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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 15, 2015 9:28:12 GMT -6
yes jcoutou, I would love to, but the Avantones are such a new speaker, and not ubiquitous, so I haven't seen a pair selling used yet. I'd jump on that in a heartbeat if it was in the Classifieds or a Buy it Now on eBay.
shadowamd, I didn't see the Mix Towers, but they're really interesting, and I would have enjoyed listening to them.
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Post by nomatic on Feb 15, 2015 9:49:23 GMT -6
I must say the Amphion one 15 and one18 are the only speakers I am recommending to my mastering clients.. I would encourage all of you to test these. They dust all of the small monitors I have used including Barefoot MM27s and ATCs.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:12 GMT -6
I must say the Amphion one 15 and one18 are the only speakers I am recommending to my mastering clients.. I would encourage all of you to test these. They dust all of the small monitors I have used including Barefoot MM27s and ATCs. Look beautiful too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2015 10:32:20 GMT -6
Yes been following amphion ; the in home no question return policy is very cool but you need a good amp too. I am up in cdn and they don't have their distribution sorted; something about scandanavian sled dogs crying in their leads jcoutu1 what amp are you using ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:42:24 GMT -6
Yes been following amphion ; the in home no question return policy is very cool but you need a good amp too. I am up in cdn and they don't have their distribution sorted; something about scandanavian sled dogs crying in their leads jcoutu1 what amp are you using ? I don't have Amphions. They are on the list if I get some cash though. I have PMC TB1's with an Emotiva XPA-200.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2015 11:03:29 GMT -6
oh poor boy, ONLY pmc tb1's , ah thats a first world recording problem right ?
seriously how do you like their non port design ? etc
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Post by nomatic on Feb 15, 2015 11:06:46 GMT -6
I spent some time with the one18s at a clients home studio with a bunch of my work over the years and I heard stuff none of the other systems showed me. It was obvious what changes were needed to a mix without the stark analytical presentation of a mastering monitor. Amazing phantom center and phase accuracy. Low end below 40hz and very easy to make kick and bass tweaks. The translation is insane. I am saving for a pair!
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 15, 2015 11:07:42 GMT -6
Aluminum driver? Papernpulp are known to be most detailed and accurate no? Isn't accuracy A-1 most important? I'm no expert on monitors, just curious
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2015 11:14:00 GMT -6
I am hearing consistently very positive things from people about the amphion Tony you can literally have a pair in your house for 30 days and return no question asked, if you have power amps why not try some ? you can email Anssi the owner to chat if you want helpful and knowledgable guy. Anssi Hyvönen <anssi@amphion.fi> I was going to plunk down a deposit but I got anssi about it
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Post by ericn on Feb 15, 2015 11:23:04 GMT -6
Aluminum driver? Papernpulp are known to be most detailed and accurate no? Isn't accuracy A-1 most important? I'm no expert on monitors, just curious There have been a lot of speaker manufacturers embracing Aluminum cones recently, not my taste, but than acurrate speakers are an oxymoron. As I keep saying you don't listen to monitors you listen through them. A speaker that "shoes things that no other shows " can just as easily be wrong as right, part of using a speaker is knowing when it's lying to you, that's most often based on what the majority of other speakers are going to sound like. I would love to use full range planers or Electrostatics in the studio, but when I have the final product just won't play well with even some of the best dynamic speakers the soundstage and detaile just disappear .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:38:27 GMT -6
I had a trip to the pro audio store today, I have up to $4k to spend on monitors. Every time I chose Coax based setups (with DSP) as my favourites. Great crossover / great linearity (well as far as monitors concerend). These are what they had in stock, Eve SC407, Focal Twins, Avantone Abbey, Genelec 8050B, Presonus Sceptre's..
I'm going to get some Sceptre's me thinks, as much as I love the Equators. The build quality hasn't exactly been great, I sent one of them back.. Now my left side speaker is crapping out, I can still recommend them because they are dirt cheap and for the amount I used them they've paid me back several times over.
But I'm VERY interested int the Sceptre's, never thought I'd buy anything from Presonus. They're actually quite expensive over here, $1550.00.
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Post by nomatic on Feb 15, 2015 11:54:29 GMT -6
The Amphion is interesting as they have a aluminum cone and a Titanium tweeter but they sound just lovely. The details are not hyper accentuated to the point of over analysis just very obvious. I have been through most of the major players in the last 20 or so years and these translate better than some very expensive systems and are quite forgiving of room acoustics. To give an idea I felt dunlevys were not quite enough so I had custom 3way DEQX based mains built with Raal, Accuton and scan speak drivers. After hearing these small wonders I considered selling my mains and getting there Two18 model.
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Post by ericn on Feb 15, 2015 12:03:03 GMT -6
I had a trip to the pro audio store today, I have up to $4k to spend on monitors. Every time I chose Coax based setups (with DSP) as my favourites. Great crossover / great linearity (well as far as monitors concerend). These are what they had in stock, Eve SC407, Focal Twins, Avantone Abbey, Genelec 8050B, Presonus Sceptre's.. I'm going to get some Sceptre's me thinks, as much as I love the Equators. The build quality hasn't exactly been great, I sent one of them back.. Now my left side speaker is crapping out, I can still recommend them because they are dirt cheap and for the amount I used them they've paid me back several times over. But I'm VERY interested int the Sceptre's, never thought I'd buy anything from Presonus. They're actually quite expensive over here, $1550.00. The Sceptrres are a great sounding box, who ever at Presonous Hired Paul to design a studio monitor should get a raise.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 15, 2015 12:05:03 GMT -6
Aluminum driver? Papernpulp are known to be most detailed and accurate no? Isn't accuracy A-1 most important? I'm no expert on monitors, just curious There have been a lot of speaker manufacturers embracing Aluminum cones recently, not my taste, but than acurrate speakers are an oxymoron. As I keep saying you don't listen to monitors you listen through them. A speaker that "shoes things that no other shows " can just as easily be wrong as right, part of using a speaker is knowing when it's lying to you, that's most often based on what the majority of other speakers are going to sound like. I would love to use full range planers or Electrostatics in the studio, but when I have the final product just won't play well with even some of the best dynamic speakers the soundstage and detail just disappear . this is semantics to me bromee, of course you want to hear what it is you working on unencumbered by a lackluster monitor design, Accuracy, transparency, detailed, ...whatever you want to call it, i "listening through" my HR824's all the time, if i listened to "them" id cry lol, that said they hype problem areas IMV, S's, transients and mid low whoof is pronounced, so if you can make that disappear while using them, you're on to something, not very inspiring though.. Moving forward I want something thats real to life, not hyping or hiding anything, what i hear is what i get, but still nonclinical and enjoyable to listen to... I'm sure that is asking too much and i will need to find a compromise, that is why i'm starting with a Jim Williams adcom power amp to hamster wheel top of the line drivers in the diy ProAc's, i hope they are the shit??? If not, i'll move on (this will be the last, and arguably most important move i make here....probably 2020 or so lol 8)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 15, 2015 12:22:01 GMT -6
What first got me going in this direction was the Presonus Sceptres. I heard them at Guitar Center, and the low end was superb, clean muscular, not bloated, but not thin at all, a big sound. The thing was, I was able to compare them directly to my Adams, the Focal Solo6 Be, the Neumann's and a few others. The mids where the vocals resides was reserved, kinda scooped out, leaving the lows and highs prominent, which was still a good sound, but ultimately not what I needed. The Solo6 was huge, great on the vocals, thin, but quite good. I heard the Avantones at a different store, so I couldn't A-B them, but they resolved details beautifully without etching them, and then they did the magic trick of just disappearing. I was right in front of them and couldn't tell the sound was coming from the speakers, there was just music, midair on a soundstage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 12:38:23 GMT -6
I had a trip to the pro audio store today, I have up to $4k to spend on monitors. Every time I chose Coax based setups (with DSP) as my favourites. Great crossover / great linearity (well as far as monitors concerend). These are what they had in stock, Eve SC407, Focal Twins, Avantone Abbey, Genelec 8050B, Presonus Sceptre's.. I'm going to get some Sceptre's me thinks, as much as I love the Equators. The build quality hasn't exactly been great, I sent one of them back.. Now my left side speaker is crapping out, I can still recommend them because they are dirt cheap and for the amount I used them they've paid me back several times over. But I'm VERY interested int the Sceptre's, never thought I'd buy anything from Presonus. They're actually quite expensive over here, $1550.00. The Sceptrres are a great sounding box, who ever at Presonous Hired Paul to design a studio monitor should get a raise. Definatley, some quite interesting stuff coming out of Fluid Audio as well in the Coax department. The guy who builds these worked for Avid's monitor dept.
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Post by ericn on Feb 15, 2015 12:46:33 GMT -6
There have been a lot of speaker manufacturers embracing Aluminum cones recently, not my taste, but than acurrate speakers are an oxymoron. As I keep saying you don't listen to monitors you listen through them. A speaker that "shoes things that no other shows " can just as easily be wrong as right, part of using a speaker is knowing when it's lying to you, that's most often based on what the majority of other speakers are going to sound like. I would love to use full range planers or Electrostatics in the studio, but when I have the final product just won't play well with even some of the best dynamic speakers the soundstage and detail just disappear . this is semantics to me bromee, of course you want to hear what it is you working on unencumbered by a lackluster monitor design, Accuracy, transparency, detailed, ...whatever you want to call it, i "listening through" my HR824's all the time, if i listened to "them" id cry lol, that said they hype problem areas IMV, S's, transients and mid low whoof is pronounced, so if you can make that disappear while using them, you're on to something, not very inspiring though.. Moving forward I want something thats real to life, not hyping or hiding anything, what i hear is what i get, but still nonclinical and enjoyable to listen to... I'm sure that is asking too much and i will need to find a compromise, that is why i'm starting with a Jim Williams adcom power amp to hamster wheel top of the line drivers in the diy ProAc's, i hope they are the shit??? If not, i'll move on (this will be the last, and arguably most important move i make here....probably 2020 or so lol 8) If we use reality as a reference we realize speakers suck ! It's part of why many use multiple monitors ( this one dose this right this one this ) every speaker is a compromise, and the concept of putting an amp that produces heat near a driver that not only needs to stay cool but who's performance changes with tempature baffeles me. Amphion may be the holy grail, but I am always skeptical of any of these speakers that develop a cult like devotion! I know my Questeds suck, it's that I know how they suck And how ATC, ProAC PMC suck that makes them useable. Also I feel a monitor has to do at least. 35hz, I hear so much bad lowend because guys just don't know what's going on with monitors and rooms that have no lowend. It's like if I can't hear it it isn't there!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 12:54:12 GMT -6
What first got me going in this direction was the Presonus Sceptres. I heard them at Guitar Center, and the low end was superb, clean muscular, not bloated, but not thin at all, a big sound. The thing was, I was able to compare them directly to my Adams, the Focal Solo6 Be, the Neumann's and a few others. The mids where the vocals resides was reserved, kinda scooped out, leaving the lows and highs prominent, which was still a good sound, but ultimately not what I needed. The Solo6 was huge, great on the vocals, thin, but quite good. I heard the Avantones at a different store, so I couldn't A-B them, but they resolved details beautifully without etching them, and then they did the magic trick of just disappearing. I was right in front of them and couldn't tell the sound was coming from the speakers, there was just music, midair on a soundstage. Well if you've heard the Sceptres then the Equators are pretty much the same with more mid detail in them and a slightly better stereo image, but they have a slight habbit of going a bit awry after two or three years and the Sceptres had a slightly better bass response. I'll probably just end up buying some more Equators tbh, but I am impressed with the Sceptre's must admit .. There's also the APS coax monitors that got great reviews, out of everything I've ever bought in my studio Coax monitors by far made the biggest difference. I'm sure there are much better than PRE / Equator and APS out there, but I've yet to find them. Funnily enough I've tried some Equator Q10's and I really didn't like them LOL!. Big Edit: One thing I noticed between the two COAX's, even though the design is quite similar the way they work is very different. Equators are the epitome of "near field" you ideally want to be 2 feet away from them.. When you start to get around 4 feet they tend not to work as intended, whereas the Sceptre's required you to be at LEAST 3 feet away from them for you to get the correct stereo image and they need to be positioned wider than the equators too. So a lot of this comes down to the size of your room. But one thing I've found with Coax, you don't have to sit bolt up-right in a certain position to get the best out of the stereo image. You can move around a fair bit and it doesn't matter, with the Focals and even the Event Opals I couldn't get away with it nowhere near as much. www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/equator-d8-590063
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Post by nomatic on Feb 15, 2015 12:55:30 GMT -6
The proof is in the pudding and a very inexperienced engineer did his first mixes in a new room with these speakers and kncked it out of the park. I don't care how the Amphions suck they translate and its quick to hear what to do and fun to listen to... They destroy my old Barefoots.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 13:05:58 GMT -6
The proof is in the pudding and a very inexperienced engineer did his first mixes in a new room with these speakers and kncked it out of the park. I don't care how the Amphions suck they translate and its quick to hear what to do and fun to listen to... They destroy my old Barefoots..... I have to admit I'm very interested, but there's literally nowhere I can find that demo's them . Also, really you'd need the two18's to get a decent freq response from them, which ain't cheap.
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Post by nomatic on Feb 15, 2015 13:42:06 GMT -6
The weird thing is the low end on the one18s extended quite a bit lower than stated. I moved back a little in the room and could hear in the 30s
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 14:35:44 GMT -6
The weird thing is the low end on the one18s extended quite a bit lower than stated. I moved back a little in the room and could hear in the 30s I'll see if I can find somewhere to try them, they'd have to be something mighty impressive to stand toe to toe with the D5's.! I'm going to be brutally honest as this is the sort of site I can be without everyone freaking out. No Dynaudio's, Sonodynes, Focals, Genelec's, Adams or Events would make me get rid of these. Complement them maybe, replace them never!!..
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2015 14:44:38 GMT -6
The proof is in the pudding and a very inexperienced engineer did his first mixes in a new room with these speakers and kncked it out of the park. I don't care how the Amphions suck they translate and its quick to hear what to do and fun to listen to... They destroy my old Barefoots..... I have to admit I'm very interested, but there's literally nowhere I can find that demo's them . Also, really you'd need the two18's to get a decent freq response from them, which ain't cheap. I posted Anssi's email if you contact him you can have some in your house
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 17:09:10 GMT -6
I have to admit I'm very interested, but there's literally nowhere I can find that demo's them . Also, really you'd need the two18's to get a decent freq response from them, which ain't cheap. I posted Anssi's email if you contact him you can have some in your house Thanks Kcat! I've brought some Presonus Sceptre's home as well, so I could listen to them in a properly treated room. I have to agree with Martin John Butler, they have a low mid bump around 200hz then they have a lack of mids further up?! I've been messing around with the controls on the back, but at the moment whilst they are good they really aren't on par with the Equators. I'll let you know if I get some Amphion's to try out ..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 15, 2015 17:53:28 GMT -6
I'm definitely going to try for the Avantone's, even though I could get a sorely needed used Mac Mini with the price difference between them and the Focal Alpha 8's.
I took Tony's first post to heart, as something resonated in me when he said "MJB, to me the monitors are EVERYTHING, you should get as good as you can afford and then some, they will make mixing way easier, and everything you have work and sound better, you can figure out a cheaper set of monitors, I have mackie hr824s here and i know them extremely well, but they are no joy to listen to, i have a pair of diy ProAc 100 knock offs under construction, if for some reason they don't impress me immediately, i will move on to something else, I want no compromise accuracy and listening enjoyment as well. Ultimately, if they end up being the single most expensive purchase i make? then so be it", especially the "no joy to listen to" part.
I'm willing to reach above class and budget because that's exactly why I just sold the 7AX's, no joy there, just hard work. I realize that I'll have to learn the Abbey's too, but my start point is I can easily hear everything in my mix that I couldn't hear before. I've honestly struggled and suffered trying to get my tracks to where I could live with them. I can't wait to see how that goes when I get the Avantone's. Now, just a couple hundred dollars more and I'm there. I just sold my Blackstar amp because a friend is loaning me his Fender Blues Jr. and I wanted a Fender for the style I work in anyway.
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