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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 15, 2015 18:48:57 GMT -6
At least it seems like I mix better. Or could it be the old bar band effect I had in college? I played in the house band at Austin City Saloon in Lexington in the early 90's. Free drinks to the band and I took good advantage. Never played better in my life than on that stage. Or so I thought until I heard a few board recordings later lol.
But seriously, I honestly think I DO mix better when I unwind a bit and I just don't care so much. I'm just enjoying the music while I mix instead of fussing over every mix decision. If it sounds good, it is good, right?
What says the brethren??
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Post by mulmany on Aug 15, 2015 18:57:02 GMT -6
How much drinking we talking about?
The test would be if the mixes hold up a few days later.
I think its always easier when you are not stressed about how you are mixing, or anything else in life for that matter!
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Post by tasteliketape on Aug 15, 2015 19:11:46 GMT -6
I'm with Mulmany if they hold up the next day
also like going I n studio to record not good to be tensed up
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Post by ragan on Aug 15, 2015 19:36:48 GMT -6
I guess I'd have to try a mix without beer to find out. NO THANKS : )
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Post by M57 on Aug 15, 2015 19:57:10 GMT -6
Only one way to know for sure.. A/B
Rules: Mix the tune of your choice - give yourself a reasonable window of time, but not too long. Save and zero things out. Wait at least one week - no listening to your mix allowed. Mix the same tune with a brew in one hand (one-handed mixing - jeesh, that's a handicap right there). Post both mixes with no information regarding which is which. Flip a coin to determine which goes first.
Judging Format (That's us): Listen to both mixes both W and W/O recreational enhancement of your choice. Might as well test our listening skills in altered states to see how it affects the other end. For those of you who abstain, one set of comments is enough.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 15, 2015 20:12:11 GMT -6
My ears tend to ring when i drink... so for me probably not.
Wiz and I were talking about something like this the other day, except the other direction..., it seems when someone you respect walks into the room, you step it up a notch, and suddenly you focus and hear better, re adjust things that now seem obviously wrong, and proceed to mix better.... at least until they leave and you get lazy again 8)
Anyone else notice this?
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Post by nobtwiddler on Aug 15, 2015 20:16:41 GMT -6
HA...
This is a good one...
And hits very close to home for me.
Some of you might know, here in my joint I have a private pub for my clients.
It's called BarFunGul, and it's been in operation for the last 18 years.
Anyhow, this pub is in a (separate space away from the studio area.
I pride myself in offering over 150 exotic beers, and always have 4 Belgian Beers on tap.
On tap this week:
St. Bernardus ABT-12
Duvel
Kwak
Delirium Tremens
No local (American) crap allowed here.
Anyhow long story short, I never allow myself to drink during a session, only after I am done...now the band or artist can do whatever they like, but NOT at my pub until we are DONE!
Long story short, I've been thru this mixing on beer thing for the last 20 years give or take.
And I always think after drinking a few Belgians the mixes are fantastic, and I'm stoked...
That is, until the next morning when I listen again with fresh ears.
That being said,
I mix totally straight, and when I have a mix I like, and I'm done for the day, I will pour myself a goblet of something special, take a listen, and possibly take notes if there are changes to be made in the morning.
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Post by tasteliketape on Aug 15, 2015 20:19:02 GMT -6
I've noticed that I have a friend with (golden ears) and when he comes over to mix at my place seems like i can hear every nuance he does when he leaves seems like i cant hear shit when I'd do it lol
referring to Tony post
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 15, 2015 20:23:15 GMT -6
Ear goggles.
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Post by yotonic on Aug 15, 2015 20:38:01 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 15, 2015 20:44:01 GMT -6
A little beer can help, it or any drug can make you take risks you normally wouldn't , but you have to know the point where it gets in the way.
This from the guy who lives ion a constant 50 Mics of Fentynol per hour .
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 15, 2015 20:51:34 GMT -6
HA... This is a good one... And hits very close to home for me. Some of you might know, here in my joint I have a private pub for my clients. It's called BarFunGul, and it's been in operation for the last 18 years. Anyhow, this pub is in a (separate space away from the studio area. I pride myself in offering over 150 exotic beers, and always have 4 Belgian Beers on tap. On tap this week: St. Bernardus ABT-12 Duvel Kwak Delirium Tremens No local (American) crap allowed here. Anyhow long story short, I never allow myself to drink during a session, only after I am done...now the band or artist can do whatever they like, but NOT at my pub until we are DONE! Long story short, I've been thru this mixing on beer thing for the last 20 years give or take. And I always think after drinking a few Belgians the mixes are fantastic, and I'm stoked... That is, until the next morning when I listen again with fresh ears. That being said, I mix totally straight, and when I have a mix I like, and I'm done for the day, I will pour myself a goblet of something special, take a listen, and possibly take notes if there are changes to be made in the morning. You might be the coolest guy I "know". I'd love to come sit in at your place sometime. Anyway, I feel better overall after a couple drinks. Not to the point of getting drunk, but a little loose. I feel like I hit my stride, but, the band is usually hitting their stride at thag point too, so it's probably ay least as much them as me. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 15, 2015 21:35:37 GMT -6
A little beer can help, it or any drug can make you take risks you normally wouldn't , but you have to know the point where it gets in the way. This from the guy who lives ion a constant 50 Mics of Fentynol per hour . I like this post. All above are good as well. I think moderation here is key. No way anyone can do anything as well sloshed. However, a couple to take the edge off seems to help me. I should also add that I don't drink often. Hardly ever actually. But a couple every once in awhile to keep me honest doesn't hurt  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 16, 2015 8:01:40 GMT -6
It's all about changing perspective, a few glasses of beer is just one way to do it . Most of the ceremonies in religions and the meditations, chants and rituals are mainly about shifting your focus and awareness.
I don't trust myself mixing any way but clear, but I've discovered a new treat lately, hard cider. A friend brought a 4 pack over for a party and I left it in the fridge for a month, thinking, I ain't drinking no stinking cider. I broke down one night when I didn't want any wine or beer and tried it, and wow, it's lighter than beer, and the same potency, and actually tastes great, somewhere between a beer and champagne. Now at gigs, I'll allow myself one hard cider before playing if I'm in the mood. And one during the break if I'm feeling good.
Try it, you'll like it. I researched and discovered it was the dominant alcoholic beverage throughout the revolutionary war period, who knew?
Cowboy, so, did the beer mixes hold up in the light of day?
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Post by swurveman on Aug 16, 2015 8:03:05 GMT -6
Legend has it that The Rolling Stones "Exile On Main Street" is so trebly because they were drunk during the mixing process.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 16, 2015 9:30:47 GMT -6
Ha, Martin John Butler turns out I like lots of dynamic and loud vocals. Doesn't sound bad but not quite as polished as I'd normally mix. Here's the morning after mix for reference. db.tt/LkXv9kCX |
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Post by noah shain on Aug 16, 2015 11:10:24 GMT -6
A lot of those "trebly" records were mixed at still functioning studios here in LA. Hahahaha. It wasn't always beer that made them mix trebly!
I think you could get a pretty zippy buzz if you lean in close to some of the producer desks and sniff really hard!
I mix better when everyone else is drinking!!
Hahahha
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Post by stratboy on Aug 16, 2015 11:16:05 GMT -6
I go with the school of thought that says the morning after is what counts. My love affair with pot ended when I was working at a big LA studio and one night, I did three mixes of a song. After each mix, I smoked a little something and wrapped it up for the night, thinking the third mix was the best. The next day, I listened to all three and the exact opposite was true. Objectively, the first (straight) mix was the best. Proof, as far as I was concerned, that I mix better sober. Ymmv.
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Post by stratboy on Aug 16, 2015 11:17:57 GMT -6
A lot of those "trebly" records were mixed at still functioning studios here in LA. Hahahaha. It wasn't always beer that made them mix trebly! I think you could get a pretty zippy buzz if you lean in close to some of the producer desks and sniff really hard! I mix better when everyone else is drinking!! Hahahha Lmfao! So true! |
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Post by matt on Aug 16, 2015 13:00:10 GMT -6
I guess I'd have to try a mix without beer to find out. NO THANKS : ) I'm with you, ragan. But I don't mix anyone else, so there's no pressure to produce beyond my own expectations for my music. Besides, anyone who thinks a bunch of musicians getting together to play is anything but a party is fooling themselves. Practice, schmactice. It's a meeting of the Brotherhood of The Band, and certain things are ritual. Same goes for mix sessions. After all, the only difference is that the instruments stay cased. |
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Post by unit7 on Aug 16, 2015 15:26:28 GMT -6
More than a 33cl of 2% light beer with a meal, and I'm f*cked. The only performance related to music I could enjoy when tipsy or drunk is a non work playful jam session. Everything else just makes me very frustrated, especially mix work. But I guess it's because I'm the kind that can't take much alcohol. I rarely drink more than two beers and perhaps a small shot. By then I'm pretty drunk and also lose the taste for more. Looking at many people around me, I'm actually happy that I was built that way.
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Post by ragan on Aug 16, 2015 15:29:25 GMT -6
I guess I'd have to try a mix without beer to find out. NO THANKS : ) I'm with you, ragan. But I don't mix anyone else, so there's no pressure to produce beyond my own expectations for my music. Besides, anyone who thinks a bunch of musicians getting together to play is anything but a party is fooling themselves. Practice, schmactice. It's a meeting of the Brotherhood of The Band, and certain things are ritual. Same goes for mix sessions. After all, the only difference is that the instruments stay cased. Heh. Well said. Honestly, for me, it's just the fact that I drink beer a lot. I love it and (knock on Amber colored glass...) thus far it hasn't become a problem for me. I live in a hotbed of brewery culture and there is just so much amazing beer here in the NW and in Seattle specifically. It's a bit of a passion of mine. I work a physical job and a couple (and I do mean a couple, not like 8...) cold IPA's in the evening are a daily pleasure for me. I try to keep it where my doc says I'm not hurting my health. I sip and savor. Not about getting wasted for me (though I did more than my fair share of that as a younger man : ) I don't really mix "with" or "without" beer. I just mix...and that's usually at night....and I'm usually having a beer. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 16, 2015 16:09:51 GMT -6
More than a 33cl of 2% light beer with a meal, and I'm f*cked. The only performance related to music I could enjoy when tipsy or drunk is a non work playful jam session. Everything else just makes me very frustrated, especially mix work. But I guess it's because I'm the kind that can't take much alcohol. I rarely drink more than two beers and perhaps a small shot. By then I'm pretty drunk and also lose the taste for more. Looking at many people around me, I'm actually happy that I was built that way. 2 peas in a pod we are P! speaking of hotbed of breweries, i think San Diego is completely out of control with the beer brewing thing, we've got something like 30 breweries, and are the kings of IPA(which i hate haha), but i think portland has 60 breweries!!! |
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Post by ragan on Aug 16, 2015 16:34:02 GMT -6
More than a 33cl of 2% light beer with a meal, and I'm f*cked. The only performance related to music I could enjoy when tipsy or drunk is a non work playful jam session. Everything else just makes me very frustrated, especially mix work. But I guess it's because I'm the kind that can't take much alcohol. I rarely drink more than two beers and perhaps a small shot. By then I'm pretty drunk and also lose the taste for more. Looking at many people around me, I'm actually happy that I was built that way. 2 peas in a pod we are P! speaking of hotbed of breweries, i think San Diego is completely out of control with the beer brewing thing, we've got something like 30 breweries, and are the kings of IPA(which i hate haha), but i think portland has 60 breweries!!! "The Kings of IPA". heheh...that's cute! The NW is where the IPA throne resides. Which sounds like it's just fine with you since you hate em. I am a total hop head and can't get enough of those monster IPA's. |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Aug 19, 2015 9:35:32 GMT -6
This should give ya an idea of what BarFunGul looks like!
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