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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 6, 2015 21:11:03 GMT -6
I've got an unusually busy week ahead, but i'll do my best warren.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2015 14:09:40 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 9, 2015 21:21:34 GMT -6
Haven't gotten it yet John. We've been trying to hook up, but schedules have been tricky. Hopefully in a day or two..
meanwhile, I gave my new Dizengoff D4 preamp a trial run today. Only had ten minutes with it, but I think it's a winner.
This should help with tracking something with the svartbox, it'll be that much cleaner and clearer from the start.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jun 10, 2015 17:55:22 GMT -6
dropped it off with Martin today.
that Dizengoff is OFFICIAL!!!!! I want one..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 10, 2015 18:05:30 GMT -6
Thanks so much for stopping by Chuck, it was great fun meeting you. I wish we had more time to get it set up and give it a run-through. I'm bumper to bumper lately, but will do my best to get to it asap. svart, I might have to contact you with a few questions.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2015 20:13:06 GMT -6
dropped it off with Martin today. that Dizengoff is OFFICIAL!!!!! I want one.. Please don't tell me that... |
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Post by henge on Jun 10, 2015 20:33:59 GMT -6
dropped it off with Martin today. that Dizengoff is OFFICIAL!!!!! I want one.. Please don't tell me that... Lol |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 10, 2015 20:49:17 GMT -6
I want one too, LOL
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 10, 2015 21:32:08 GMT -6
Yes, 50% of what I was missing from my mic, (which I've ranted about on occasion), was my preamp all along. Although obviously different tones, the Dizengoff D4 reminds me of how I felt when I recorded a mic test at Fab Dupont's Flux Studios through his rebuilt Neve console. Big, rich and warm, but not bloated or false, so smooth on the low end, it's sick. Forget the trimmings, this thing's pro.
Now bear with me guys, setting up the svartbox is easy for some of the cats here, but daunting for me. I think I need to buy some cables before I can set it up. I'll PM svart tomorrow and ask a few questions, and try to get something done Friday or Saturday, even if it's something plain and simple.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 10, 2015 21:45:02 GMT -6
Martin John Butler, could you snap a pic of the rear of the unit? I'll probably need to grab some cables too. Hadn't even thought of that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2015 22:01:56 GMT -6
Pm me if you want svart. You connecting to an Apollo.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jun 11, 2015 6:09:19 GMT -6
Just a digital Coaxial right?
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Post by svart on Jun 11, 2015 7:33:32 GMT -6
Just a digital Coaxial right? Yes. SPDIF is 75 ohm and AES is 110 ohm. In either case, a short cable won't necessarily need to be impedance specific, so regular audio RCA cables would work for anything less than a few feet without much issue. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 11, 2015 8:43:30 GMT -6
can we get a friggin name up in here already?  Svart AD/DA NYC Hang™.... box |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 11, 2015 8:44:34 GMT -6
can we get a friggin name up in here already? Svart AD/DA NYC Hang™.... box Give it time. Name has to be right.  |
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Post by RicFoxx on Jun 11, 2015 8:51:23 GMT -6
T-Ravs Microscopial Audio Fantasia
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Post by LesC on Jun 11, 2015 14:02:11 GMT -6
Just a digital Coaxial right? Yes. SPDIF is 75 ohm and AES is 110 ohm. In either case, a short cable won't necessarily need to be impedance specific, so regular audio RCA cables would work for anything less than a few feet without much issue. Would it be possible to optionally replace the coax SPDIF connection with an AES/EBU connector? Or preferably to have both connectors? My RME UFX has AES/EBU that I currently use with my Burl AD, and has no coax SPDIF. It would be great to just unplug the Burl and plug in the Svartacus. |
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Post by svart on Jun 11, 2015 14:53:29 GMT -6
Yes. SPDIF is 75 ohm and AES is 110 ohm. In either case, a short cable won't necessarily need to be impedance specific, so regular audio RCA cables would work for anything less than a few feet without much issue. Would it be possible to optionally replace the coax SPDIF connection with an AES/EBU connector? Or preferably to have both connectors? My RME UFX has AES/EBU that I currently use with my Burl AD, and has no coax SPDIF. It would be great to just unplug the Burl and plug in the Svartacus. You could simply make a single ended AES cable with a RCA connector and it should work. AES is just the "professional" version of SPDIF and they share the same data structure aside from some of the "info" bits. You could make your own SPDIF-to-AES cable by taking an RCA cable, hooking the center to pin 2 of the AES XLR, then grounding both pins 1 and 3 to the ground of the RCA. AES to SPDIF cables need some attenuation to work as AES is higher voltage. Like this(but with pin 1 grounded):  And  Most modern SPDIF/AES receiver chips can receive either one without any issues. Transmitters are generally set for an output level corresponding with either SPDIF or AES, but since the receiver generally doesn't care about the level in most cases, it should still work OK, even if the impedance is different. If you have to run more than a couple feet between AES and SPDIF, then an adapter box is probably your best bet, like this: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/395533-REG/Hosa_Technology_CDL_313_CDL_313_Data_Link.htmlSome solid info here: www.rane.com/note149.html |
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Post by formatcyes on Jun 11, 2015 16:04:09 GMT -6
can we get a friggin name up in here already? Svart AD/DA NYC Hang™.... box To me it will aways be the RGO speedwagon |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2015 16:10:19 GMT -6
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Post by LesC on Jun 11, 2015 20:01:58 GMT -6
Would it be possible to optionally replace the coax SPDIF connection with an AES/EBU connector? Or preferably to have both connectors? My RME UFX has AES/EBU that I currently use with my Burl AD, and has no coax SPDIF. It would be great to just unplug the Burl and plug in the Svartacus. You could simply make a single ended AES cable with a RCA connector and it should work. AES is just the "professional" version of SPDIF and they share the same data structure aside from some of the "info" bits. You could make your own SPDIF-to-AES cable by taking an RCA cable, hooking the center to pin 2 of the AES XLR, then grounding both pins 1 and 3 to the ground of the RCA. AES to SPDIF cables need some attenuation to work as AES is higher voltage. Like this(but with pin 1 grounded): And Most modern SPDIF/AES receiver chips can receive either one without any issues. Transmitters are generally set for an output level corresponding with either SPDIF or AES, but since the receiver generally doesn't care about the level in most cases, it should still work OK, even if the impedance is different. If you have to run more than a couple feet between AES and SPDIF, then an adapter box is probably your best bet, like this: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/395533-REG/Hosa_Technology_CDL_313_CDL_313_Data_Link.htmlSome solid info here: www.rane.com/note149.htmlThank you for the detailed info, I'm sure it will be useful for others reading this thread. My UFX can certainly handle SPDIF levels and impedance on the AES ins and outs. But I was asking about the connectors on your box itself. I think AES connectors are seen as more professional than coax SPDIF, in the same way that XLR connectors are see as more professional than TRS. If for no reason other than marketing purposes, you might want to consider offering both in future products. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2015 20:11:28 GMT -6
My Burl has coax Spdif. It's pretty professional...and as far as the 1/4 or xlr...they're the same thing...
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Post by svart on Jun 11, 2015 20:13:32 GMT -6
You could simply make a single ended AES cable with a RCA connector and it should work. AES is just the "professional" version of SPDIF and they share the same data structure aside from some of the "info" bits. You could make your own SPDIF-to-AES cable by taking an RCA cable, hooking the center to pin 2 of the AES XLR, then grounding both pins 1 and 3 to the ground of the RCA. AES to SPDIF cables need some attenuation to work as AES is higher voltage. Thank you for the detailed info, I'm sure it will be useful for others reading this thread. My UFX can certainly handle SPDIF levels and impedance on the AES ins and outs. But I was asking about the connectors on your box itself. I think AES connectors are seen as more professional than coax SPDIF, in the same way that XLR connectors are see as more professional than TRS. If for no reason other than marketing purposes, you might want to consider offering both in future products. I see. Since there is no functional difference between AES and SPDIF, I chose the one that also allows me easy connection to a lot of audiophile products as well, CD players and such. This greatly expands my possible product reach beyond the pro-audio market. I figured people would adapt the units as they need, while I keep costs down and space to a minimum by using the smaller RCA connector. I understand some folks might be turned off because of this, but there is no technical reason for them to think they are unsupported, as the adapters are extremely simple. In the future I might offer AES in XLR format if things work out with this product, but you're right, it would only be for marketing purposes. I have also never once heard that XLR was more professional than TRS.. They perform exactly the same. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 11, 2015 20:22:38 GMT -6
svart, so the connections on this puppy are TRS for Analog and RCA for digital? That right?
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Post by svart on Jun 11, 2015 20:23:22 GMT -6
svart, so the connections on this puppy are TRS for Analog and RCA for digital? That right? yeah, that's right! |
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