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Post by sozocaps on Sept 3, 2013 11:45:40 GMT -6
I get very good results here... Attachments:
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2013 14:37:44 GMT -6
Anyone care to post or direct us to a previous post to a clip or sing using drums recorded in a small room? Thank you. here's a quick and sloppy test i did a good while back before any treatment and acoustic work in my 19' long 16' tapered wide 8' ceiling room. It's 1 track/1 rode K2(pre mod)mic @ mid height out front about 5', seventh circle A12 pre, into PT, slammed! with a crappy BF76 plug compressor to bring up the room to pumpy levels, some pre set verb, crappy performance, and little fore thought. Forget the small room? the sample lends credence to the idea, if you want a big drum sound, start with big drums, the kick is 26x14, an 18" kick will NEVER sound like a 26", no matter what size room it's in...ever! The guitar tracks on the 1st sample are a taylor acoustic 710w/sansamp plug for distortion lol!, the bass is 1972 jazz DI. the second sample is just the guit/bass muted. like i said, quick and dirty enjoy see 3 posts down 8/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 15:23:55 GMT -6
Don't think we got the whole link in there, sir.
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Post by sozocaps on Sept 3, 2013 15:33:47 GMT -6
agree... nothing
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2013 15:50:43 GMT -6
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 3, 2013 16:20:38 GMT -6
This should be uploaded shortly: dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27988945/Small%20Room%20Demo.mp3A quick demo I was doing for some friends. 8 tracks all live - but I've solo'd just the drum tracks for here. Band was Electric Guitar, Sax, Bass and Drums. No acoustic treatment, players were positioned according to where they fit and panning in the mix. I just hit record and let them play. The kit was mic'd with a pair of super cheap EM700's on Overheads (50 quid for the pair), 3x57's for Toms and snare all grouped on the mixer for a "Close mic" channel an Opus 99 on the kick and an ECM 8000 in the bathroom just above the toilet. No reverb, no compression, no NUTHINS! (Actually, I think the tom volume automation is left on. Meh). |
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Post by sozocaps on Sept 3, 2013 16:31:34 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Sept 3, 2013 16:46:59 GMT -6
The drums sound very Bonhamy . Isn't that audioslave ?? I can hear the comb flitering / phasey in the cymbals . I need to post the sound of my small practice room I am thinking of recording in . |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2013 17:01:17 GMT -6
Yes audio slave, you don't hear comb filtering/phasey in cymbals, not close enough to any wall/floor/ceiling, and there's only one mic, the "swooshy" is just the all buttons super squasher, i said swooshy lol!
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 3, 2013 17:25:34 GMT -6
No comb filtering to me - cymbals sound great.
Guess what they say about a good drummer in a good room is true!
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2013 17:52:28 GMT -6
Thanx jazz!, i've got a little Paiste deal, Wayne at the USA Brea HQ, let me hand pick them, i am completely in love with my cymbals, i have a combo of giant beat and 2002 thins, they're all large and thin so they get out of the way and decay fast for recording.
I cant wait to spin my kit through the new recording rig i'm building and my new(same room, acoustic treatment in progress) room! Those tracks i posted were done for a quick "before" many moons ago, and had NO treatments what so ever in the room, it should pale in comparison to whats coming...i hope lol!
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 4, 2013 7:08:35 GMT -6
Hey Guys,
Maybe you'd like to check out a clip of a song I did with Eddie Seville and his band in my little room?
The clip is Eddie tracking the drums, to the tune.
In between our chatter, you can hear the sound of the kit using 4 Cloud Ribbon mics. We were looking for a particular sound for this record, and on this track we really got it.
The mics are wonderful.
I thought that this might give some of you an idea of what is capable in a smaller room, with proper mic'ing techniques, and the correct instrument, & mic choices you can make beautiful music.
On this track I also used the Cloud Mics (2x) on the upright bass!
Enjoy...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 7:21:27 GMT -6
Tony, check out this vid to dispel the myth about using those cement tubes:
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Post by svart on Sept 4, 2013 7:23:13 GMT -6
Maybe it's my headphones but most of what is posted sounds very much like compressed room mics and not much else. I'm working with a band right now and will have a few things to post in a few days I think. Prepare thyself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 7:27:38 GMT -6
Nobtwiddler, great vid! It's interesting how small the drums sound by themselves, but in the mix they sound perfect! How'd you learn how much sound from an instrument is the right amount? ...i guess that's the challenge of mixing..
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 4, 2013 8:20:38 GMT -6
Tony, check out this vid to dispel the myth about using those cement tubes: Speaking of compressed. Anyone else bothered by the sound of spit moving around the honorable Mr. Wiener's mouth? Very distracting. Ethan's videos are great - informative and entertaining. That acoustic guitar track gives me the hyucks every time. Extremely aggressive guitar playing - but he's rockin' it!He doesn't really disagree with the cement tube thing as much as the criticizes the use of Poly diffusers in small spaces. I'm curious to see how my own diffuser will change things - I just got the studs today. Had to be 2x1 and 3/4 inchs because no one in Ireland keeps consistent stock of anything, hopefully can start documenting the construction on Sunday morning. |
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Post by noah shain on Sept 4, 2013 10:33:46 GMT -6
Hey all
I was forced by circumstance to do a few albums in a studio with a tiny live space...about 12x15 with 8 foot drop ceiling with about 2 feet of empty space between the drop tiles an the hard ceiling above. It was the surround room on the second floor of the old Motown West/Signet Sound studio in LA. Amazing control room and tiny little office for tracking. We draped a few heavy packing blankets on the ceiling and went to town. As I recall the mic ing was pretty straight forward. I used mostly short, filtered delays to create size (which is standard practice for me) and a hallway mic that came in and out at mix.
I also put 2 snares on the floor with strainers facing each other and set a 58 on the ground between them. Distressor!! In mix I triggered a gate with the snare to open and close that mic. I've since refined the technique a bit but that has become standard practice for me. It can be a gorgeous snare verb or whole kit sometimes.
We did this whole album there. And a few others!
Sorry about the spotify link.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 4, 2013 12:22:04 GMT -6
Tony, check out this vid to dispel the myth about using those cement tubes Hi chuck! yes, i've seen this vid, and probably all of Ethans vids, he is right, and very informative, the difference in what YOU are saying, and what Ethan is saying, (paraphrasing of course) "efficacy being a myth vs just not as effective". (the myth is more the bookcase?) poly diffusors work. Do they work as well as a designated QRD period?..no. He's telling you his diffusor works better than a 1/2 tube and he's right, please pay me $400 or so, and we'll send em out, and thats great, real traps are great! I'm saying for those of us who are room size/$ challenged, get a 12' 24" concrete tube and get 12 individual, placeable, floor thrown polys for $70! Drill the binary bad pattern holes(6 standard/6 inversions), and you'll get VERY effective, "quick throw and store easy" diffusors for your small room. Polys DO work, just shouldn't be the first choice if you've got the Keea$$h to throw around. These are a great help for small, budget conscience rooms, especially when dealing with the high spl's of tracking drums in a small space, of course JMO T peace T |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 4, 2013 12:29:53 GMT -6
Hey Guys, Maybe you'd like to check out a clip I did in my little room? Enjoy... Nobtwiddler, top notch, excellent job man! Love those ribbons |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 4, 2013 12:35:36 GMT -6
Maybe it's my headphones but most of what is posted sounds very much like compressed room mics and not much else. Sir svart, if you're talking about my post?, does the part in my explanation where i say "one mic, 5' away, squashed to heck" give it away lol!  I kid, i know you are much to busy designing and building audio gear, to read my incessant flap! T |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 14:06:01 GMT -6
Tony, check out this vid to dispel the myth about using those cement tubes Hi chuck! yes, i've seen this vid, and probably all of Ethans vids, he is right, and very informative, the difference in what YOU are saying, and what Ethan is saying, (paraphrasing of course) "efficacy being a myth vs just not as effective". (the myth is more the bookcase?) poly diffusors work. Do they work as well as a designated QRD period?..no. He's telling you his diffusor works better than a 1/2 tube and he's right, please pay me $400 or so, and we'll send em out, and thats great, real traps are great! I'm saying for those of us who are room size/$ challenged, get a 12' 24" concrete tube and get 12 individual, placeable, floor thrown polys for $70! Drill the binary bad pattern holes(6 standard/6 inversions), and you'll get VERY effective, "quick throw and store easy" diffusors for your small room. Polys DO work, just shouldn't be the first choice if you've got the Keea$$h to throw around. These are a great help for small, budget conscience rooms, especially when dealing with the high spl's of tracking drums in a small space, of course JMO T peace T Seems like a very messy project, especially if you don't have a garage at your disposal :-P |
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Post by svart on Sept 4, 2013 14:39:45 GMT -6
Maybe it's my headphones but most of what is posted sounds very much like compressed room mics and not much else. Sir svart, if you're talking about my post?, does the part in my explanation where i say "one mic, 5' away, squashed to heck" give it away lol! I kid, i know you are much to busy designing and building audio gear, to read my incessant flap! T Nah Tony, it's not just you. It seems like most clips are like this. Even the video in the other thread with the dudes and their mics sounded like this. I know it's not the headphones because I listen to other music all day long on them. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a drummer and I'm pretty anal about the sound of drums? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 4, 2013 14:53:46 GMT -6
I'm going to be building a bunch more acoustic things pretty quick here, i don't mind chopping an extra one up for you, and throwing them in a big box/mail, but your paying for ship/material chuck! let me know T |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 4, 2013 14:54:28 GMT -6
I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a drummer and I'm pretty anal about the sound of drums? post up a sample broman? |
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 4, 2013 14:59:29 GMT -6
Nah Tony, it's not just you. It seems like most clips are like this. Even the video in the other thread with the dudes and their mics sounded like this. I know it's not the headphones because I listen to other music all day long on them. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a drummer and I'm pretty anal about the sound of drums? Mines not in any way compressed. It's a really trashy, rough ass drum sound, but no compression! |
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I kid, i know you are much to busy designing and building audio gear, to read my incessant flap!