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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 15, 2015 17:34:16 GMT -6
www.izcorp.com/ runs protools native an Harrison mix bus pre loaded price 4995.oo wow limited time price Got my attention lol
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Post by wiz on Jan 15, 2015 18:27:57 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 15, 2015 18:35:20 GMT -6
Interesting, but it's a limited I/o for the money and when they say run PT Natively they mean software so no low latency and 32 I/o max.
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Post by winetree on Jan 15, 2015 19:07:25 GMT -6
I see this and go, oh crap maybe I should have waited. I just bought a Radar V Nyquist, 2 bays, dvd burner, 24 channels of 24/96 nyquist converters, sync card, 48 channel meter bridge, session controller with extended cable, for the analog room. Then I start to add up what all this would cost buying the above unit with the same options (16K), and it would be 5X more than what I paid. Oh well, I'll just have to pull the removable hard drive and walk down the hallway to the protools room.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 15, 2015 19:16:33 GMT -6
I so wanted to like this guess I should have read all of the link .lol Really thinking bout buying a used older one just for the converters then dumping into protools for editing seems it would be about same price as new converters
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Post by winetree on Jan 15, 2015 19:25:16 GMT -6
I so wanted to like this guess I should have read all of the link .lol Really thinking bout buying a used older one just for the converters then dumping into protools for editing seems it would be about same price as new converters That was my thoughts. Being an old analog guy, still having the 24tk Otari Mtr90 II and Harrison console in that room, I figured by the time I buy a computer and 24/96 converters and be tied to a mouse, the Radar was my best bet. I'd been looking used for a long time and this was the first chance I found a 24/96 "V" for sale.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 15, 2015 20:37:59 GMT -6
I don't know looks pretty good to me. You can add UAD cards and they are bundling it with PT 11 HD. What happens when you put a HD card in it?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 15, 2015 21:06:07 GMT -6
this is a cool rig, i'm happy with the decision i made though. Honestly, I think the reason everyone loves the Radar so much, is for a different reason than you might think, there is no doubt it's great, but the fact that it serves as a basic tape machine, takes out all of the need to dither, and all the processing errors, truncation, and digititus that happens ITB, so as good as it is, it'll be better than a counterpart equal to it's actual conversion performance, and for that reason alone.
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Post by keymod on Jan 15, 2015 21:20:30 GMT -6
I had asked IZ years ago, on their feature request page and in their forum, to let us run UAD cards on board. This looks like a dream come true. If the regular RADAR recording software can access the dsp cards I wouldn't even need the Pro Tools or any other DAW. I have loved my RADAR 24 for years and don't ever want to be without an IZ machine.
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Post by keymod on Jan 15, 2015 21:22:10 GMT -6
Tony, what did you do?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 15, 2015 22:35:33 GMT -6
Ross Martin(signed delivery agreement by april 1st 2015 8) 16 channels ADC pcm4222 with ADA4898 op amps, and 32 Channels of DAC PCM1794A with ADA4898 op amps, all Dsub25 connectors to be run off of 2 Lynx AES16 cards, PT10/11 NO HD! and the ability to use any platform I choose, not Avid...yaay! lol All the op amps are socketed for quick experimenting, replacement or future upgrades. It's 4 single rack space units. I'm quite excited as i see the potential to have this place functioning pretty well by summer 8) Jim Williams is going to do some no holds barred supercharging of 4-8 of my delta 8 channel strips that will serve the most fidelity important channels, all the ones he already did(which sound sick!) from my original delta 200 are plugnplay into the new console. I'm finally seeing a little light at the end of this tunnel, i just wish my $ making work would pick up some so i could get there faster and more comfortably.
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Post by keymod on Jan 16, 2015 5:33:41 GMT -6
I don't know looks pretty good to me. You can add UAD cards and they are bundling it with PT 11 HD. What happens when you put a HD card in it? Any idea if the RADAR software can access the DSP cards, or is it just the embedded Pro Tools/Mixbuss software? I wonder if you can install any other DAW? Actually, if Mixbuss ran flawlessly in this machine, that would be a big plus. I wish I could go to NAMM just to see this. I'm pretty sure costs can be minimized by utilizing my existing analog and digital I/O boards, as well as my remote and meter bridge. Must keep GAS in check..............
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Post by mulmany on Jan 16, 2015 7:23:22 GMT -6
I don't know looks pretty good to me. You can add UAD cards and they are bundling it with PT 11 HD. What happens when you put a HD card in it? Any idea if the RADAR software can access the DSP cards, or is it just the embedded Pro Tools/Mixbuss software? I wonder if you can install any other DAW? Actually, if Mixbuss ran flawlessly in this machine, that would be a big plus. I wish I could go to NAMM just to see this. I'm pretty sure costs can be minimized by utilizing my existing analog and digital I/O boards, as well as my remote and meter bridge. Must keep GAS in check.............. No clue....
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Post by winetree on Jan 16, 2015 13:47:48 GMT -6
"I'm pretty sure costs can be minimized by utilizing my existing analog and digital I/O boards, as well as my remote and meter bridge. Must keep GAS in check.........….."
I'm going to ask the same thing at NAMM. I'll post the answer.
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Post by svart on Jan 16, 2015 14:10:02 GMT -6
Wow. 10K$ just to get 24 analog I/0..
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Post by keymod on Jan 17, 2015 5:42:59 GMT -6
If you think of an IZ RADAR as "the Studer 827 of the digital world" ,then it's cost is appropriate. The Studer went for what, $65k back in the day? What would that be in today's dollars? Some screen shots of this new machine are dated from 2012. That tells me they've been perfecting this for some time now. I'm willing to bet it's worth every penny.
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Post by Calvin on Jan 19, 2015 6:35:11 GMT -6
I had asked IZ years ago, on their feature request page and in their forum, to let us run UAD cards on board. This looks like a dream come true. If the regular RADAR recording software can access the dsp cards I wouldn't even need the Pro Tools or any other DAW. I have loved my RADAR 24 for years and don't ever want to be without an IZ machine. The "radar mode" side of the Radar studio can NOT access UAD cards. On the "radar mode" side of things, the machine will work just as it always has. The new stuff is on the "workstation" side of things. You can run any Windows-compatible DAW and/or hardware. iZ developed an ASIO driver so that those DAWs can directly access the Radar converters. Other than that, though, the "workstation" side of the Radar studio functions just like any other Window DAW workstation. I LOVE what iZ is doing here, and I can easily see me going down this path. I love my Radar 24, and would just love to be able to run my DAW on that machine. Can't do it with my 24, but with this new Studio machine, it's all possible. Is it expensive? Yes, yes it is. It won't make sense for a lot of people. However, for those of us that love iZ's dedication to no-compromise audio quality, reliability, and customer support, the money spent is well worth it. Radar studio is not just a suped-up PC with custom software. There are no PCs anywhere on the planet with the dedicated digital audio architecture found in a Radar machine. Nor are there any PCs anywhere on the planet with the super-low jitter clocking and rock-solid, completely over-engineered power supply that not only provides the 3, 5, and 12 volts needed to run a PC, but that also provides heavily regulated and pristine +-18V for the analog side of things. Oh yeah, all solid-state drives, as well. And, fully upgradable down the line. As more powerful processors become available, we'll be able to swap out processors and/or motherboards as desired. There is nothing about this machine that will be obsolete in the next 20 years or more. Anyway, I'm clearly a fan of iZ, and I'm excited that they've come up with what I think will be a very successful product for them. It's not a product aimed at the masses, but there will be many pros and serious hobbyists that have grown attached to our older Radar systems that will be excited to let Radar handle DAW chores. There is quite a bit else related to this new product that I haven't touched on here, like how the great Radar session controller fits in to the DAW world. They also have a touch-screen based virtual session controller that looks like it might be a powerful work-flow enhancer. It all looks pretty exciting to me. Might have to start saving some more pennies, but next time I need to purchase a workstation, I'll likely be buying a Radar Studio. I can use my current converters from my Radar 24 in the Radar Studio, so that will save a bunch of money. I can also use my current session controller, although I'd have to replace the key caps to match the new version of the controller. Too much fun to think about.
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Post by joey808 on Jan 19, 2015 10:13:48 GMT -6
Wow. 10K$ just to get 24 analog I/0.. By The time you add all the goodies you prob will be in that 10 to 12k range.
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Post by winetree on Jan 23, 2015 0:52:14 GMT -6
Talked to Barry about the Radar V Nyquist I bought. First thing he asked me was did I want to upgrade to the Radar studio. I could use all my stuff and just buy the main unit for $4,000. First day and he had already lost his voice. He said call him next week.
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Post by Calvin on Jan 23, 2015 4:59:40 GMT -6
Talked to Barry about the Radar V Nyquist I bought. First thing he asked me was did I want to upgrade to the Radar studio. I could use all my stuff and just buy the main unit for $4,000. First day and he had already lost his voice. He said call him next week. I'm in just about the same boat. So tempting at just $4,000. Only real difference for me is that I still have Classic converters. They still sound great, though. So, $4,000. I mean, that's a lot of dough, no doubt, but that's a machine that you will use for a very, very long time. As long as iZ stays in business, a Radar Studio is going to be a great machine, no matter what the future holds.
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Post by keymod on Jan 23, 2015 5:51:23 GMT -6
My 24 is still motoring along nicely. It is very tempting. An IZ machine would definitely be my desert island recording/mixing device.
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Post by winetree on Jan 23, 2015 15:20:24 GMT -6
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Post by Calvin on Jan 23, 2015 16:46:33 GMT -6
That would be a good deal even if you're only interested in the converters (such as, to reduce the costs of a Radar Studio). I don't think this particular Radar24 has any digital I/O, so it's a bit limiting unless you're just going to use it as a digital 2" machine. Adding digital I/O (like 24 channels of ADAT) would run another $900 or so. Still, for about $2000 you'd have a pretty sweet front end for a workstation. There are some realities of older Radar machines that make them a bit less convenient for use as front-ends of DAWs, but I'm loving using my Radar 24 as a front-end. The only real limitation is hit up against sometimes is the fact that individual channels can operate as inputs or outputs, but not both. So, you can set aside 12 tracks for inputs, and 12 tracks for outputs, for example, in a situation where you want to add some hardware inserts. Or, you can set aside just 2 tracks as inputs and use the other 22 as outputs in a mix situation where you're using a summing device of some sort. 22 tracks to the summing device, with the output of the summing device (or final device in the 2-bus chain) coming back into the DAW via the 2 inputs. Oh yeah, just noticed that this particular Radar 24 classic doesn't have a session controller, which is something to note. To me, the session controller is pretty key, and it would be an expensive upgrade to add later. The lack of digital I/O and lack of session controller explain the low price for this particular Radar unit.
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2015 21:29:52 GMT -6
Man you guys have me looking at used Radars!
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Post by jimwilliams on Jan 26, 2015 10:43:58 GMT -6
I saw the new Tascam 48 channel machine at NAMM. Base price is about $3200, add $1400 for 48 channels of AD-DA. It's ability to use about any sample rate and interface with all the broadcast standards makes it compatible with a lot of setups. It also has all the DAW crap inside if you need that stuff.
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