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Post by baquin on May 30, 2015 17:40:08 GMT -6
...Faderport is excellent (I wish they made an extended version with 8 faders)...if I can't find a clean US2400 then the X-Touch looks to be my next controller... Ditto on the Faderport. I find it really smooth to work with, the integration with Studio One is flawless. I wish there was a 8 fader version too. Haven't heard of the X-Touch until now, it seems really good, hope it gets out soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 19:01:45 GMT -6
Actually, in Win8 it worked like a charm from the beginning. OS drivers, no install, actually all programs i throw midi on. Yes, this was one reason i left out everything between XP32 and Win8. I've had similar success with Windows 7 64-bit professional with my usb connected M Audio Keyboard, Presonous Faderport and Korg PadKontrol. It was just the US-2400 which would not work with Cubase 6.5 (now 8) and Pro Tools 11. I wonder if it has something to do with the DAW software. There was a "driver update 1.31" that actually was the essential firmware update. Without this it needs proprietary drivers which were latest done for XP32. After this firmware update, the unit is usb class compliant. All modern OSes supports this and install their immanent system drivers to expose the midi ports to the system. For compatibility, it has 3 logic/mackie control flavours, a Sonar mode, a Digital Performer Mode and a Logic Mode. Sonar mode still works as it should, it now try linux-mixbus, figuring out the next time. Then, it has a HUI mode, which is supposedly for ProTools. Don't know if this protocol is still supported by Avid. HUI, Mackie Control and Logic Control protocols are actually very similar. They share the same interface base. Then it has a proprietary mode that exposes a native midi protocol. So people could build their own software interfacing with access to all control elements. It spits out 4 Midi In ports and 4 Midi Out ports, relating to a full (Mackie/Logic) control, 2 Extenders and an additional midicontroller for the additional buttons and the joystick. Say, for plugin automation. All with controller feedback, if your DAW supports this. Slick. If yours did not work in Windows when the other Midi controllers started to function without any proprietary driver installation out-of-the box, chances are good your US-2400 just misses the latest firmware update. I would check that and try to install before buy. It's still up at TASCAM webpage with full instructions, quick start and full manual for free download... Check out which protocol the DAW supports best, and you most probably will find a working mode. Start with the Quick Start Guide and save yourself quite some frustration. Without following step-by-step you will stumble upon something and lose valuable time finding out what the heck went wrong. Been there, a number of times, with the obligate "D'oh" effect looking in the manuals...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 19:12:43 GMT -6
Those Behringers look very good. Actually i was surprised by the sturdyness of the BCF/BCR. Generally well made, functionality ok, they had some minor flaws that i hope are totally worked out.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 19:20:37 GMT -6
Do yourself a favor and spend a few dollars more for the jog shuttle on the new Behringers. I find this *so* useful, i just started to notice the lack of this instantly when i got my hand on a few BCx2000 units and tried them out. Really missed that. Maybe it's just me, having the feeling of using a tape (i love the transport section of the US-2400. Jog shuttle and plastic buttons feel so good and familiar there...)
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Post by M57 on May 31, 2015 4:56:25 GMT -6
Do yourself a favor and spend a few dollars more for the jog shuttle on the new Behringers. When you say "new," are you talking about the X-Touch ..or the BCx-2000 models? It doesn't look like the X-touch are available yet. I can't believe Behringer would pull the plug on them in favor of an app. Apps are a dime a dozen. I need to touch the faders but I want to work pretty much ITB. Agree with Kidvybes - The home studio is less and less a niche market - and more and more a market force - This line-up could cover the entry and mid-level price points quite nicely, and right now (at least from my prospective buyer POV) there is little in the way of competition.
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Post by swurveman on May 31, 2015 7:53:01 GMT -6
I've had similar success with Windows 7 64-bit professional with my usb connected M Audio Keyboard, Presonous Faderport and Korg PadKontrol. It was just the US-2400 which would not work with Cubase 6.5 (now 8) and Pro Tools 11. I wonder if it has something to do with the DAW software. Then, it has a HUI mode, which is supposedly for ProTools. Don't know if this protocol is still supported by Avid. Say, for plugin automation. All with controller feedback, if your DAW supports this. Slick. If yours did not work in Windows when the other Midi controllers started to function without any proprietary driver installation out-of-the box, chances are good your US-2400 just misses the latest firmware update. I would check that and try to install before buy. It's still up at TASCAM webpage with full instructions, quick start and full manual for free download... Check out which protocol the DAW supports best, and you most probably will find a working mode. Start with the Quick Start Guide and save yourself quite some frustration. Without following step-by-step you will stumble upon something and lose valuable time finding out what the heck went wrong. Been there, a number of times, with the obligate "D'oh" effect looking in the manuals... Thanks for the details small. I did download the latest firmware update, but both my partner and I could not get it to work. Still, since I can get one easily to demo, your information has led me to give it another try. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 11:57:24 GMT -6
Do yourself a favor and spend a few dollars more for the jog shuttle on the new Behringers. When you say "new," are you talking about the X-Touch ..or the BCx-2000 models? It doesn't look like the X-touch are available yet. I can't believe Behringer would pull the plug on them in favor of an app. Apps are a dime a dozen. I need to touch the faders but I want to work pretty much ITB. Agree with Kidvybes - The home studio is less and less a niche market - and more and more a market force - This line-up could cover the entry and mid-level price points quite nicely, and right now (at least from my prospective buyer POV) there is little in the way of competition. Oh yes, i am talking about the X-Touch. It looks like some decent control surface with everything the BCR/BCF devices were missing. AFAIK the flagship model even has the LCD scribble strip, so it has near everything you might want from a controller. It's not too small to feel comfortable, looks sturdy and has a nice design, and if the haptics are as good as it looks on the videos, it's a winner controller at the announced price for sure...
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Post by M57 on May 31, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -6
The BCx models are not to be found anywhere on their site - there may be direct links but I can't find it from their home page. There is mention in the forums, but not so much in the way of response by moderators. It's been on my radar for over a year now when it was first 'introduced.'
Red flags?? Trying not to get my hopes up.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:52:47 GMT -6
The BCx models are not to be found anywhere on their site - there may be direct links but I can't find it from their home page. There is mention in the forums, but not so much in the way of response by moderators. It's been on my radar for over a year now when it was first 'introduced.' Red flags?? Trying not to get my hopes up. Ah, misunderstanding here... BCx2000 was related to the B-Control devices, i.e. BCF2000 (fader control), BCR2000 (rotary control) and BCA2000 (audio control, discontinued).
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 15:34:30 GMT -6
I might have to turn to something else...I've noticed my Tranzport doesn't scroll through all the channels in Cubase anymore...I love having a button for stop play record though. The first issue I have with the iPad stuff is that I have to get it out of my 8 year old's hands, then does it have enough charge, then how the hell do I turn off the auto lock, blah blah blah...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:02:54 GMT -6
Buy a cheap android tablet and install touchDAW. Done. My super-cheapy WiFi-only tablet costs around 30-50$. Add the cost of the app.
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Post by M57 on Jun 12, 2015 19:06:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I have the logic app for my iPad and it's great when recording - but not when mixing.
Anyone have any experience with the iCON QCon Pro?
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Post by M57 on Jun 12, 2015 19:15:37 GMT -6
..and the Qcon icon Pro G2? ACCKK!! Looks awesome but this and the Beringer are not available!
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Post by kidvybes on Jun 12, 2015 19:18:16 GMT -6
...I found a fairly clean Tascam US-2400 in the Pensadian Gear Classifieds on Facebook...met the guy midway between Tampa (west coast) and West Palm Beach (east coast), FL to pick it up...did some cosmetic sprucing up and got it synced up to Cubase and Nuendo DAWs in Windows 7...can't believe I didn't do this sooner!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 19:39:22 GMT -6
Hey, cool. Have a nice time with it. :-) Hope you got a nice bang for the buck with it. When it comes to workflow, haptics are so underrated by many IMO.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 12, 2015 20:15:45 GMT -6
...I found a fairly clean Tascam US-2400 in the Pensadian Gear Classifieds on Facebook...met the guy midway between Tampa (west coast) and West Palm Beach (east coast), FL to pick it up...did some cosmetic sprucing up and got it synced up to Cubase and Nuendo DAWs in Windows 7...can't believe I didn't do this sooner! Jupp makes a diffrence while Mixing ITB. The Tascam uses the Mackie Protocol?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 20:20:02 GMT -6
Yes, several Mackie MCU protocol flavours to work well with the main DAWs, logic protocol, HUI and a native one.
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Post by ericn on Jun 13, 2015 21:08:32 GMT -6
I recently opted for the Artist Mix. Seemed the logical choice for pro tools and has eucon control, so it's good for any apps that support Eucon. Motor faders were a must for me. I've been getting wrist and finger joint issues with other alternatives. Plus the plug in control and extras are excellent. For me, I consider it reasonably priced. It's not "cheap" though.... m My favorite so far just wish the jog shuttle wheel was as nice as the separate Artis transport! The basic Euphonix system 5 is an Awesome piece but then the price is anything but awesome!
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Post by M57 on Nov 11, 2015 18:29:35 GMT -6
Beringer X-Touch looks to be available and in stock. Their newest video features the board being used with Logic, so I'm going to assume they are probably a good match..
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Post by rocinante on Nov 12, 2015 2:35:28 GMT -6
I tried a couple of daw controllers over the past years and finally settled on the artist mix. I like how well it integrates with PT but for other DAWs it is actually a PITA. Especially S1 v 2.6. I completely hacked apart a couple of bcfs with the intentions of either connecting it up to my console or making it more ergonomic. I ended up building a 16 channel daw controller. After a while the bcfs got a little sticky and felt limited so I sold my hacked 16 channel controller and grabbed an artist mix which im for the most part pretty happy with. The new x-touch looks promising snd I really like the jog wheel and well lit scrible strips. I'll definitely wait to see how the xtouch integrates with other daws before even thinking about getting one. Im also curious on peoples experience with the qcon as well as it definitely looks like it could be a decent controller.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 12, 2015 6:27:21 GMT -6
looks like Neyrinck decided to charge $50/year to use their v.2 app for ipad. a ton of users are angry about this, as evident by the reviews on the ipad app store. neyrinck.com/product/v-control-pro-2/i'm glad I use Logic X and not another DAW, because of Logic Remote.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2015 7:26:59 GMT -6
I tried a couple of daw controllers over the past years and finally settled on the artist mix. I like how well it integrates with PT but for other DAWs it is actually a PITA. Especially S1 v 2.6. I completely hacked apart a couple of bcfs with the intentions of either connecting it up to my console or making it more ergonomic. I ended up building a 16 channel daw controller. After a while the bcfs got a little sticky and felt limited so I sold my hacked 16 channel controller and grabbed an artist mix which im for the most part pretty happy with. The new x-touch looks promising snd I really like the jog wheel and well lit scrible strips. I'll definitely wait to see how the xtouch integrates with other daws before even thinking about getting one. Im also curious on peoples experience with the qcon as well as it definitely looks like it could be a decent controller. Please tell more?
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2015 8:10:19 GMT -6
looks like Neyrinck decided to charge $50/year to use their v.2 app for ipad. a ton of users are angry about this, as evident by the reviews on the ipad app store. neyrinck.com/product/v-control-pro-2/i'm glad I use Logic X and not another DAW, because of Logic Remote. The subscription model is going to screw a lot of folks, a simple smartphone app is $50 a year!!!! Wtf? My decision to go almost entirely OTB is apparently a good one, and it's going to end up saving big $ in the long run, the vastly superior sonics are a bonus 8)
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Post by rocinante on Nov 12, 2015 8:50:25 GMT -6
Sure Tony. Believe it or not the bcf has a huge cult following and theres a bunch of online groups who have really taken the bcf to a whole nother level. The faders midi signals work by light and how far the faders are between the two light sources/receptors; which are located on either end of the fader track. One near 20db and one at -79db. Thats all, so as long as you have something in that track your good. Unfortunately the tracks are on a single pcb. You can seperate this pcb from the bcf case though. Same with the top row of rotary faders and buttons below them. Saying all that its not that hard to take the plastic and frame of the right side of one bcf completely apart, as well as the left side of another bcf. Then completely toss out the bottom and front and merge the two. Then add wood sides and front and voila; "poor man's Icon". Faders jumping out of the tracks can be troublesome and are a total bitch to put back in. Frank from frontpanel.de has also explored the bcf but hes gone far more in depth as far as the software. I'll try and find some pics of the bcfs i hacked.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2015 9:17:32 GMT -6
Sure Tony. Believe it or not the bcf has a huge cult following and theres a bunch of online groups who have really taken the bcf to a whole nother level. The faders midi signals work by light and how far the faders are between the two light sources/receptors; which are located on either end of the fader track. One near 20db and one at -79db. Thats all, so as long as you have something in that track your good. Unfortunately the tracks are on a single pcb. You can seperate this pcb from the bcf case though. Same with the top row of rotary faders and buttons below them. Saying all that its not that hard to take the plastic and frame of the right side of one bcf completely apart, as well as the left side of another bcf. Then completely toss out the bottom and front and merge the two. Then add wood sides and front and voila; "poor man's Icon". Faders jumping out of the tracks can be troublesome and are a total bitch to put back in. Frank from frontpanel.de has also explored the bcf but hes gone far more in depth as far as the software. I'll try and find some pics of the bcfs i hacked. hmmm, interesting.... thanx! do you have a link to some of these online groups? i'm interested as i have a BCF here all pulled apart and under heavy modification/adaptation...., not seeing any light sensing stuff yet, but maybe i'm not looking hard enough....
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