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Post by sozocaps on Mar 16, 2015 9:38:57 GMT -6
I have some specific questions sorry to be blunt.
How does the preamp section compare to the Heritage which I like a lot. The Heritage is not too thick and not too sibilant/harsh at 2k like some Neve style clones. How does the AML compare in this specific regard ?
The EQ is a bonus but how is it ?
Lastly no output attenuation... hmmm I like output attenuation so I can drive the input harder if wanted.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 16, 2015 13:41:44 GMT -6
The output attenuation is probably not an issue if your looking for drive. I felt the AML was always a bit on the gritty side. The eq sounds nice which is a bonus. I also felt the AML was a little harsher in the high mids. That's not a bad thing though. Could be just what your looking for on a particular track. Both great amps but if I had to choose, I'd choose Heritage. Which I guess I did because I sold the AML and kept the Heritage.
But I'd sell it too. Bought the RTZs and haven't looked back!
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Post by drbill on Mar 16, 2015 16:52:43 GMT -6
Weird. "Harsh" and "Gritty" are not words I'd ever associate with my EZ-1073's. Sozo - try em for yourself. That's the only real way to know.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2015 17:10:26 GMT -6
The AML circuit is identical to the heritage, the heritage is over $1,000 more for those who think the look makes it better.
The fact is NEITHER is the real deal, they both use voltage dividers (to appease 16v 500 series rigs) that bump 16v to 24v, the real neve's are 24v all day long, the NV73 by don's is the only 500 series pre(no eq) that you can make 24v straight up, but you need a 51x box to run it, which happens to be the best deal and most versatile box on the market imo. Also AML makes the 1073 version in a rackmount unit that is an actual 24v circuit clone.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 16, 2015 17:21:00 GMT -6
I have a pair of the AML 500 series units which sound great. I have built a few rack units for clients and I have to admit the rack units sound a small % better. The only thing different is how they are powered. Everything else is the same circuit and parts.
They both sound great. I think if your questioning which brand to buy the eq is actually a nice bonus and well worth picking it over other 1073 style pres.
My 2 Cents
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Post by jsteiger on Mar 16, 2015 17:59:52 GMT -6
....The fact is NEITHER is the real deal, they both use voltage dividers (to appease 16v 500 series rigs) that bump 16v to 24v.... Sorry Tony, but this is not exactly accurate. I have no idea how Heritage is achieving the +24V in their 500 series modules but I do know what Colin does in the ez1073-500. He is in no way using a DC-DC converter, pump charge, buck-boost or anything like that. He is simply using the -16V rail as a 0V reference and then regulating from 32V (-16V to +16V = 32V) to 24V. It is very simple and elegant. So, the internal 0V reference is the -16V rail. I say internal to describe the circuitry between the module's input transformer and output transformer. Since both are floating with no reference to outside 0V, almost anything can be done between the iron. I will damn near guarantee that the +24V Colin has inside the ez1073-500 is absolutely no different than the +24V in his rack version. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2015 18:21:00 GMT -6
....The fact is NEITHER is the real deal, they both use voltage dividers (to appease 16v 500 series rigs) that bump 16v to 24v.... Sorry Tony, but this is not exactly accurate. I have no idea how Heritage is achieving the +24V in their 500 series modules but I do know what Colin does in the ez1073-500. He is in no way using a DC-DC converter, pump charge, buck-boost or anything like that. He is simply using the -16V rail as a 0V reference and then regulating from 32V (-16V to +16V = 32V) to 24V. It is very simple and elegant. So, the internal 0V reference is the -16V rail. I say internal to describe the circuitry between the module's input transformer and output transformer. Since both are floating with no reference to outside 0V, almost anything can be done between the iron. I will damn near guarantee that the +24V Colin has inside the ez1073-500 is absolutely no different than the +24V in his rack version. Hmm, i thought this convo already happened? your the man, I stand corrected, thanx Jeff! |
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Post by jsteiger on Mar 16, 2015 18:34:47 GMT -6
Maybe in an alternate dimension?  Just messin' brudda! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2015 18:38:43 GMT -6
I will say this - I took a Heritage Jr over to Sal's when he had the AML 500 series...and I thought the Heritage sounded better. (Thought the Heritage was thicker and bigger bottom) Now - that could have been confirmation bias - as I owned the Heritage. But - I swear - you all know me, I wouldn't have had any problem selling the Heritage and buying the AML. As it stands, I don't have wither. Anyway. I have heard some kind of acuusatory things about Heritage lately eg, they don't use some of the things they say they use...I absolutely cannot say whether that's true or not. All I know is that my experience with Heritiage has been very positive and I though their units sounded fabulous. I don't have one right now, but I have been contemplating buying another Neve style preamp and they're first on my list because of price, quality and personal experience.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2015 18:57:44 GMT -6
all the units mentioned are hi end pieces no doubt! jsteiger, doesn't the power supply providing straight 24v+- rails give more headroom than regulting off the 16+/16- for 32v? If not, what is the advantage for building for 24v other than less cost in parts? your minions want to know 8) (look at Jiminy when you read that) is it also true that Colin(AML) worked for Neve for years? |
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Post by jsteiger on Mar 16, 2015 19:52:07 GMT -6
Well, -16V to +8V will allow the same headroom as 0V to +24V. Its peak to peak and there is no dif as far as headroom.
You may be right about Colin working for Neve but I can't say for sure. I'll see if I can conjure him up.
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Post by sozocaps on Mar 16, 2015 19:56:32 GMT -6
The AML is a great value with EQ and the quality transformers etc I may get 2 for when I need eq for tracking etc even if it not perfect for everything...
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Post by jsteiger on Mar 16, 2015 19:58:04 GMT -6
The AML is a great value with EQ and the quality transformers etc I may get 2 for when I need eq for tracking etc.. I would highly recommend it but I am biased since I carry them at the store  |
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Post by sozocaps on Mar 16, 2015 19:59:30 GMT -6
The AML is a great value with EQ and the quality transformers etc I may get 2 for when I need eq for tracking etc.. I would highly recommend it but I am biased since I carry them at the store I've heard good things about them and I'm sure they are very good.... and for the money hew, no brainier! |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 16, 2015 20:08:27 GMT -6
Weird. "Harsh" and "Gritty" are not words I'd ever associate with my EZ-1073's. Sozo - try em for yourself. That's the only real way to know. Your probably right, maybe a poor choice of words. Can't think of a better way to describe the difference though. They don't sound alike to me. In the same ballpark but different. |
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Post by Randge on Mar 16, 2015 20:39:34 GMT -6
I have shot out the Heritage and the RTZ's recently. I still preferred the RTZ's and one could come pretty close to buying 3 of them for the price of one Heritage. Glad I made the choice to go all in for 12 channels, as I have yet to hear anything that beats them for what I do here. Its nice to hear that Cowboy is hearing things similarly. The RTZ's have that solid, clean and natural bottom along with a finished sweet top end that is highly detailed and never gets shrilly. The Heritage had the familiar Neve-ish masky hue that I don't like. Nothing some eq couldn't get rid of, but I would much rather not have to eq anything if I don't have to.
R
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Post by sozocaps on Mar 16, 2015 21:28:23 GMT -6
RTZ sounds like it would be more like the Avidis MA5 or GR-2NV ? I have 4 NV's I am looking for eq also now.
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Post by Randge on Mar 17, 2015 0:03:19 GMT -6
I have used my Great River MP-2NV a lot and still love them years later. They are the perfect neutral preamp that works on everything pretty dang well and so far, are the no problem solid smart purchase as advertised. I think Dan's products are all like that judging from the pair of 32's and 501's that I have here with the 2NV. I would say that the RTZ's are like that but have a little tighter bottom and silkier open top that really suits acoustic instruments and vocals. That pretty top that flatters but doesn't get sharp and metallic sounding. You can certainly push the input stage and get some fire-y grit when you want it though. I like to pad down drum mics and crank that input gain up and make drums snappy and aggressive. I find that I use less compression when I do and the overall recording is better. My favorite uses with the GR are on el guitars, bright female singers and fast transient percussion. They excel at those jobs and everyone could use a pair of Great Rivers in their collection. To me they are a modern studio staple preamp and a benchmark to judge others from. They, like the RTZ's, don't have that masky sound that other Neve and Neve like preamps possess. I haven't used an Avedis MA-5 but once and the room wasn't the best to make a recording in to determine a viewpoint on their character and use. I should rent one and try it out again.
R
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2015 7:05:52 GMT -6
I have shot out the Heritage and the RTZ's recently. I still preferred the RTZ's and one could come pretty close to buying 3 of them for the price of one Heritage. Glad I made the choice to go all in for 12 channels, as I have yet to hear anything that beats them for what I do here. Its nice to hear that Cowboy is hearing things similarly. The RTZ's have that solid, clean and natural bottom along with a finished sweet top end that is highly detailed and never gets shrilly. The Heritage had the familiar Neve-ish masky hue that I don't like. Nothing some eq couldn't get rid of, but I would much rather not have to eq anything if I don't have to. R I thought the RTZ 500 units were the same price as the Heritage - $895 |
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Post by Randge on Mar 17, 2015 8:57:47 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2015 10:15:47 GMT -6
I'm certainly not pimping for one or the other, but the non-EQ Heritage Jr. units are the same price as the RTZ's.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2015 10:16:01 GMT -6
I'd actually like to have one of both |
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Post by jsteiger on Mar 17, 2015 10:18:33 GMT -6
I'd actually like to have one of both You slut  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2015 10:24:48 GMT -6
How dare you! |
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Post by deehope on Mar 17, 2015 10:47:45 GMT -6
Anyone ever used the EA trannys in the ez1073? I much prefer those trannys to the carnhills.
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