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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2015 13:06:28 GMT -6
Yeah I need to try it more. I'm going to be collaborating with a friend who's in another state at some point so Gobbler might be the ticket.
I just meant I wouldn't be surprised if Slate had a financial stake in Gobbler, which would be just fine of course. Total guess though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -6
Well its been very quiet on that front for a while. I wonder how strong avid's suit actually is, big surprise staff do change jobs sometimes you know ?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 6, 2015 15:12:58 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2015 16:54:37 GMT -6
anybody having trouble seeing the slate plugs ?
I am in pro tools, they were in my ilok mgr and I transferred to my ilok were we supposed to get an activation code as an email ?
I don't see them in pro tools ?
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2015 17:41:19 GMT -6
I am so conflicted on the Idea of subscription plugins. Great cash flow for developer and end user, but the dealer gets screwed and often the dealer is the honest service provider when there is a Plug/Host issue.' Price seams good , but the idea is to lock you in to Plugin line ! No aka-carte option ! The opt in and out seams great but if it's like the message envy PKG I bought my wife and after I finally got them to quit charging my card a year after ending the contracting and that was by canceling that card!
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Post by henge on Aug 6, 2015 19:22:23 GMT -6
Relab is included in the subscription if you do the $25 a month version. I'm not sure what I think about subscriptions but I get 6 months free so I've got awhile to ponder. Tried the Relab last night. Really is nice. But man, I find the new EQ (can't remember what they call it) to be remarkable. Amazing how much you can sculpt without it sounding "EQ'd". I'm seriously impressed with it and I can see using it for about 90% of my EQ needs. There's some real stuff goin on under the hood on this one. Yeah, the Eq and lift thing are excellent.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 6, 2015 19:33:39 GMT -6
Used nothing but the Slate stuff on this recording here. Tracked it today (rain day). I find it all to be very hot and distortion"ish". I was used to tracking with hotter inputs on the pres. Couldn't find a setting on most of this Slate stuff where I couldn't hear distortion. This is an old tune BTW. Not mine. Messing around.
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 7, 2015 9:26:08 GMT -6
"The first one is free' reminds me of all those warnings I got as a kid.
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Post by swurveman on Aug 7, 2015 9:47:39 GMT -6
anybody having trouble seeing the slate plugs ? I am in pro tools, they were in my ilok mgr and I transferred to my ilok were we supposed to get an activation code as an email ? I don't see them in pro tools ? I didn't get an activation email either, but finally got them loaded in Cubase 8. So, at least in Cubase you don't need an activation code, you just need to make sure you activate them in your iLok License Manager. I would suspect the same is true with PT, but haven't loaded them in PT11 yet.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2015 9:49:43 GMT -6
thx they are activated add on my ilok but I don't see them in pro tools. i filed a support request; never had a problem with the new ilok mgr before
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Post by ragan on Aug 7, 2015 10:50:29 GMT -6
thx they are activated add on my ilok but I don't see them in pro tools. i filed a support request; never had a problem with the new ilok mgr before Did the Gobbler install do its thing successfully?
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2015 11:09:03 GMT -6
thx they are activated add on my ilok but I don't see them in pro tools. i filed a support request; never had a problem with the new ilok mgr before Did the Gobbler install do its thing successfully? well I don't know ? the plugs were in my gobbler mgr accoutn and i have transferred them to my ilok and it says they are activated ?
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Post by ragan on Aug 7, 2015 11:43:59 GMT -6
Did the Gobbler install do its thing successfully? well I don't know ? the plugs were in my gobbler mgr accoutn and i have transferred them to my ilok and it says they are activated ? View AttachmentView AttachmentWhen I did mine, I had to open Gobbler and let it download and install each plugin. It said "installed" next to them in the Gobbler window when they were done.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 7, 2015 12:24:23 GMT -6
Hmm gobbler knows I have downloaded so won't let me again Gee I guess that is what alternate email addresses are good for
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Post by popmann on Aug 8, 2015 17:23:38 GMT -6
"The first one is free' reminds me of all those warnings I got as a kid. Except that THOSE folks knew they had something you'd WANT....over and over....so, if Slate thinks he has that, more power to him. I see nothing wrong with that. Business model works for me as an artist. I see it as paying $25 every time I need to mix an album for a full suite of tools. That means Slate should get $75 from me over the next decade. If he's cool with that, I certainly am. Finally.....paying about what software is worth, IMO. Now, if I can just rent a 1608 and Burl Mothership for tracking for say $100/mo....I'll be set with how I make the next record.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 8, 2015 17:36:32 GMT -6
"The first one is free' reminds me of all those warnings I got as a kid. Except that THOSE folks knew they had something you'd WANT....over and over....so, if Slate thinks he has that, more power to him. I see nothing wrong with that. Business model works for me as an artist. I see it as paying $25 every time I need to mix an album for a full suite of tools. That means Slate should get $75 from me over the next decade. If he's cool with that, I certainly am. Finally.....paying about what software is worth, IMO. Now, if I can just rent a 1608 and Burl Mothership for tracking for say $100/mo....I'll be set with how I make the next record. Dude - that's a fantastic post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:31:07 GMT -6
Yes it is. For those, who are in command of their gear addiction and think from an economical and rational point of view. From a psychological perspective, you get more than you ask for when renting a package and the desire to own it might rise as you see needs of products you did not think you need before.... Btw., this is also the problem i see behind all those upcoming rental and subscription systems with DAW software. You don't want to lose the "ownership", which in fact is just a usage license, and you buy in again and again. And most people seem to do it, even if you get a permanent license and you could be perfectly fine with one version that absolutely fits your needs. This said, Slate is a great marketing guy though...and i am sure the model would fit many non-professionals that were not into his software before or people who are in the situation of occasionally making a record...
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Post by LesC on Aug 9, 2015 22:31:39 GMT -6
A quick question, please let me know if I'm misunderstanding. Is this completely eliminating the resale value of Slate plugins? Why buy them used when you can get shiny new ones for $20?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 10, 2015 4:06:25 GMT -6
because you only get to use them for a month for $20 bucks.
also, code doesn't "wear out" like hardware does lol
I wish UAD would come out with something like this. your monthly fee would be based on how many plugins of theirs you already own vs how many you don't.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 10, 2015 5:43:46 GMT -6
hey LesC,
Apparently not, as the used prices have been pretty stable at about 50% of retail after paying transfer fees.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 10, 2015 8:09:46 GMT -6
because you only get to use them for a month for $20 bucks. also, code doesn't "wear out" like hardware does lolI wish UAD would come out with something like this. your monthly fee would be based on how many plugins of theirs you already own vs how many you don't. Yeah, that 1960's Neumann is all worn out, that "cosmonaut" plugin code works fabulous on a Mac G3 or pentium 1 windows 98 machine
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Aug 10, 2015 8:52:55 GMT -6
Yeah that wear out or "baked" sound can't be built. Not that I've found anyway. Some things get better with age. Great gear is one of them. Eric is another
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Post by LesC on Aug 10, 2015 14:45:45 GMT -6
because you only get to use them for a month for $20 bucks. also, code doesn't "wear out" like hardware does lol I wish UAD would come out with something like this. your monthly fee would be based on how many plugins of theirs you already own vs how many you don't. Yeah, I know it's only a month. I guess I should have been more explicit. For someone (like me) who has almost all the Slate plugs, and has spent probably over a thousand bucks on them, it would be the same $20 per month to get all the future plugs as someone who doesn't have any, plus the non-haves get all the current plugs. A few months free subscription can make up maybe 10% of the purchase price, it just seems like a kick in the ass to existing customers. And I think once the subscription model takes hold, most new Slate users will go that route, basically making purchased plugs worthless in the second-hand market. By the way, I have a closet-full of software purchased over the last 15 or 20 years that hasn't worn out. It's fresh as a daisy, just completely worthless. I also have lots of hardware, none of which has worn out, and will continue to have value.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 10, 2015 15:15:40 GMT -6
LesCI share your perspective here and also own Relab so i agree that the subscription service may have really undermined the sales of plugs and that a few months of "free' plugs when you already own most of them anyway doesn't seem very consequential.
I am five days into just trying to get the plugs working, never having had a problem with gobbler and or ilok before.
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Post by LesC on Aug 10, 2015 17:56:37 GMT -6
LesCI share your perspective here and also own Relab so i agree that the subscription service may have really undermined the sales of plugs and that a few months of "free' plugs when you already own most of them anyway doesn't seem very consequential. I am five days into just trying to get the plugs working, never having had a problem with gobbler and or ilok before. I have all the Exponential Audio stuff, so I have no desire for Relab. I'm thinking of dumping the Slate plugs while they still have value, and if I really miss them I'll go in for the $20/month thing.
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