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Post by ericn on Feb 16, 2015 18:09:10 GMT -6
That would be cool, but I think it has to be done by them, I don't think it's something they can put a switch in for. It would not be to hard to put switched or a pot in the crossover, many others have done this.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 16, 2015 22:09:52 GMT -6
Well, I've ordered the Avantones. They should be here by Friday. I'll keep everyone here posted.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 19, 2015 2:24:51 GMT -6
A buddy of mine is selling his Solo 6be's as he picked up a pair of these and swears they're the best speakers he's ever heard. www.equatoraudio.com/D8-Studio-Monitors-with-DSP-Pair-p/d8.htm "my search for the perfect monitors is over". He's listening thru a symphony i/o. We have the same setup (he does have a monitor controller cuz he has other monitors), so his listening experience is pretty similar to mine (symphony -> focals), excluding the room differences. Check 'em out, maybe. they're cheap enough to not kill your bank account if you aren't sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:02:09 GMT -6
A buddy of mine is selling his Solo 6be's as he picked up a pair of these and swears they're the best speakers he's ever heard. www.equatoraudio.com/D8-Studio-Monitors-with-DSP-Pair-p/d8.htm "my search for the perfect monitors is over". He's listening thru a symphony i/o. We have the same setup (he does have a monitor controller cuz he has other monitors), so his listening experience is pretty similar to mine (symphony -> focals), excluding the room differences. Check 'em out, maybe. they're cheap enough to not kill your bank account if you aren't sure. That's what I have already , I mentioned them about 90% through this thread. But great to see there are many others enjoying them, they are great lil' speakers.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2015 9:06:36 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I'll have a listen to Equators when I can. For now though, I just wanted to have some big bottom for a change, and to experience a 3 way speaker, y'know?
I just got tired of little monitors, and wanted at least a touch of that big studio feeling. The Avantones are nearly full range, 28 hz to 35khz, with 200w to the bottom, 100w to mids, and 100w to the highs, that should give me some real headroom. One thing I liked was they sounded reasonably full at low volume, but of course, I won't really know for sure until they're here. I'm expecting them this evening, but it might be a day or two until I can set them up and start breaking them in.
Two summer's back, at the NYC AES show, I listened to Alan Sides Ocean Way monitors in a private room, I don't recall if it was HR3 or HR2, but man, the impact and clarity of those speakers with the Focusrite Red Net system was inspiring to say the least, and I've wanted me some of that ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:08:32 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I'll have a listen to Equators when I can. For now though, I just wanted to have some big bottom for a change, y'know? I just got tired of little monitors, and wanted at least a touch of that big studio feeling. The Avantones are nearly full range, 28 hz to 35khz. By the way, Seth got in touch about the MixTowers. I'll be checking them out soon and can report back, they are pretty wide ranged too 42hz I believe? But it's the mixcube portion that's interesting.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2015 9:27:25 GMT -6
Great news. Seth's a straight up guy, and he knows what he's talking about. I'd bet they're cool. It's possible they would have been an even better choice for my needs, but once I'd heard the Abbey's, I just looked no further. Let us know what you think shadowamd.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 19, 2015 9:39:04 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I'll have a listen to Equators when I can. For now though, I just wanted to have some big bottom for a change, and to experience a 3 way speaker, y'know? I just got tired of little monitors, and wanted at least a touch of that big studio feeling. The Avantones are nearly full range, 28 hz to 35khz, with 200w to the bottom, 100w to mids, and 100w to the highs, that should give me some real headroom. One thing I liked was they sounded reasonably full at low volume, but of course, I won't really know for sure until they're here. I'm expecting them this evening, but it might be a day or two until I can set them up and start breaking them in. Two summer's back, at the NYC AES show, I listened to Alan Sides Ocean Way monitors in a private room, I don't recall if it was HR3 or HR2, but man, the impact and clarity of those speakers with the Focusrite Red Net system was inspiring to say the least, and I've wanted me some of that ever since. Aren't you mixing in a small corner of a living room in a NY apartment? Won't big, full range speakers be too much for your space?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2015 11:14:36 GMT -6
Yep ! You're right jcoutou. I'm planning on taking over the whole room and putting the speakers in the middle soon. One thing I liked about the Abbey's was they sounded good at low levels, so hopefully I'll be OK in the corner until I do the switcharound.
As for my neighbors, well, I never pump up the volume past 8:00 PM and usually only for a little while for 20-30 minutes during the daytime.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 19, 2015 22:55:45 GMT -6
The Abbey's are in da house! I'll post a photo tomorrow.
Had to jam them in a corner, but will try to move the desk to a better location. I need a bigger desk now, my keyboard doesn't fit with the speakers. No impression yet, other than they look like Ferdinand Porsche designed a Bentley. They're incredibly well made and beautifully designed. The piano black finish is as nice as I've ever seen. Of course it doesn't matter if it doesn't sound good, but if it sounds as good as it looks, I'll be in monitor Nirvana once they break in.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 20, 2015 0:23:32 GMT -6
I'm going to play the devils advocate here a bit. I found not one review on the abbeys? I'd like to know, are these Polypropylene drivers? Paper pulp = accurate, my Mackie's have pp. Some info on the amp? I can't even find a high Rez pic? Can they be 1/2'd and 1/4 spaced? if not, that is going to be a big problem for u MJB, even centered on a wall, they're on a wall. I used my Mackies in 1/4 for many years. Do these come with a satisfaction guarantee return period?
that said, I like the minimum refracting shape, and they look very pretty, if they are easy translators, and sound as good as they look, then they'll be a winner?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 20, 2015 4:13:18 GMT -6
enjoy your new babies Martin, very interested in your thoughts on these !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2015 8:37:25 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I know what you mean Tony, there's scant info on them. It was simply that I got to listen to them in a room with a bunch of standard types of near field monitors, Eve, Adam's, and I'm familiar with the Neumann's and Focal Alpha's and Solo6 Be, and the Presonus Sceptre, and honestly, these were just in another league altogether. Now, when put up next to their real competitors, you know, the $4000 -$5,000 monitors, it might be another story. They've revoiced them, so it'll take me a little time to break them in and then see how I feel about it. Seth from Avantone said that the mds are more balanced and smooth now. I thought they were fine in the first place, but he knows them well, and I trust his opinion, so the updated Abbey's should be even more smokin'.
I think the port design helps when they're on a wall. Eventually, I'll find my way to a room where I don't have to position them like this, but for now, it's OK. I only listened at low levels to a few tracks last night, but it's very clear I've been EQ-ing incorrectly, I just couldn't hear it on the Adams, and was pumping he frequencies the Adams were lacking in. I'll have to get used to real bass again, these things have monster bass for a cabinet this size.
I'll see if I can dig up some detailed info, maybe Seth will help us out in that regard.
Oh, and you're right, there aren't any high res pics I could find. These things are one of the classiest looking monitors I've ever seen, and I bet for those people with clients, they would add a nice touch to their presentations.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2015 8:50:57 GMT -6
There's some paper involved I think Tony, but I can't tell too much from the website's spec sheet.
SYSTEM TYPE: Active (Self-Powered) full-range stereo pair SYSTEM FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 35Hz-38,000Hz (Accessible musical range) MAX SPL: 106dB @ 1 meter (pink noise); 108dB at 1 meter @1%THD (1kHz) AMPLIFIER: Class HD High and Mid Frequency: each 100WRMS, THD+N=0.5% Low Frequency: 200WRMS, THD+N=0.5% AMP FREQ. RESPONSE: 22Hz-40KHz +1dB/- 3dB (50Hz-25KHz +/-0.25dB) NOISE: S/N -113 dB "A" Weighted; THD+N=<0.2%@100w into 4 ohms. COOLING: Heat Sink-Aluminum panel DRIVERS: High Frequency: Proprietary design, 3640mm2 air motion transformer Mid Frequency: Proprietary Design 4 ohm 5.25" Cast Aluminum Frame / Paper Cone/Shielded, 25mm voice coil. Low Frequency: two custom designed 6.5" drivers with cast aluminum frame, 34mm voice coil CABINET: Bass reflex design /18mm MDF/ with polyester acoustical stuffing INPUTS: XLR & TRS +4dB Balanced and -10dB unbalanced SENSITIVITY: 0dBu (.775VRMS) input at maximum volume (+6dB) = 104dB SPL CABINET DIMENSIONS: 270Wx360Hx385D (10.6"x14.2"x15.2") CABINET WEIGHT: 16kg (35.2lb) WARRANTY: 5 Year Limited Warranty to original purchaser
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Post by ericn on Feb 20, 2015 9:09:17 GMT -6
Martin, The re-voicing of a speaker I fell in love would scare me, I would make sure I can return them if I didn't like them or that the manufacture would either custom tune them back to the original or find an original pair if this no voice didn't work for me.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2015 9:17:03 GMT -6
SYSTEM FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 35Hz-38,000Hz (Accessible musical range) Is there any info on what this really means? 3db down? 6? 12? If it means 3db, that is an impressive spec. Best of luck Martin with your new monitors!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2015 9:21:26 GMT -6
Hey Matt, I'll ask Seth if he can give us a few more details.
Eric, I don't think it would be problem to change back if I preferred the voicing as I first heard it. I've been concerned about this too, but even at late night, low volume, it seemed to have the same transparency I was so attracted to, so I'm not worried yet.
Tony, according to the manual, the midrange speaker is made from "paper cone, using the latest FEA modeling, and "old school" speaker design. The finest Canadian pulp material is blended with carbon and mica fibers for rigidity and accuracy at low frequencies. The cloth surround material is made in Japan". The motor structure is 1008 low carbon steel.
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Post by raddistribution on Feb 20, 2015 10:07:50 GMT -6
This is going to make you feel great about the purchase... The voicing revision only affected the mixtowers. The changes made to the Abbeys only concerned a noise interference issue. The issue itself was incredibly rare in abbeys but we are fixing the issue proactively. The voicing itself is completely unchanged so you should love them just as much as you did.
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Post by raddistribution on Feb 20, 2015 10:12:10 GMT -6
SYSTEM FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 35Hz-38,000Hz (Accessible musical range) Is there any info on what this really means? 2db down? 6? 12? If it means 2db, that is an impressive spec. Best of luck Martin with your new monitors! That measurement is at -3dB
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2015 10:35:33 GMT -6
That's cool Seth, I trusted you when it came to the voicing anyway, so I'll stop saying "revoiced" now :-)
I'm having my first listen this morning, nothing heavy, just some favorite tracks. Lyle Lovett's "Road to Ensenada", Mark Knopfler's "Sailing to Philadelphia", Ryan Adam's "Two". I'll say this, I can REALLY hear differences in microphones. Now, I may stick my foot in it, but Knopfler's sound is an obvious vintage mic, (Elam 251?) and Lovett's is a U67, which in comparison to the way it sounded when I listened on the A7X's, is much "thinner" than I thought. In fact, it sounds quite similar to my mic, which was a huge surprise, because Lovette's track was my vocal sound benchmark, and I thought his was far superior to mine, and with the Avantone's it's truly easy to hear these subtleties, and just how close my mic is. I think all I need is a 1073 pre to get closer to where I want to go.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 20, 2015 12:53:17 GMT -6
So far, I'm not listening to speakers. They're so transparent, and the soundstage so real, I'm just hearing the music float in front of me, the speakers just disappear. Until I get some high res pictures, they look like the guy who designed this made them: Attachments:
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 22, 2015 17:56:27 GMT -6
Cellphone pics will suffice.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 22, 2015 21:26:41 GMT -6
asap bannedchuck.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 25, 2015 11:09:59 GMT -6
Best I could do bannedchuck. I can't quite show how smoothly the contours on the front are rendered. The last time I saw then so skillfully done was on a pair of Avalon Eidelon's.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 25, 2015 11:50:18 GMT -6
interesting as you have the directionality of the mid range and tweater working for you and the crossover freq tuned a little high so voice is very smooth
bass out both sides so the omnidirectionality is also working for you and front ports so can be back against a wall
how are they burning in ?
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