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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 15, 2015 3:18:26 GMT -6
The trick with ua is buying it's plug sales, then prices are 30-50% of retail, but yes its proprietary .
Be interested to see how this plays out in terms of where first gen apollo1 prices go,ua is branding silverware apollo2 as a FW interface now, which will confuse people as it still has the tbolt functionality and apollo 1 has better i/o and the original converters.
It's easy enough to add better conversion to apollo 1 with its spdif and adat, so Apollo 1 is a better communication hub.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 15, 2015 10:26:35 GMT -6
Wonder how low the prices are gonna drop on the first gen?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 15, 2015 14:22:50 GMT -6
Do you mean new or used ? You can still buy the "classic", ua is just calling it the FW model but still has the tbolt bay etc..
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 15, 2015 18:39:24 GMT -6
They will have a trade-up program I am sure. They will probably wait for the sales to slack first though. They always find a way to sucker you in. I have done mixes on my Apollo that weren't bad, but it still can't hold a candle to my Apogee AD/DA16X's. Huge difference. I am not bashing Universal Audio, just telling you what I experienced from hearing them side by side. There really is no comparison even with the legacy X converters. I am curious about the new box though, maybe this time they got it right? I use the plugs and I have a lot in the software side of things,sigh, but I am pretty much done with store bought items, I want custom DIY stuff that rules, and that is why I'm here! Carry on...
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 15, 2015 19:11:54 GMT -6
Dimes to doughnuts no ua trade up but stores like jar will trade up !
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 16, 2015 7:16:29 GMT -6
Anything we buy that is computer driven will be obsolete in 6 months....and or worth pennies on the dollar. Buy what ya need to work and make / capture your music, and Don't loose sleep over the rest of this bullshit. This will never change, and if anything it's only gonna get worse. That's why to this day, I try to spend as little as possible on anything computer based! Still spend most of my money on analog Hardware, Mic's and Monitors. If you buy right, you will loose hardly anything, and sometimes the values go up, and up! Wow!!! I agree whole heartedly. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2015 7:34:10 GMT -6
If they get the conversion right, the Apollo will be even more of the industry standard. I sure would like to sell my separate ADDA...but, here we go again...I've got a rig that is working like a charm, I love the results, yet I'm threatening to screw with it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 16, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -6
you guys are in the states can't you order from sweetwater, try and return ?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 16, 2015 13:41:54 GMT -6
If they get the conversion right, the Apollo will be even more of the industry standard. I sure would like to sell my separate ADDA...but, here we go again...I've got a rig that is working like a charm, I love the results, yet I'm threatening to screw with it. Yeah I jumped off that merry go round. Nothing new entices me anymore since settling in with Burl. If it aint broke, it don't need fixing I say. |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 18, 2015 15:28:36 GMT -6
I can say that the investment on those DSP plugs is the least one which paid back in my setup. Due to the price drop in decent hardware it can make sense to not invest in those DSP driven plugs anymore. But to each his own. I still have doubts on the aproach that one single unit can replace the whole rack, includig mic pres. Sure there are some fine sounding plugs. To be true the hype and the stile of marketing helps to keep me sceptical. Thier vulture culture plug in sounds awful. If the HW sounds like this?  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 18, 2015 17:10:53 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Apr 18, 2015 18:01:47 GMT -6
I think an important way to think of this stuff...
Don't think of it as "replacing" hardware, console, tape machine... whatever.
Think of whether it suits your needs... Do you like the sound and the work flow and does its I/O suit what you want.
Especially on this board, we are all fairly well along the path, and have a pretty good sense of what works for us.
I was wondering as I read through this thread... and thought back on others... imagine if the plug ins (everyones plug ins) looked like they did, when DAWS first got plug ins.... 8)...
I think a lot of the plug in lust, is graphically driven 8)
Its a shame really.. plug ins could be doing so much much more, for usability rather than copying the rust on a particular rack unit.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 18, 2015 21:14:40 GMT -6
Youp wiz a lot of plugs are bad coded. Some of us may remember when I measured my 1073 against UADs first take on it on GS. They missed the Saturation part to 100%. A few years later they correct this mistake and want another 200 $ that would make in total 400 $ for a correct working 1073...Thanks to airwindows free Neve Saturation plug in.... I cant follow the logic to kick long time customers in the back....and for this reason I am a lost custoumer for them... No offending, they have, special in the last years, great sounding plugs.....no doubt...
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Post by carymiller on Apr 18, 2015 21:24:03 GMT -6
Youp wiz a lot of plugs are bad coded. Some of us may remember when I measured my 1073 against UADs first take on it on GS. They missed the Saturation part to 100%. A few years later they correct this mistake and want another 200 $ that would make in total 400 $ for a correct working 1073...Thanks to airwindows free Neve Saturation plug in.... I cant follow the logic to kick long time customers in the back....and for this reason I am a lost custoumer for them... No offending, they have, special in the last years, great sounding plugs.....no doubt... Honestly Slates VMR Neve EQ is the closest I've heard to "right"...but only when you chain it with the Neve setting on VCC. It's not as good as the real thing but it helps having both. The Nevo setting on the waves NLS is also really good. I'm gonna the airwindows a whirl though...free is the right price. =P |
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Post by carymiller on Apr 18, 2015 21:32:29 GMT -6
I think an important way to think of this stuff... Don't think of it as "replacing" hardware, console, tape machine... whatever. Think of whether it suits your needs... Do you like the sound and the work flow and does its I/O suit what you want. Especially on this board, we are all fairly well along the path, and have a pretty good sense of what works for us. I was wondering as I read through this thread... and thought back on others... imagine if the plug ins (everyones plug ins) looked like they did, when DAWS first got plug ins.... 8)... I think a lot of the plug in lust, is graphically driven 8) Its a shame really.. plug ins could be doing so much much more, for usability rather than copying the rust on a particular rack unit. Cheers Wiz Most of the best plugins to me aren't even emulations for the same reasoning. But...when an emulation helps is when I'm trying to mimic broad stroke hardware with harmonic distortions, etc. it's funny because the more I mimic the signal flow of a console the closer things get, regardless of the plugs I'm using. But UAD's drawback is primarily price Vs performance to me. I'm not trying to slag them, I just get more options for my money with Native plugs and bundles. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 19, 2015 5:07:21 GMT -6
I'll say it again  , buy ua at the right time, I waited for a sale and got the neve new and old for $93 usd anybody can! They have sales all year long give coupons and deals on plugs: one guy just bought 2 apollos and got close to $2,000 usd in coupons in effect his total price was reduced close to a third and I think he got the two tbolt cards too another grand off: sheesh! |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 19, 2015 11:06:46 GMT -6
Sales I have to watch out for. Sorry I have things to do, and other companies [IK Multimedia] sell the Neve 1073 for 90 bucks without that special sales markting BS. I just ask for a fair update and they say, no you pay the full price..... Fair would be something like 40$ for the legacy owners....
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 19, 2015 12:44:48 GMT -6
hmm the Classic silverface price drop was shortlived ?! from brianj at ua forum "The price at GC and MF is now back up to $2,499. In another thread there is talk about UA continuing the silverface along with the blackface Apollos. Hmmmm, I wonder what that will do to the prices once the blackface start shipping." |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 19, 2015 12:50:21 GMT -6
Sales I have to warch out for. Sorry I have things to do, and other companies [ IK Multimedia] sell the Neve 1073 for 90 bucks without that special sales markting BS. i just ask for a fair update and they say, no you pay the full price..... Fair would be something like 40$ for the legacy owners.... If you own the original ua plug and it is updated your price starts at 50% off. I am not trying to convince you of anything, many note UA's high list prices; fine they are high but there are many ways to lower those prices if you care to and to get free plugs just by buying hardware. |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 20, 2015 11:49:35 GMT -6
Sales I have to warch out for. Sorry I have things to do, and other companies [ IK Multimedia] sell the Neve 1073 for 90 bucks without that special sales markting BS. i just ask for a fair update and they say, no you pay the full price..... Fair would be something like 40$ for the legacy owners.... If you own the original ua plug and it is updated your price starts at 50% off. I am not trying to convince you of anything, many note UA's high list prices; fine they are high but there are many ways to lower those prices if you care to and to get free plugs just by buying hardware. At least it does not in my shop.... Do I miss something?? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 20, 2015 12:01:34 GMT -6
When you say shop ,do you mean your ua account ?
Lets say you owned the original pultec eq (legacy), once the mk ii was released, you are supposed to be able to buy it at 50% of the list price and if you have any single use coupons etc , they can be applied against that discounted price.
You should see the discounted price in red to the left of the regular price but only if you are logged into your ua account, otherwise you see the regular price.
Don't see Red , but you may have hundreds of dollars of saving available, if you own, say the 1176, neve 73, la2 and pultec collections ?
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Post by watchtower on Apr 21, 2015 21:52:50 GMT -6
I find myself becoming more and more intrigued by the Apollo 8p. Why does UA do this to me?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2015 3:35:54 GMT -6
burn your credit card now !! ua is one of many good companies doing innovative and interesting product development many are very happy with its products are you mac or windoze ? |
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Post by watchtower on Apr 22, 2015 14:24:50 GMT -6
burn your credit card now !! ua is one of many good companies doing innovative and interesting product development many are very happy with its products are you mac or windoze ? I'm currently on Mac, but I would need a newer machine with Thunderbolt for the Apollo 8p. But I was 90% planning on that anyway |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2015 14:59:55 GMT -6
Ah then no probs as the mac apollo tbolt combo works great, the 8p is dedicated tbolt pcie I believe and just in case yo don't know, ua plugs for tracking only access the onboard dsp so you have 4 sharc chips for tracking .
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, buy ua at the right time, I waited for a sale and got the neve new and old for $93 usd anybody can! They have sales all year long give coupons and deals on plugs: one guy just bought 2 apollos and got close to $2,000 usd in coupons in effect his total price was reduced close to a third and I think he got the two tbolt cards too another grand off: sheesh! 