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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 27, 2013 10:58:28 GMT -6
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Post by Mark Kano on Sept 27, 2013 11:40:44 GMT -6
You get some really nice intimate vocal sounds Cowboy. What does your vocal tracking setup look like? Treated room? I'm assuming everyone and their grandma is using some sort of reflexion filter nowadays? For my last record I had that plus a giant duvet hung on my wall behind the mic that really helped to keep things tight for me.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Sept 27, 2013 12:28:15 GMT -6
I hope your not having any buyers remorse...sounds really nice on my end Cowboy.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 27, 2013 13:06:45 GMT -6
I'll post a pic later Mark, thanks.
No buyers remorse here, Ken. My jaw is hanging, man. Plugged it up to the Martech after posting this and my Gawd the sound. I'll let you hear it when it's finished. Really great mic.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Sept 27, 2013 13:17:12 GMT -6
I'll post a pic later Mark, thanks. No buyers remorse here, Ken. My jaw is hanging, man. Plugged it up to the Martech after posting this and my Gawd the sound. I'll let you hear it when it's finished. Really great mic. Great...I am glad to hear that and Ill be glad to hear that when its finished. |
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Post by henge on Sept 27, 2013 15:16:47 GMT -6
Absolutely gorgeous sound. Not just the mic...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 27, 2013 15:41:43 GMT -6
Thanks Anton. Heres a pic of my humble tracking room for Matt.  Attachments:
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Post by Mark Kano on Sept 27, 2013 16:17:00 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing! Nothing wrong with humble. I know that all too well. Good is what counts! So you tend to sing into the corner wall?
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 27, 2013 17:29:46 GMT -6
nice cowboy!, is it rude for me to ask how much $ you paid for it?
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Post by popmann on Sept 27, 2013 18:31:11 GMT -6
To be so old...ha...there is only a single better vocal mic, IME...and it's the m269-same mic, different tube. There was one for sale recently (locally) but it was molested. New capsule. I just don't trust that...you start messing with those old ones and you might as well buy a new one, you know?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 27, 2013 18:56:16 GMT -6
nice cowboy!, is it rude for me to ask how much $ you paid for it? Errm, a lot. I'm the third owner. It was originally owned by NBC in Washington DC. It's in really good shape...to be so old  |
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Post by popmann on Sept 27, 2013 19:42:34 GMT -6
Maybe someday McBride will have a fire sale and I'll pick up a 269...but....since asking seems to be north of $8k now...and the tubes are like $500/ea...lets just say I don't think that much of my own caterwauling.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2013 9:24:07 GMT -6
You suck
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2013 9:24:50 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 12:07:30 GMT -6
lol
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 28, 2013 21:01:41 GMT -6
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Post by Shannon on Oct 5, 2013 21:03:41 GMT -6
Congrats on the u67. I know a guy that restores those and builds killer capsules if you ever need anything I can put you in touch with him  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 5, 2013 22:24:43 GMT -6
Dang cowboy, that's scary good. Sounds amazing, tone and a half baby. Congratulations ! Did you retire a few of your other mics to pay for it, or were you able to hold on to them too?
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Post by popmann on Oct 7, 2013 18:56:08 GMT -6
Well, I don't think you NEED another mic for vocals. Ever.
Seriously, I just don't know what's wrong with mic makers that they keep chasing the 251 dragon...as if that's somehow the ultimate vocal mic. Maybe it's because there are fewer of the real deals...thus fewer fair comparions. I put out the word some time ago that any modern mic maker who thought they had the M269, I'd buy a pair at full retail*--but, I'm a phone call away from a pair and it WILL be compared. If it does as well--I buy. But, they ALL....NONE of them would take me up on it. Because they know they're lying. they're making mics they think sound nice but would not stand up to direct comparison by someone who knows what they're doing and what to listen for.
Offer still stands. Back in the day...I had everything everything that was even hinted sounded "in the 67 vein"...the ONLY not 67/m269 that was equal? AN Innertube modded U87i...which McBride wouldn't sell--but, was a single mic with a weird history--ikey a tweaked cap, because other 87AIs with the same Innertube amp were NOT all that. Good, mind you...lots of "good"...I'm telling you--if you want a cautionary tale of what NOT to do? What I did. Since the 87i had always worked well on my voice, Rolff suggested an M269c...and everything else was "not that".
*depending on what full retail is...technically, there are some that it would be too rich for my blood to get two, but...the makers in the discussion tout their Chinese wares and mods to Chinese wares...so, none of them made mics over like $1500...
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 7, 2013 19:11:20 GMT -6
The legitimacy of a vintage U67 goes without saying, the mic cowboy displayed is very very nice indeed! But for those who might want something in that vicinity, do this www.vintagemicrophonepcbkit.com/DU67.html It will cost a fraction of an original, and No one will be able to tell the diff in a blind. A U67 is not voodoo electronically, the capsule, tube and tranny is a bit of voodoo. I'd suggest getting Ioaudio BV12 transformers, a Neumann k67 capsule/or shannon at mic rehab to tweak another HQ K67 capsule, and Christian Whitmore for your pre tested/low noise tubes. It will be every bit of a U67. you're welcome T |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 7, 2013 20:30:59 GMT -6
That file I posted didn't do justice to how good this mic is. I've been pairing it up differently and using way less input saturation. It sounds better to me without it. So smooth by itself. Loves my Martech. It's the real deal, a true heavy weight. I'd say Jeff's 251 is better from what I've heard though. Love to get them together and see the difference. BTW, this is THE mic for tracking fiddle. Never have I gotten as good a sound as I am now. It's made for high gain stuff. Great in front of an amp, too. Love it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2013 20:53:49 GMT -6
Well, I don't think you NEED another mic for vocals. Ever. Seriously, I just don't know what's wrong with mic makers that they keep chasing the 251 dragon...as if that's somehow the ultimate vocal mic. Maybe it's because there are fewer of the real deals...thus fewer fair comparions. I put out the word some time ago that any modern mic maker who thought they had the M269, I'd buy a pair at full retail*--but, I'm a phone call away from a pair and it WILL be compared. If it does as well--I buy. But, they ALL....NONE of them would take me up on it. Because they know they're lying. they're making mics they think sound nice but would not stand up to direct comparison by someone who knows what they're doing and what to listen for. Offer still stands. Back in the day...I had everything everything that was even hinted sounded "in the 67 vein"...the ONLY not 67/m269 that was equal? AN Innertube modded U87i...which McBride wouldn't sell--but, was a single mic with a weird history--ikey a tweaked cap, because other 87AIs with the same Innertube amp were NOT all that. Good, mind you...lots of "good"...I'm telling you--if you want a cautionary tale of what NOT to do? What I did. Since the 87i had always worked well on my voice, Rolff suggested an M269c...and everything else was "not that". *depending on what full retail is...technically, there are some that it would be too rich for my blood to get two, but...the makers in the discussion tout their Chinese wares and mods to Chinese wares...so, none of them made mics over like $1500... the challenge has been laid down... |
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Post by popmann on Oct 7, 2013 21:13:25 GMT -6
Yeah...Millenia all the way here with the vintage guys. that's the thing--I do vocals with the 610 with the mics I own. But, when I have one of Blackbird's gems....Millenia all the way. You hear the nuanced sweetness of the "old".
Re: the DIY....that's been done in the last 6 months. Never heard anything of the clones I couldn't tell blind. That said--I've not heard that new DIY--but, that's not something I"m gonna do. I don't count being a EE or more importantly a capsule tweaker on my resume. Gotta draw the line somewhere. BTW--if you're gonna do it, I'd be really careful with a K67. They're HORRIBLY inconsistent capsules NOW. I'd think you'd be better off working with someone making a modern clone capsule who's willing to send you say 5-10 of them and have you send 8 back (if making a pair). It would actually be a better deal for someone to make a 87i conversion kit. Those capsules were more consistent. I've had 4 87i mics here for a session--serials over a decade apart--virtually identical. Meanwhile, the AIs I've had decent and utterly lousy ones. And have had Blackbird's Innertube 87i and 87AI--NOT the same, despite talking to Stayne about them being the exact same amp with a different pinout for the cap.
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Post by popmann on Oct 7, 2013 22:01:57 GMT -6
Well, I don't think you NEED another mic for vocals. Ever. Seriously, I just don't know what's wrong with mic makers that they keep chasing the 251 dragon...as if that's somehow the ultimate vocal mic. Maybe it's because there are fewer of the real deals...thus fewer fair comparions. I put out the word some time ago that any modern mic maker who thought they had the M269, I'd buy a pair at full retail*--but, I'm a phone call away from a pair and it WILL be compared. If it does as well--I buy. But, they ALL....NONE of them would take me up on it. Because they know they're lying. they're making mics they think sound nice but would not stand up to direct comparison by someone who knows what they're doing and what to listen for. Offer still stands. Back in the day...I had everything everything that was even hinted sounded "in the 67 vein"...the ONLY not 67/m269 that was equal? AN Innertube modded U87i...which McBride wouldn't sell--but, was a single mic with a weird history--ikey a tweaked cap, because other 87AIs with the same Innertube amp were NOT all that. Good, mind you...lots of "good"...I'm telling you--if you want a cautionary tale of what NOT to do? What I did. Since the 87i had always worked well on my voice, Rolff suggested an M269c...and everything else was "not that". *depending on what full retail is...technically, there are some that it would be too rich for my blood to get two, but...the makers in the discussion tout their Chinese wares and mods to Chinese wares...so, none of them made mics over like $1500... the challenge has been laid down... What have I gotten myself into? Ha. Didn't I read that one guy bought up the like every old AC701 tube in the world of something and was sitting on them? I know BobO maintains that the difference I hear is not the tube, but that the 67s have been rode hard, so to speak, where the 269s got spared most of the spittle...but, I'm telling you--add a big high shelf to a 269, and it's instant 80s male vocalist "air". 67, not so much. I don't know that I could tell a lot of difference flat....but, lift the high end, and the 269 becomes like Huey Lewis meets Steve Perry meets Bryan Adams tone all day. But, I do think, grand scheme, it's the negative feedback...and now that AMI is making the repro transformer, maybe we'll start to see some decent cloneage. BTW--if someone actually has a proposition, hit me up before I get a Burl B2....I can hold off if I'm gonna need the cash around for a fab 269 clone.  |
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Post by category5 on Oct 7, 2013 22:20:12 GMT -6
Thanks Anton. Heres a pic of my humble tracking room for Matt. Herbie, that mic is obviously in good hands! Curious as to why I never hear you mention the 84 in the picture man. When i first got that mic I was bananas for it. Smoooooooooth. Of course, now that you've got a real 67. ;-) |
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