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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2015 9:08:59 GMT -6
Any idea how the One18 compares with the Argon 3? ...specs are quite close with the Argon having better freq. response and sensitivity. After doing a bit of digging on the web, it looks like the studio line features passive radiator designs while the Argon series are rear ported. I still wonder how these sound different from each other. They seem to be priced pretty closely (as far as I can tell), but it seems like you might be able to score a used set of the Argon's for a reasonable price while the studio series don't seem to be available.
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Post by swurveman on Jan 15, 2015 10:35:03 GMT -6
These high end speaker threads at the purple site all are the same to me: "I've been listening in my room with NS10's and (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) for years and never really felt like I was hearing accurately. Now that I've got (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) I can hear things I never heard before and my mixes translate beautifully."
Every year there's a new "best speaker". And what was so perfect 5 years ago no longer gets made by the manufacturer 5 years later.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2015 15:32:59 GMT -6
I like everything I read about this new line but the speakers and amp would end being like 5 grand ,, oh will they be 200-250% better than my adams ? I don't think but of course I am still very interested in hearing them but that is not going to happen anytime soon if I have to put 5-6 grand down on my credit card. in a good way, I think they are hitting out of my league
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2015 15:50:06 GMT -6
I like everything I read about this new line but the speakers and amp would end being like 5 grand ,, oh will they be 200-250% better than my adams ? I don't think but of course I am still very interested in hearing them but that is not going to happen anytime soon if I have to put 5-6 grand down on my credit card. in a good way, I think they are hitting out of my league You don't need their amp to power them. I'm sure that they would sound quite good with a lesser amp too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2015 16:36:11 GMT -6
Plan B
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Post by ericn on Jan 15, 2015 17:06:13 GMT -6
These high end speaker threads at the purple site all are the same to me: "I've been listening in my room with NS10's and (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) for years and never really felt like I was hearing accurately. Now that I've got (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) I can hear things I never heard before and my mixes translate beautifully." Every year there's a new "best speaker". And what was so perfect 5 years ago no longer gets made by the manufacturer 5 years later. Speakers are the easiest pro audio manufacturing market to get into. There are a ton of Drivers out there if you have enough money you can get them made to order and you can always find a cabinet shop.
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 15, 2015 17:28:01 GMT -6
These high end speaker threads at the purple site all are the same to me: "I've been listening in my room with NS10's and (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) for years and never really felt like I was hearing accurately. Now that I've got (insert $3,000.00+ speaker pair here) I can hear things I never heard before and my mixes translate beautifully." Every year there's a new "best speaker". And what was so perfect 5 years ago no longer gets made by the manufacturer 5 years later. Speakers are the easiest pro audio manufacturing market to get into. There are a ton of Drivers out there if you have enough money you can get them made to order and you can always find a cabinet shop. They also don't have a quantifiable number like say converter spec's. Each year a new must have monitor appears. Last year it was the kh 120's. Some really good stuff has been produced on quite "low end" speakers... Would love to see some blind test's with a range of low end thru to high end monitor's. Hard to arrange but.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2015 17:42:29 GMT -6
Speakers are the easiest pro audio manufacturing market to get into. There are a ton of Drivers out there if you have enough money you can get them made to order and you can always find a cabinet shop. They also don't have a quantifiable number like say converter spec's. Each year a new must have monitor appears. Last year it was the kh 120's. Some really good stuff has been produced on quite "low end" speakers... Would love to see some blind test's with a range of low end thru to high end monitor's. Hard to arrange but. Just gotta find some blind engineers. Haha. What other speakers have been flavor of the month? Adam A7/A7X? I imagine that there are some deals to be had on stuff that has gone out of style.
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Post by unit7 on Jan 16, 2015 11:49:02 GMT -6
Have been emailing with Anssi a bit, invited him here and he registered but then told me: I personally feel that discussion forums should not be sales sites, but places where colleagues can share their opinions. I may at times contact you or some of the other members outside the forum to sort out misunderstandings or to provide factually correct information, but I have made decision to stay out of forums as I feel that they should be reserved for people who have no commercial interest in the stuff. I maybe alone with my thoughts and even wrong, but this is what I feel is a correct and ethical thing to do to keep the forums as “pure” and close to the original intent as possible. This is not to say that our representative(s) will not take place in the discussions, but I will leave that entirely up to them to decide what is best.
Have to respect that. Really cool guy! And I'm curious about those One18s. Unfortunately Anssi couldn't make it to Stockholm this month (wonder why?! ) but we'll work it out eventually.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 16, 2015 11:52:57 GMT -6
Have been emailing with Anssi a bit, invited him here and he registered but then told me: I personally feel that discussion forums should not be sales sites, but places where colleagues can share their opinions. I may at times contact you or some of the other members outside the forum to sort out misunderstandings or to provide factually correct information, but I have made decision to stay out of forums as I feel that they should be reserved for people who have no commercial interest in the stuff. I maybe alone with my thoughts and even wrong, but this is what I feel is a correct and ethical thing to do to keep the forums as “pure” and close to the original intent as possible. This is not to say that our representative(s) will not take place in the discussions, but I will leave that entirely up to them to decide what is best.
Have to respect that. Really cool guy! And I'm curious about those One18s. Unfortunately Anssi couldn't make it to Stockholm this month (wonder why?! ) but we'll work it out eventually. ....boooooo! I was hoping to hear his comments on how the One18 and Argon 3 differ sonically.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2015 11:56:38 GMT -6
Have been emailing with Anssi a bit, invited him here and he registered but then told me: I personally feel that discussion forums should not be sales sites, but places where colleagues can share their opinions. I may at times contact you or some of the other members outside the forum to sort out misunderstandings or to provide factually correct information, but I have made decision to stay out of forums as I feel that they should be reserved for people who have no commercial interest in the stuff. I maybe alone with my thoughts and even wrong, but this is what I feel is a correct and ethical thing to do to keep the forums as “pure” and close to the original intent as possible. This is not to say that our representative(s) will not take place in the discussions, but I will leave that entirely up to them to decide what is best.
Have to respect that. Really cool guy! And I'm curious about those One18s. Unfortunately Anssi couldn't make it to Stockholm this month (wonder why?! ) but we'll work it out eventually. Well, I somewhat disagree with him. His participation is EXACTLY why this board was formed. So there would be no misinformation or hyberbole about the product. His presence here isn't marketing - he's welcome to do that if he wants to buy an ad - it's helpfulness and communicating with his customer base. I'm not admonishing him, I'm just trying to explain my rationale. If it's not him, that's fine, but some representative to answer questions could be very beneficial to both he and his customer base. Please pass along to him if you want, Paul.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2015 12:01:55 GMT -6
Just thought I would say this again...When a company buys adspace here, they aren't buying "influence." So, there could be good or bad discussion about a product that has an ad - I'm not going to censor that. I think that's EXTREMELY useful to companies - they aren't getting white-washed feedback from a censored community. With a presence on this board - or other boards like it - the company can solve issues and nip misperceptions in the bud. Just my opinion on the matter.
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Post by unit7 on Jan 16, 2015 12:22:20 GMT -6
Have been emailing with Anssi a bit, invited him here and he registered but then told me: I personally feel that discussion forums should not be sales sites, but places where colleagues can share their opinions. I may at times contact you or some of the other members outside the forum to sort out misunderstandings or to provide factually correct information, but I have made decision to stay out of forums as I feel that they should be reserved for people who have no commercial interest in the stuff. I maybe alone with my thoughts and even wrong, but this is what I feel is a correct and ethical thing to do to keep the forums as “pure” and close to the original intent as possible. This is not to say that our representative(s) will not take place in the discussions, but I will leave that entirely up to them to decide what is best.
Have to respect that. Really cool guy! And I'm curious about those One18s. Unfortunately Anssi couldn't make it to Stockholm this month (wonder why?! ) but we'll work it out eventually. Well, I somewhat disagree with him. His participation is EXACTLY why this board was formed. So there would be no misinformation or hyberbole about the product. His presence here isn't marketing - he's welcome to do that if he wants to buy an ad - it's helpfulness and communicating with his customer base. I'm not admonishing him, I'm just trying to explain my rationale. If it's not him, that's fine, but some representative to answer questions could be very beneficial to both he and his customer base. Please pass along to him if you want, Paul. Johnkenn I made it very clear to Anssi on more than one occasion that he'd be more than welcome and that all manufacturers are. I'd really like to have him here too. At the same time I can see how he prefer to keep things clean and uncomplicated. Since he's very fast on replying emails I guess he just prefer that. I think their return policy reflects the straightforwardness too. Buy it, and if you don't like it just send it back within 30 days. Clean and simple. The finnish way
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2015 13:04:44 GMT -6
Oh it's totally fine - I just think it's a great opportunity for a manufacturer.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 16, 2015 13:40:57 GMT -6
....boooooo! I was hoping to hear his comments on how the One18 and Argon 3 differ sonically. Email him. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions.
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Post by ericn on Jan 16, 2015 15:15:29 GMT -6
I get it from his perspective , yet I am disappointed. There have been so many manufacturers who have used other forums as there marketing dept.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2015 18:31:53 GMT -6
I understand his perspective but sensitivities would be based on what and how you say what you communicate. I support manufacturer's participating if they exercise discretion and stay factual.
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Post by Warhead on Jan 17, 2015 10:39:00 GMT -6
Hi there, wanted to let you know I will have more perspective on this line soon. We added it to our brands at ZenPro, and I placed an enormous order with them today for every single model they offer for studio use, as well as their amps. I promise to report back my findings, we are very excited to be the first USA stocking dealer for Amphion. War I can all but guarantee that your findings will be hugely positive seeing that you've placed an enormous order and are the only USA stocking dealer. I'm not saying they're bad, but I imagine that we'll hear nothing but positive. As a dealer the only reason I place big orders is to meet demand, I already had paid orders and more inquiries coming on the line so it made sense to bring it all in. Describing what we hear and explaining their place in the speaker universe is a different matter though, I've never been one to state that everything fits everybody and in fact speakers are the one thing a dealer should understand and be honest about since it's the hardest purchase for anyone to make. I want to understand their balance, texture and attributes. War
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2015 11:22:59 GMT -6
^^this^^ is exactly the kind of comment that I support, I know war is not a manufacturer per se and is in the retail biz , but he always shares the benefit of his perspective and never ho's s product just tells us what his own view and or experience is and why adn of course, no offense , you can ignore everything he says ( ! ) and just listen to the clipinator and make up your own mind. finally I know War has gone back and checked the unity gain and levels on clips posted on the clipponater when people have asked. I can't ask for more ! So off my war soap box but my point is I feel he and people like Bryce from warm audio just walk their talk in the right way and I got lots of time for that kind of thread intereraction.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2015 21:31:29 GMT -6
I just realized that I don't think I've ever addressed my thoughts on the One 18's that I have. In short, they're fantastic. I run them with a Lexicon NT212 (rebadged Bryston 3BST) and I find them to be really, really accurate on top and natural on the bottom. I used a sub just because I've always mixed with a sub, so most of my time logged with them are with a sub. But to me, the most important part of the equation is how they deal with the mids. They're very natural there - not mid forward like Twins or NS10's of course...but seem to be you get what you hear. Another thing I really was struck by - and I think this is something a lot of people bring up - is the soundstage. It just sounds wider to my ears. In comparison to the ProAc Studio 100's that I used for years - cleaner top, bigger bottom and less edgy mids. And that's saying a lot, because the ProAcs are awesome monitors.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 6, 2015 21:46:19 GMT -6
Not trying to rain on the parade, but I listened to all the Amphions at AES this year, and it was very interesting.
I was there very early, so there wan't much going on around me, and I had a good chance to listen without the usual massive amount of noise and confusion nearby. I got all the hype, they had many of the qualities that been described here, but for me, I cringed when I heard them, and here's why; they reminded me of NS-10's.
It was a gut reaction thing, not a thinking process thing at all. I worked with NS-10's every day for a more than a decade, and found not one minute of listening to them pleasurable. Much time has passed since then, but when I heard the Amphions, my body just went arrgghhh... .
This is just me. I'm sure this will work quite well for many folks here. But I believe you can have a great monitor and still have a very enjoyable speaker to listen to music on. The Ocean Way monitor demonstrated by Allen Sides sounded great as monitors, and were clearly still quite pleasant to listen to music on.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 6, 2015 23:04:48 GMT -6
I can't speak to your experience at a trade show, but that's not anywhere close to mine after half a year with them.
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Post by M57 on Dec 7, 2015 5:33:50 GMT -6
Not trying to rain on the parade, but I listened to all the Amphions at AES this year, and it was very interesting. I was there very early, so there wan't much going on around me, and I had a good chance to listen without the usual massive amount of noise and confusion nearby. I got all the hype, they had many of the qualities that been described here, but for me, I cringed when I heard them, and here's why; they reminded me of NS-10's. It was a gut reaction thing, not a thinking process thing at all. I worked with NS-10's every day for a more than a decade, and found not one minute of listening to them pleasurable. Much time has passed since then, but when I heard the Amphions, my body just went arrgghhh... . This is just me. I'm sure this will work quite well for many folks here. But I believe you can have a great monitor and still have a very enjoyable speaker to listen to music on. The Ocean Way monitor demonstrated by Allen Sides sounded great as monitors, and were clearly still quite pleasant to listen to music on. I just sold my NS-10s. My mixes may not be as good now, but I'm pretty sure my blood pressure went down about a dozen bpm.
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Post by svart on Dec 7, 2015 8:24:59 GMT -6
I can say, that after auditioning John's Amphions, designing my own metal coned speakers and using NS-10s fairly regularly, that they don't sound anything alike to me.
The midrange is obviously clear and uncluttered in the amphions, as is the case with the NS-10's, and that's about the extent of the likeness IMHO. The only other similarity is the lack of low end, but where the amphion is flat and neutral but drops off earlier than expected although the cone is relatively small for the woofer, the NS-10 is tubby and drops off relatively early for the size of the cone.
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Post by svart on Dec 7, 2015 8:27:32 GMT -6
I really want to get with Johnkenn and compare this new revision of my metal-coned-monitors (MCM?) against his Amphions once again. It was pretty eye opening to hear them in person and to compare them.
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