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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 7:51:29 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 21, 2015 8:32:42 GMT -6
Thanks Kcat. I also had the same, and even bigger issue with Slate's VTM and FG-X, so it wasn't only the Relab, but Slate too. Hopefully you're right, and all will be fine.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2015 8:53:51 GMT -6
All I saw was 6 files of the new consoles. |
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Post by henge on Feb 21, 2015 8:54:30 GMT -6
i'd say yes, the whole thing has been updated so it will be much more cpu efficient. i find the effect still subtle but more apparent, I own it already and I don't care if it's cpu efficient. I'm just wondering if it SOUNDS different. I didn't like the last one (and I won't go into why here), and I'm inclined to not download unless there's something in it that sounds significantly different - not just updated for more efficiency and AAX, etc.. I know you said you don't want to go into why you didn't like the first one...but I'd really like to know why!!;-) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 9:49:52 GMT -6
u should see this ? look at the file names he is mixing up vcc1 and 2 examples   |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 9:52:12 GMT -6
Thanks Kcat. I also had the same, and even bigger issue with Slate's VTM and FG-X, so it wasn't only the Relab, but Slate too. Hopefully you're right, and all will be fine. No offence, I can't wait for you to upgrade that computer what will we have to talk about ,, oh ya music not tech problems |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 21, 2015 9:58:26 GMT -6
I hear ya bro. had to spend all my spending money on the new monitors, so the new computer will have to stay on the back burner for a while longer. It's a good problem though.
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Post by LesC on Feb 21, 2015 10:01:33 GMT -6
They updated the algos for RC-Tube and the US A, at the very least, in addition to adding the 4k E EDIT: And, just found this in the manual, which confirms the above... "Every console has been optimized so that it matches the original tone of it's analog counterpart with absolute precision. In most of the consoles, you'll likely not hear a difference. However, the US-A and RC-Tube models were modified to match some new reference units that we obtained, and while the changes are very subtle, we think they are for the better and hope you'll agree!" Mh but that is what Steven also said in the first release? Its the same like with UAD …. but now this time we did it. Oh no sorry the first time it was not precise - but now it is- buy it. How precise you can get? SHY I still love my RACK! There's one big difference from UAD, Slate doesn't ask you to repurchase the software when they upgrade it. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 21, 2015 10:55:23 GMT -6
I own it already and I don't care if it's cpu efficient. I'm just wondering if it SOUNDS different. I didn't like the last one (and I won't go into why here), and I'm inclined to not download unless there's something in it that sounds significantly different - not just updated for more efficiency and AAX, etc.. I know you said you don't want to go into why you didn't like the first one...but I'd really like to know why!!;-) I don't really think this thread is the place, sorry. |
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Post by watchtower on Feb 21, 2015 11:07:17 GMT -6
They updated the algos for RC-Tube and the US A, at the very least, in addition to adding the 4k E EDIT: And, just found this in the manual, which confirms the above... "Every console has been optimized so that it matches the original tone of it's analog counterpart with absolute precision. In most of the consoles, you'll likely not hear a difference. However, the US-A and RC-Tube models were modified to match some new reference units that we obtained, and while the changes are very subtle, we think they are for the better and hope you'll agree!" Mh but that is what Steven also said in the first release? Its the same like with UAD …. but now this time we did it. Oh no sorry the first time it was not precise - but now it is- buy it. How precise you can get? SHY I still love my RACK! I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. For the US A and the RC-Tube, they actually modeled different reference units from the original VCC. The same consoles, but different specific specimens. The rest of the consoles are the same, and they even say you wont hear a difference. the console algos had to be rewritten because the original code was not compatible with the new framework. So it's not the same code as VCC 1, but it still matches the consoles with "precision." |
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Post by watchtower on Feb 21, 2015 11:10:04 GMT -6
u should see this ? look at the file names he is mixing up vcc1 and 2 examples No, he isn't. Re-read his description. It's all 6 VCC 2.0 consoles and a control/bypass/no VCC |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 11:53:06 GMT -6
oops my bad , nice catch watchtower, I just saw the vcc 1 and vcc 2
vcc2 also has the new ssl console which may be my favourite.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 11:55:59 GMT -6
Mh but that is what Steven also said in the first release? Its the same like with UAD …. but now this time we did it. Oh no sorry the first time it was not precise - but now it is- buy it. How precise you can get? SHY I still love my RACK! There's one big difference from UAD, Slate doesn't ask you to repurchase the software when they upgrade it. he hasn't here either if you own vcc you get vcc2 at no cost, if you don't own it, the new vcc2 is $149 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2015 16:57:37 GMT -6
Not sure it's much different than the first iteration, but I had a 2 mix that I dropped the bus version on and I could hear differences in each of the consoles. Think I liked the SSL E and Neve the best. Really like that you have an input and output now and drive the amount of crunch you want. Very nice. And this was just with the one instance of the bus console...Looking forward to doing my next song using this from the beginning. The revival thingy is pretty awesome too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 19:15:43 GMT -6
Revival is free too talk about ear candy come ons ! slate will get you curious about vmr and bingo your hooked He is to release a trim plug next week which I think controls for gain between the direct plugs in a chain and then the last straw FG-X with its completely redone software is supposed to drop soon and I believe it is in VMR too. so if you are a slate fan, this means that you can have vmr on all your tracks, busses and the master fader and you can have multiple instances of vcc2 on all of those and load your mastering plugs (VBC, VTM and FG-X and relab 480) on the 2 buss. They (slate and fabrice) must be going to release a version of eiosis air EQ that will run in vmr and then you will have a tracking,buss and mastering eq finally i am not a fan of subscription services but slate will give you all this ( not Air eq) for 19 a month or $25 a month to include relab480, plus all future plugs, you can stop and re start anytime, he will give you credit ( free months) to offset fees for having purchased plugs in the past if you want to become a subscriber to get new plugs and a part of your monthly fees ( rumoured to be $200 usd) after the first year can be applied to outright purchase plugs. You may or may not appreciate all things slate but the guy is sure prepared to step up,do his homework, kiss his babe, blow on and roll the dice and innovate ! |
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2015 20:07:12 GMT -6
Mh but that is what Steven also said in the first release? Its the same like with UAD …. but now this time we did it. Oh no sorry the first time it was not precise - but now it is- buy it. How precise you can get? SHY I still love my RACK! I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. For the US A and the RC-Tube, they actually modeled different reference units from the original VCC. The same consoles, but different specific specimens. The rest of the consoles are the same, and they even say you wont hear a difference. the console algos had to be rewritten because the original code was not compatible with the new framework. So it's not the same code as VCC 1, but it still matches the consoles with "precision." Ok that clears up everything. In the Slate writing you can get a very different impression. THX. |
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Post by LesC on Feb 21, 2015 20:25:26 GMT -6
There's one big difference from UAD, Slate doesn't ask you to repurchase the software when they upgrade it. he hasn't here either if you own vcc you get vcc2 at no cost, if you don't own it, the new vcc2 is $149 I think you're agreeing with me? |
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Post by LesC on Feb 21, 2015 20:29:31 GMT -6
And yes, Fabrice has stated that he will be giving a VMR version of AirEQ to all AirEQ purchasers, though I don't think a timeframe has been specified.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 21, 2015 21:14:08 GMT -6
yes we are in violent agreement , but ua has not left clients tilt in the wind for two years plus with non aax plugs unlike a certain other company ! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 21, 2015 22:41:07 GMT -6
Exactly. Eventually, no one pays attention to the boy who cries wolf.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 22, 2015 6:32:09 GMT -6
well reading between the lines i think the aax updates have been way more work then they originally thought, then i guess they had the vmr idea and software had to be written to run in vmr as a skin.
even Steven has admitted the fg-x needed a lot more work then they realized at first,peut etre c'est la vie de la technologie !
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 22, 2015 7:57:40 GMT -6
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Post by LesC on Feb 22, 2015 19:00:14 GMT -6
yes we are in violent agreement , but ua has not left clients tilt in the wind for two years plus with non aax plugs unlike a certain other company ! Obviously we all have our own perspectives. For several years UA not only didn't upgrade to 64-bit but actually belittled their customers who requested it, saying it wasn't necessary. Out of all the plugins I use, UA was the last to do that upgrade. So UA left some of us tilting in the wind and berated us for asking, behaviour I haven't seen from Slate. Also, UA has decided that some of their customer base doesn't matter. Their newer products don't have Windows drivers. I am so glad I sold my quad UAD2 card and 60 or so plugins last year. I'm happily using Slate, Fabfilter, Soundtoys, etc. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 22, 2015 19:24:26 GMT -6
True dat LesC ! hmm, all UA plugs were AAX 64 bit a long time ago,, ua wasn't first out of the gate but they certainly weren't last. Not certain who exactly berated you but UA's official position was to move to 64 bit and AAX and they did. With slate, we only got vcc last week and are still waiting of fg-x. Personally, i didn't buy slate plugs to mothball them for two years + but that is what happened. I understand window's users' frustration, but don't completely buy the its UA's responsibility to fix Microsoft tbolt driver problem argument. So i guess we differ there. I ditched my window's computer a few years ago and got an apple, never looked back. I certainly agree there are lots of very good plugs out there and I too enjoy fab filter, kush and some soundtoys. Which soundtoys are you running ? I understand your decision re: UA, I do think they are very good plugs but I like you have ended up with a really big investment in them and sometimes i wonder about that? But console 2 will add many attractive features to UA's gui, but sometimes I wonder what happened to my initial hope to just have a simple good recording system What interface are you running now (RME ?) and how is that working out for you ? |
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Post by LesC on Feb 23, 2015 8:43:44 GMT -6
True dat LesC ! hmm, all UA plugs were AAX 64 bit a long time ago,, ua wasn't first out of the gate but they certainly weren't last. Not certain who exactly berated you but UA's official position was to move to 64 bit and AAX and they did. With slate, we only got vcc last week and are still waiting of fg-x. Personally, i didn't buy slate plugs to mothball them for two years + but that is what happened. I understand window's users' frustration, but don't completely buy the its UA's responsibility to fix Microsoft tbolt driver problem argument. So i guess we differ there. I ditched my window's computer a few years ago and got an apple, never looked back. I certainly agree there are lots of very good plugs out there and I too enjoy fab filter, kush and some soundtoys. Which soundtoys are you running ? I understand your decision re: UA, I do think they are very good plugs but I like you have ended up with a really big investment in them and sometimes i wonder about that? But console 2 will add many attractive features to UA's gui, but sometimes I wonder what happened to my initial hope to just have a simple good recording system What interface are you running now (RME ?) and how is that working out for you ? Hi kcatthedog. You're right, UA wasn't the last to go 64-bit, but they were the last of my plugins by at least two years. Again, our perceptions are based on our personal experiences. I've been happily using 64-bit Slate plugins because I use Cubase. UA never berated me, I'm usually "eh"-rated, being Canadian. But they certainly tried to imply that their customers who were asking for 64-bit support didn't understand what they were doing. Here's an example of an extremely condescending article from February 2010: www.uaudio.com/blog/64-bit-os-fact-from-fiction/ Here's an excerpt: They also stated that 64-bit support was the number one user request, and they finally had it over 2 1/2 years later, Nov. 28 2012. I agree that it's not UA's responsibility to fix Windows' Thunderbolt problems. So why can't they include a USB 2 or USB 3 port as well? New multi-channel interfaces from RME, Lynx, Antelope and others have USB interfaces and Windows support. I'm personally not interested in recording with effects and I monitor everything through a mixer to minimize latency, so the performance hit of USB vs. Thunderbolt wouldn't be an issue. And if I ever decide that I do need Thunderbolt for some reason, then the port would be there. It would make the Apollo marketable to Windows users. Is creating a USB driver that difficult that UA is willing to give up lots of potential sales? I honestly don't know. My Apple/PC experience is the opposite of yours. Using Cubase and Logic on a high-end Mac, I had such frequent crashes that it was embarrassing. It was difficult to get more than 30 minutes of recording done before having to reboot, more typical was 15 minutes. I finally had to go to ADAT's, I ended up with four ADAT XT-20's, and used Cubase strictly for midi. When Windows XP came out, I decided to give it a try. Wow, it was a revelation. Using an RME 9652 card and an RME ADI-8 Pro (both Steinberg branded), it was rock-solid. I never looked back. It's funny you mention about the investment in UA plugins, I was thinking the same thing. One thing I really disliked about UA is the lack of pre-announcements. Some people hate that Slate pre-pre-pre-pre-announces products and delivers several years later. I actually like that. In the mean time I can use something else, but at least I have an idea about what's coming. UA is the opposite. Several times I bought expensive UA plugins, only to find that a month or two later new UA plugins came out that I preferred. Since UA doesn't let you sell individual plugins, I ended up with many plugins that I never used. I was quite relieved when I was able to sell all my UA plugins for a reasonable price, and now I'm free to pick and choose from all the native options that are generally available at lower prices. For what I consider the really critical stuff, I'm tending to go back to hardware. My modest input chain is Neve-flavored Heritage DMA73 and/or API-flavoured Warm Audio TB12's, and a WA76. I may add the EQP-WA to that. I'm thinking of adding a 2-buss/mastering compressor, maybe a pair of Kush Tweakers or a pair of Daking Fet II's or a Fet III or something else, I'm just not sure yet. I have to ruminate about these sorts of things and do a lot of research for quite a while before pulling the trigger. The interface I'm currently using is an RME UFX. I love the drivers, it is unbelievably stable. Sometimes I don't reboot for a month, and everything just keeps working (Win 7, Cubase 8). It's such a pleasure not to even have to consider the system crashing while recording with someone else. For 2 channels of higher-end input I use a Burl B2 ADC connected via AES/EBU. For monitoring I use the DAC that's in my Dangerous Source monitor controller, connected via AES/EBU. I would like two more channels of higher-end input, and 2 more channels of higher-end output to feed an analog 2-buss/mastering chain. I recently tried a Lynx Hilo to replace my UFX, but I couldn't get it to be stable. Semi-regular freezes and BSOD's, enough to make me uncomfortable, so I returned it to L&M. I think if I had worked with Lynx they would have been able to sort out my problems, but unfortunately for most of my 30-day trial my wife and I were very ill with some kind of flu. It's the first time in the 16 years that I've been teaching that I actually cancelled a lecture, so it was pretty serious. My hope is that svart's box will be as high quality as we expect, and that he will have an ADAT interface available in the near future. I could just add one or two of his boxes to my UFX and have great conversion and solid drivers. In retrospect, I'm a bit sorry I didn't buy the 2192 you sold a year or two ago, with it's ADAT interface I probably wouldn't be thinking about this situation anymore. Anyway, back to Slate. Free update, hurray! |
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