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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 29, 2015 10:11:53 GMT -6
I have been borrowing a 1U version of the TBDD Dimension D. It sounds really great, I'm gonna build one now. A lot better then any of the Dimesion D plugins. I am wondering if there are any tricks guys who have one do a lot with them. Or is there a standard way they are used historically. Just wanting to get a conversation going about Dimension D. Who's got one? horvitz any info from you would be good as well. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 29, 2015 10:34:54 GMT -6
I didn't know there was a kit. I have the UA plug but wish it were more subtle. What is it you prefer about the real box ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2015 10:47:49 GMT -6
Yes, I'd like 3 or 4 more increments, before even reaching preset 1 on the UAD plug. It's usually too much, and I opt not to use it.
On occasion, it's great, because it sounds like it sounds. I have other similar effects, so the DD, has some real competition. What I really wish I could trade off is the Fatso, I'd gladly trade a DD and the Fatso for the Ocean Way plug if only UAD would allow that.
If I spent $300 on a piece of gear, I've bought it, I own it, and can lend or give it to anyone. How companies get away with "licensing" and then controlling who I can give my purchase to seems like an unfair business practice, though I'm sure it's perfectly legal at the moment.
I think a company might deserve a transfer fee, say.. $25. Maybe I should start another thread.
I don't recall ever seeing a Dimension D in studios, was I just not looking?
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 29, 2015 11:43:45 GMT -6
The real one attaches to the sound so much better. I have been using setting #2 mostly. I have it on an AUX and blend to taste.
The UAD one doesn't sound near as good to me as the TBDD. I actually really like the TBDD and the UAD rarely gets used. Its kind of lame. A few other plugin companies have them as well and they are different but just as lame.
I have never really liked chorus or flanger FX that much but this thing sounds very cool. Setting #4 can be way to much for me, but settings 2 and 3 sound really great.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 29, 2015 11:52:47 GMT -6
is the kit still available ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2015 12:02:05 GMT -6
I briefly looked up the TBDD Dimension D and $865 seems awfully high for a chorus. I'd sure as hell look at a Heritage audio 1073 first if I had a lunchbox, but maybe it's worth it if you have everything else in order and like the DD. I'd spend that kind of coin elsewhere.
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Post by ericn on Aug 29, 2015 12:30:09 GMT -6
I have been borrowing a 1U version of the TBDD Dimension D. It sounds really great, I'm gonna build one now. A lot better then any of the Dimesion D plugins. I am wondering if there are any tricks guys who have one do a lot with them. Or is there a standard way they are used historically. Just wanting to get a conversation going about Dimension D. Who's got one? horvitz any info from you would be good as well. I have found myself close to biting on that kit many times , it's been way to long since I had my hands on a good one to remember any great sittings. It was one of those boxes where it was cool for what it added rather than what it was supposed to do ! You will want more! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2015 12:37:32 GMT -6
What are you using it on? Acoustics?
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Post by Randge on Aug 29, 2015 14:18:28 GMT -6
I sometimes use the UA plug but I never use it as an insert. I put it on a send and dial it up gradually until I have plenty and roll it back a DB to be safe. They can make a mix really cool or totally cheese it up if you aren't careful.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2015 14:19:50 GMT -6
Yeah - it can go 80's really quick. I have been using the Soundtoys Micro Shift for the effect too on high strung's.
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 29, 2015 14:27:01 GMT -6
I like it on a lot of things, which is kind of a problem. It seems to sound great on vocals, acoustics and mandolins and fiddles. So, I have to pick how much and when. I am wondering are they historically great one thing or another, with one specific setting or is it just use a smattering on a number of things?
Yeah, don't use it as a insert, send to it!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2015 14:32:28 GMT -6
I sometimes use the UA plug but I never use it as an insert. I put it on a send and dial it up gradually until I have plenty and roll it back a DB to be safe. They can make a mix really cool or totally cheese it up if you aren't careful. Dang Randge, that's cool. It seemed obvious once you mentioned it, and kind of brilliant! Why didn't I think of that! |
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Post by Randge on Aug 29, 2015 14:41:54 GMT -6
I do that with any kind of modulation effects.
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Post by horvitz on Aug 29, 2015 14:42:41 GMT -6
Hi guys. So on the kit, I don't offer full DIY kits anymore but just the PCB to build a rack version. This is a pretty advanced build with some hard to find parts, but still plenty achievable. I only have a couple boards left and then they'll be gone forever. Wasn't real popular given the difficulty. Dan, you ask how people are finding creative ways to use it. Randy hit the nail on the head. Mostly, I hear from people that they hang it on an aux and then you can dial it down to taste. Personally, I like to do it that way and leave it on a pretty extreme setting like 1+4, and then just send little bits here and there. Of course on mine, you can also use the blend knob to achieve the same. You can also get it to do some super wild stuff if you feed it back on itself. Gets real swirly. I've always had in mind to try taking the stereo out from one and into the mono inputs of two more. Could get crazy. I have a lot of synth guys for customers and I bet they do some interesting things with it. FYI, Randy, there is an demo TBDD nearby you right now with someone you know. Might be able to get it to you if you're interested in checking it out. That is, if it doesn't just stay where it is permanently, which I hope it does! Martin, I hear you on the price. Unfortunately, it is a very involved circuit and I cut no corners. I wish there was a simpler way to do it. John, you say "it can go 80's rally quick" like it's a bad thing!! It's for all your Peter Gabriel vocal needs  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2015 14:48:10 GMT -6
Hey - I love the 80's...I meant on acoustic guitars.
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Post by ragan on Aug 29, 2015 14:53:27 GMT -6
I use the UAD version all the time. Always on a parallel aux. I absolutely love it. Wide BGVs EQ'd and squashed to hell and back with some Dimension D sprinkled in gets Queen-y real quick. Also on lead vocals. Bringing up the aux gently gives a really nice gentles flange/movement without sounding modulated. It creates a nice space without being obvious.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2015 15:13:45 GMT -6
I do that with any kind of modulation effects. Range, even when there's a blend available on the GUI? Ragan, I love how you do those "Queenish" BGV's! So, you don't put it on a send like Randy, do you copy the track, add effects, and then dial in the amount? |
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 29, 2015 19:57:56 GMT -6
Hi guys. So on the kit, I don't offer full DIY kits anymore but just the PCB to build a rack version. This is a pretty advanced build with some hard to find parts, but still plenty achievable. I only have a couple boards left and then they'll be gone forever. Wasn't real popular given the difficulty. Dan, you ask how people are finding creative ways to use it. Randy hit the nail on the head. Mostly, I hear from people that they hang it on an aux and then you can dial it down to taste. Personally, I like to do it that way and leave it on a pretty extreme setting like 1+4, and then just send little bits here and there. Of course on mine, you can also use the blend knob to achieve the same. You can also get it to do some super wild stuff if you feed it back on itself. Gets real swirly. I've always had in mind to try taking the stereo out from one and into the mono inputs of two more. Could get crazy. I have a lot of synth guys for customers and I bet they do some interesting things with it. FYI, Randy, there is an demo TBDD nearby you right now with someone you know. Might be able to get it to you if you're interested in checking it out. That is, if it doesn't just stay where it is permanently, which I hope it does! Martin, I hear you on the price. Unfortunately, it is a very involved circuit and I cut no corners. I wish there was a simpler way to do it. John, you say "it can go 80's rally quick" like it's a bad thing!! It's for all your Peter Gabriel vocal needs Good stuff. I never thought of trying 1+4! That is the kind of things I'm talking about. Brian, do you think most guys send to it mono or stereo? I am currently sending to it mono off of one of the Neve AUX's and using a "Y" cable to both inputs and returning stereo of course. Any classic settings for Vocals's? |
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 29, 2015 20:05:55 GMT -6
Range, even when there's a blend available on the GUI? It makes the most sense to send to FX that you will use on multiple instruments. Then you can share the DSP load and adjust how much blend you want into it. You can also then treat the return of the FX with eq/compression/whatever differently then the original source. This give you plenty of options. Of course there are times you may want different settings on the same FX for different sources. Then you just set up another instance of the FX. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 29, 2015 20:23:03 GMT -6
Makes sense, thanks Dan.
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Post by ragan on Aug 30, 2015 1:05:04 GMT -6
I do that with any kind of modulation effects. Range, even when there's a blend available on the GUI? Ragan, I love how you do those "Queenish" BGV's! So, you don't put it on a send like Randy, do you copy the track, add effects, and then dial in the amount? No it's on an aux. I just blend it to taste with the original. |
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Post by horvitz on Aug 30, 2015 3:18:45 GMT -6
Good stuff. I never thought of trying 1+4! That is the kind of things I'm talking about. Brian, do you think most guys send to it mono or stereo? I am currently sending to it mono off of one of the Neve AUX's and using a "Y" cable to both inputs and returning stereo of course. Any classic settings for Vocals's? The Y cable isn't actually doing you any good here. If the unit is set to mono and you have a signal just on the mono input (right side), that signal is simply sent to both right and left channels internally. Essentially, the same thing that you're doing with the cable. In this configuration, I'd recommend using it with stereo inputs. Consider that each of the outputs is still made up of about 50% dry signal, even with the blend at full wet. That means that your stereo image is still maintained through, even if the effect spreads it out a bit. So say you have something hard-pan and then you send it to the DD up the middle, you'll be pulling that thing back toward center, which you may not want. |
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Post by horvitz on Aug 30, 2015 3:23:49 GMT -6
Of course there are times you may want different settings on the same FX for different sources. Then you just set up another instance of the FX. Be careful of this on a mix. Even though the action of the LFO is subtle and slow, having multiple instances oscillating against each other can be weird. It will also be different each time you listen. Although perhaps when using the plugin, there's some sort of coordination. I wouldn't do this with multiple hardware units. |
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Post by Randge on Aug 30, 2015 20:00:58 GMT -6
Range, even when there's a blend available on the GUI? Ragan, I love how you do those "Queenish" BGV's! So, you don't put it on a send like Randy, do you copy the track, add effects, and then dial in the amount? No it's on an aux. I just blend it to taste with the original. Yes, I still do, as it is far easier in Cubase. I can send the effect to multiple instruments if I want to and not have to use another instance. Panning for the effect is right there for each channel and it makes it faster for me to make all the effects work together before any automation is done all on the send area of each Cubase channel. It is easier to mirror image another instrument by simple copy and paste, if you so incline to do that, thus making the process faster easier and more controllable at mix time. |
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Post by rickcarson on Sept 2, 2015 3:01:04 GMT -6
1+4
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