ribbons to get it nice). I guess this was the main reason they were not that popular for a few decades. Also, they *are* picky with loud 'plosives without proper Popkiller. And yes *some* ribbons were not amused about phantom power applied accidentally. This has been exaggerated IMHO and gave the ribbon a reputation as "picky" or "difficult". But there was more buzz and studio babble myth about it, than needed. Ribbons have something very nice, they can be very sensitive over a wide frequency range, the principle is really easy to understand, there is something genious in there. Im glad they had a comeback. Well, actually they were never gone, but had too little attention. But cleaner gain has become cheaper with modern electronics, low noise parts, precision value parts without handpicking etc... Yes. i think the pre is important with ribbons. But same also applies to some dynamic mics, so what? Pure clean gain has become cheaper. But we want the old style more colorful pres with transformer flavour etc., oldschool..and get more color in higher gains obviously. So you have to be careful with the choice because it may have more influence on the recording. There are really some exciting developments in the field of ribbons at affordable prices for high sound quality.
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Post by Ward on Nov 9, 2015 16:06:14 GMT -6
I spoke for a long time with Dr. Mark Fouxman at AES. He is Samar, and he was a fantastic, enthusiastic, real deal guy, sincerely interested in great sound and great music. That mic sounded even better than the great track John posted. I think it might have been the preamp choice that is very important with ribbons. I really don't know, but I think it might have been a Grace. I use a grace M101 with RCA, Royer, Fostex and other ribbon mics. It is a great choice, especially considering its 'ribbon mode'.
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Post by svart on Nov 9, 2015 19:34:56 GMT -6
My R121 doesn't really need any more gain than my dynamics.. Just saying..
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 10, 2015 4:14:13 GMT -6
My R121 doesn't really need any more gain than my dynamics.. Just saying.. Same thought here. Put it on a guitar amp or drums and you really don't need much gain. If your recording delicate finger-picking or perhaps a chipmunk scurrying across the snow I can see the need for 70+ dB of gain......
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 10, 2015 8:55:57 GMT -6
My R121 doesn't really need any more gain than my dynamics.. Just saying.. Same thought here. Put it on a guitar amp or drums and you really don't need much gain. If your recording delicate finger-picking or perhaps a chipmunk scurrying across the snow I can see the need for 70+ dB of gain...... this lack of output/sensitivity is why ribbons are most popular for high spl sources, the thinner the ribbon the better sensitivity for quieter sources, and higher the output generally, i believe Mark is using 1.8m or thinner ribbons in his mics, the R121 is 2.5m, where as a run of the mill chinese ribbon is anywhere from 3 to 6m!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 10, 2015 9:05:23 GMT -6
Yup those mics are beautiful, sound good too!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 11, 2015 10:13:29 GMT -6
I have several singers who can be 3 feet back from a ribbon and drive a 50dB preamp 10dB past a typical +18dBu converter input, and they can sing that loud all day long.
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Post by markfouxman on Nov 11, 2015 21:50:22 GMT -6
I spoke for a long time with Dr. Mark Fouxman at AES. He is Samar, and he was a fantastic, enthusiastic, real deal guy, sincerely interested in great sound and great music. That mic sounded even better than the great track John posted. I think it might have been the preamp choice that is very important with ribbons. I really don't know, but I think it might have been a Grace. Hello Martin, I wish we used Grace this time... that was a lowish Apogee MiniMe, but it is already set--next show we will have Grace, LOL. Indeed, the preamp is very important, however, one should not underestimate the importance of... cables--they have inductance, reactance, capacitance, resistance, let alone microphonics. All of those have a great impact on the sound of a passive ribbon and are a very important part of the load. So far we found a cable of our choice--Grimm Audio TPR. It makes a big and definite sonic improvement with our mics in comparison to more common Mogame, or Canare... Best, Mark
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 11, 2015 22:28:01 GMT -6
Great to "see" you again Mark! I'll send you a PM tomorrow, it's been a long day.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 11, 2015 23:22:33 GMT -6
I spoke for a long time with Dr. Mark Fouxman at AES. He is Samar, and he was a fantastic, enthusiastic, real deal guy, sincerely interested in great sound and great music. That mic sounded even better than the great track John posted. I think it might have been the preamp choice that is very important with ribbons. I really don't know, but I think it might have been a Grace. Hello Martin, I wish we used Grace this time... that was a lowish Apogee MiniMe, but it is already set--next show we will have Grace, LOL. Indeed, the preamp is very important, however, one should not underestimate the importance of... cables--they have inductance, reactance, capacitance, resistance, let alone microphonics. All of those have a great impact on the sound of a passive ribbon and are a very important part of the load. So far we found a cable of our choice--Grimm Audio TPR. It makes a big and definite sonic improvement with our mics in comparison to more common Mogame, or Canare... Best, Mark does this cable have lower impedance rating or ? i wasn't able to find specs on it at all.... How does it compare to the belden low impedance mic cable?
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Post by markfouxman on Nov 11, 2015 23:59:15 GMT -6
Hello Martin, I wish we used Grace this time... that was a lowish Apogee MiniMe, but it is already set--next show we will have Grace, LOL. Indeed, the preamp is very important, however, one should not underestimate the importance of... cables--they have inductance, reactance, capacitance, resistance, let alone microphonics. All of those have a great impact on the sound of a passive ribbon and are a very important part of the load. So far we found a cable of our choice--Grimm Audio TPR. It makes a big and definite sonic improvement with our mics in comparison to more common Mogame, or Canare... Best, Mark does this cable have lower impedance rating or ? i wasn't able to find specs on it at all.... How does it compare to the belden low impedance mic cable? Here is the link for TPR: www.grimmaudio.com/site/assets/files/1086/grimm_tpr_leaflet.pdfThe closest sized Belden I could find was 1812A: www.markertek.com/Attachments/Specifications/Belden/BL-1812A-1000%20BK-Specifications.pdfFrom the specs the TPR resistance per conductor is about the same, but the capacitance is almost 3 times lower. The inductance is not specified for the TPR (can measure tomorrow). Best, M
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Post by delcampo on Nov 12, 2015 8:49:12 GMT -6
Indeed, the preamp is very important, however, one should not underestimate the importance of... cables--they have inductance, reactance, capacitance, resistance, let alone microphonics. All of those have a great impact on the sound of a passive ribbon and are a very important part of the load. So far we found a cable of our choice--Grimm Audio TPR. It makes a big and definite sonic improvement with our mics in comparison to more common Mogame, or Canare... Best, Mark I took your advice on this last year Mark. I got one these 10 footers fwiw... www.ebay.com/itm/GRIMM-TPR-BLACK-XLR-CABLE-BALANCED-MICROPHONE-CABLE-w-NEUTRIK-GOLD-10-FEET-/370964878634?hash=item565f3ad52a:g:1nUAAMXQVT9SrXu3I do think it makes a somewhat appreciable difference. Especially when tracks adding up. I'm mostly running into tube pres (like some modded Magnacords) and also WSW which are very nice. I'd like to hear the high gain AEA ribbon pre, or similar, at some point as I admittedly have to deal with low level sources much of the time making gain staging a balancing act. But 0% complaints all in all.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2015 9:12:42 GMT -6
Indeed, the preamp is very important, however, one should not underestimate the importance of... cables--they have inductance, reactance, capacitance, resistance, let alone microphonics. All of those have a great impact on the sound of a passive ribbon and are a very important part of the load. So far we found a cable of our choice--Grimm Audio TPR. It makes a big and definite sonic improvement with our mics in comparison to more common Mogame, or Canare... Best, Mark I took your advice on this last year Mark. I got one these 10 footers fwiw... www.ebay.com/itm/GRIMM-TPR-BLACK-XLR-CABLE-BALANCED-MICROPHONE-CABLE-w-NEUTRIK-GOLD-10-FEET-/370964878634?hash=item565f3ad52a:g:1nUAAMXQVT9SrXu3I do think it makes a somewhat appreciable difference. Especially when tracks adding up. I'm mostly running into tube pres (like some modded Magnacords) and also WSW which are very nice. I'd like to hear the high gain AEA ribbon pre, or similar, at some point as I admittedly have to deal with low level sources much of the time making gain staging a balancing act. But 0% complaints all in all. any info on the Magnecord mods?
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Post by delcampo on Nov 12, 2015 19:08:57 GMT -6
any info on the Magnecord mods? I'm really not sure what the tech specifically did but it was basically just streamlining the audio path & attention to impedance for mic vrs line. The PT6's can be a big sounding tube pre for not much money.
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Post by henge on Nov 13, 2015 12:08:09 GMT -6
Been through this thread a couple of times. Loved the examples Johnkenn posted. Think I'll pull the trigger on this puppy!
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Post by henge on Nov 14, 2015 10:48:57 GMT -6
Trigger pulled! The waiting is the hardest part...
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Post by henge on Nov 14, 2015 11:35:56 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2015 11:47:34 GMT -6
i haven't heard my samar modded ribbons with a special cable beyond my low impedance belden cables, but if Mark is saying it makes a difference? I believe him, he's been a long time trusted member over at GDIY, he's not going to make something up for the sake of a sale, doesn't fit his character as i know it over there(especially considering he doesn't sell that cable and stand to profit from it...) edit; i would also add that if a mic cable makes a diff at all, it would seem to apply to ribbon mic even more significantly based on their need for so much gain.
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Post by henge on Nov 14, 2015 11:52:52 GMT -6
i haven't heard my samar modded ribbons with a special cable beyond my low impedance belden cables, but if Mark is saying it makes a difference? I believe him, he's been a long time trusted member over at GDIY, he's not going to make something up for the sake of a sale, doesn't fit his character as i know it over there(especially considering he doesn't sell that cable and stand to profit from it...) edit; i would also add that if a mic cable makes a diff at all, it would seem to apply to ribbon mic even more significantly based on their need for so much gain. Thanks man, makes sense.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 14, 2015 11:58:26 GMT -6
Maybe you should try and see if you like it without the extra dough.
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