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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2015 18:58:05 GMT -6
Looks like GC has them at $1999 with the Tbolt card. Glad I paid full price for mine and then $400 for the card. Sigh
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 13, 2015 19:02:22 GMT -6
People think its just Gc scrambling for dough as other UA suppliers are not dropping their prices. People also are wondering if UA will drop an octo apollo at musicmesse  If its any consolation there is a guy on the ua forum site who just took delivery a week ago of 2 apollos, mind you he also got like 2 grand in plug in vouchers ; cry me a friggin river ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2015 7:09:43 GMT -6
interestingly musician's friend is now indicating this is a price drop ?
They are starting a special q&A thread at ua forum with gannon the ua rep, who will be live from music mess and who has just completed a whirlwind European tour ?
Seems odd for what was expected to be a sort of ho hum event.
UA held back the autotune release so that was the only new plug that was expected ?
Maybe UA is going to drop an octo apollo and or a quad twin ?
Livestream tomorrow; stay tuned : same bat time same bat channel !
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Post by drumrec on Apr 14, 2015 7:19:56 GMT -6
Octo Apollo would be sweet |
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 14, 2015 9:18:11 GMT -6
They have a new unit hitting the shelf soon. Oct Apollo as the badass drummer indicates is on it's way. The Quad is now the Duo. I always wondered why all their newest plugs slammed the DSP... I get it now. Smart these guys at UA are... smart.
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Post by watchtower on Apr 14, 2015 9:39:03 GMT -6
Wake me up when they go native
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2015 9:40:48 GMT -6
Sleep well Watchtower !! |
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Post by ragan on Apr 14, 2015 13:27:54 GMT -6
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Post by drumrec on Apr 14, 2015 13:42:48 GMT -6
Yepp, I saw it! Nice with 8pre....buuuuut like u say, still Quad!!! There they lost me as a prospective buyer for one more Apollo! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2015 14:07:51 GMT -6
but seems it has an 8 pre model ? very surprised it's not octo with how dsp hungry some plugs are, an 8 pre with an on board octo would have meant you have one chip dedicated per pre . it says better converters but I haven't seen a specific reference to what exact converter ?  |
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Post by brucerothwell on Apr 14, 2015 14:15:35 GMT -6
Only if gear companies would stop raising the bar, and introducing new products.
Then we could buy something, be stuck with the old technology, it would still be the "latest and greatest", and no one would ever complain about wanting new features.
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Post by keymod on Apr 14, 2015 14:31:29 GMT -6
Everything here is still basically MAC only, that leaves me out.
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Post by watchtower on Apr 14, 2015 14:33:31 GMT -6
That looks like a pretty neat interface, but the Quad is too bad, and I bet it will be crazy expensive.
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Post by ragan on Apr 14, 2015 15:03:03 GMT -6
I like UAD, and love the Apollo. But Quad is a bit of a joke with their new plugs. Can a Quad even run 8 Unison Neve 1073s? With EQ?
Edit: just looked it up. A Quad can run exactly 8 Unison 1073s but only at 44.1. I work at 88.2, so I could get 4. But that means ZERO other UAD processing going on. No thanks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2015 15:17:08 GMT -6
I guess they think people will buy another apollo to get 8 sharc ships for tracking processing but I think an octo apollo would have been smarter move. I would have been interested in an 8 pre octo apollo and selling my current one but buying another apollo doesn't appeal to me; illogical I know |
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 14, 2015 15:39:34 GMT -6
Makes absolutely no sense to stay at a quad! Instead of filling it with mic pre's they should had changed the chipset's, added as many sharc's as possible and changed the color, would had made a lot of people happy with just that. It's crazy to think that they have 8 mic pre's but you'd have to run at 44.1 in order to utilize that.
I do feel bad for folks like John that had to buy the TB card and now a new one hits that'll probably have some type of upgrade credit.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Apr 14, 2015 16:22:05 GMT -6
Anything we buy that is computer driven will be obsolete in 6 months....and or worth pennies on the dollar.
Buy what ya need to work and make / capture your music, and Don't loose sleep over the rest of this bullshit.
This will never change, and if anything it's only gonna get worse.
That's why to this day, I try to spend as little as possible on anything computer based!
Still spend most of my money on analog Hardware, Mic's and Monitors.
If you buy right, you will loose hardly anything, and sometimes the values go up, and up!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 14, 2015 16:35:23 GMT -6
Anything we buy that is computer driven will be obsolete in 6 months....and or worth pennies on the dollar. Buy what ya need to work and make / capture your music, and Don't loose sleep over the rest of this bullshit. This will never change, and if anything it's only gonna get worse. That's why to this day, I try to spend as little as possible on anything computer based! Still spend most of my money on analog Hardware, Mic's and Monitors. If you buy right, you will loose hardly anything, and sometimes the values go up, and up! #truth |
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Post by carymiller on Apr 14, 2015 16:38:42 GMT -6
Anything we buy that is computer driven will be obsolete in 6 months....and or worth pennies on the dollar. Buy what ya need to work and make / capture your music, and Don't loose sleep over the rest of this bullshit. This will never change, and if anything it's only gonna get worse. That's why to this day, I try to spend as little as possible on anything computer based! Still spend most of my money on analog Hardware, Mic's and Monitors. If you buy right, you will loose hardly anything, and sometimes the values go up, and up! Totally true. Honestly when I build a computer it's usually been to last four or five years while I focus on more important stuff. UAD makes good stuff, but I just can't get behind the business model due to price Vs performance with most of what they offer. I realize a lot of people use their plugs but with Native plugins I'm not dependent on their hardware. |
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Post by drumrec on Apr 14, 2015 17:02:17 GMT -6
Anything we buy that is computer driven will be obsolete in 6 months....and or worth pennies on the dollar. Buy what ya need to work and make / capture your music, and Don't loose sleep over the rest of this bullshit. This will never change, and if anything it's only gonna get worse. That's why to this day, I try to spend as little as possible on anything computer based! Still spend most of my money on analog Hardware, Mic's and Monitors. If you buy right, you will loose hardly anything, and sometimes the values go up, and up! Thats true. But the flexibility of Apollo is unbeatable (especially if you travel a lot) and I think the digital world is very interesting. Since nothing beats good analog hardware! But I must admit, UA got me to sell two pieces DBX 160VU hardware (100 years ago) when they came out with its own plug dbx 160. I thought it sounded so good. So I work in the 2 worlds daily and a Tube Tech CL1B, LA2, 1176 hardware is what it is. But you have to whine a bit on digital developers when they do not match the evolution that there should be, SUCH Octo on the last Apollo *smile* Mr. whiner "drumrec" Hansson  |
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Post by ericn on Apr 14, 2015 17:15:26 GMT -6
Nobody here is going to want hear this
UAD knows what it is doing, this isn't about the Internet vocal who's already bought into Apollo , this is all about competing in the comparison sheet wars fought on every dealers website for new customers everyday.
You guys would be shocked, shocked I tell you at how many Apollo buyers don't spend on plugins or use DSP!
I'm sure the folks at UAD would have loved to bring you an Octo, but at the end of the day they found for every penny more pres would bring more money and sell more units than DSP!
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2015 18:04:15 GMT -6
well if you want more dsp for tracking a gen 1 apollo is cheaper and you get 4 more pres and more i/o ?
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Post by nobtwiddler on Apr 14, 2015 18:35:15 GMT -6
Yes,
And that's part of the reason I posted...
I like John, and many of you purchased a new Apollo last year...(in my case a Apollo16)
I figured, maybe I should see what this plug in shit is all about. (as up to this point never used anything but my outboard gear!)
So I purchased this Apollo thing, listened to it for a week or so, and wasn't too happy.
SO what did I do...throw more money at it, (about $1000) and had Black Lion make it more sonically pleasing.
OK, so far so good...
(Now I know we all need to have digital convertors in this brave new world, but since 1996 I had been exclusively recording & mixing with my Radar units, and this was really not up to par with them!)
But hey the Apollo has PLUGIN's ..
Ok, so I start using a few plugin;s and quickly find out,
#1 - that NONE of them sound like my hardware versions of the same unit.
#2 - that the few that really sound decent (at least to me) Judging them on their own sonic merits use soooooo much DSP that I can use about 8 units and the damn thing craps out!!!
Basically, I understand it's allure, it's cheaper then hardware, multiple instances (sometimes) recallable, etc, etc, etc.
But I gotta tell ya,
I think anyone buying into this shit, has taken a sip of the Cool Aide!
It's the total dumbing down of our industry....mentally and sonically.
We're just adding to an already disposable society.
I mean in a few years, what am I talking about, in less then a year at best...
What are today's plug in's gonna be worth?
What a waste of time, and money...
From now on, I'm gonna buy as little computer / digital crap as I need to make my studio work, and sound they way I want it to.
NOT ONE THING MORE!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2015 19:32:08 GMT -6
I agree...put/putting my money into hardware. But I use both. I won't be buying a Lex 480 or EMT 140 anytime soon. Right now, I use Burl on the way in and an RM1794 on the way out, so I guess I paid $2000 for a hardware dongle/GUI interface/nice routing, etc.
I hardly ever use the plugs for tracking, but use them a ton with mixing. I did use a 1073/LA2A combo the other day and it was actually, really really nice. I got rid of my passive DI because it...well...sucked. So I don't have a DI to get into my HW right now. Seriously, though...I could use the Apollo for that and be fine.
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Post by carymiller on Apr 14, 2015 23:00:48 GMT -6
I agree...put/putting my money into hardware. But I use both. I won't be buying a Lex 480 or EMT 140 anytime soon. Right now, I use Burl on the way in and an RM1794 on the way out, so I guess I paid $2000 for a hardware dongle/GUI interface/nice routing, etc. I hardly ever use the plugs for tracking, but use them a ton with mixing. I did use a 1073/LA2A combo the other day and it was actually, really really nice. I got rid of my passive DI because it...well...sucked. So I don't have a DI to get into my HW right now. Seriously, though...I could use the Apollo for that and be fine. There's nothing wrong with plugins...at times I get results with plugins I can't with hardware, and the visa versa. My issue is with companies like UAD and AVID which make their customer-base hardware dependent in order to run their software. UAD seems like a bargain at first, and has a lot of functionality, and destructive editing when recording which is in fact innovative and a time saver...but I don't care for their converters, nor do I wish to spend a lot of money on their PCIE cards when they continually ostracize PC users. Melda Audio by comparison has a Native plugin bundle for $1,080 with 78 high quality plugins...many of which are used by top mastering engineers. That equates to $13.80 a plugin, for top quality software anyone talented could use to make pro recordings. You put that up against the plugin costs for UAD after you buy the hardware...and things start to feel as pricey as the top hardware to me...only with hardware I wouldn't have to upgrade/crossgrade systems ever...or replace converters. Other companies like Slate Digital, PSP, Fab Filters, and even Waves have better cost efficiency, and instead of having to be restricted to a MAC or PC I can use whatever system is available to me as long as I keep my iLOK's around. Yes I have to do editing after tracking, but with template sessions as long as I record with decent levels I wouldn't need the destructive editing of tracking with plugins in line anyway. You don't need tons of analog gear to make great music no...but I'd rather put my money into Native plugins, Analog Gear, Microphones, and top grade converters...UAD always looks to me to be more about markup for marketing costs, Amazon distribution, and for copyright holders for the gear they emulate. Even if some of their stuff is great...it's just at too big of a premium for me to justify it over other things I need. |
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