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Post by ragan on Jul 28, 2016 1:13:49 GMT -6
Cool. It definitely sounds cleaner, for better or worse. Anyone know if the UAD's recent version upsamples? I thought all UAD MKII stuff did? Not 100% sure. When I tested the Warm vs the UAD, I just could not replicate the spatial, 3D thing the Warms were doing with the plugin. Sounds cliche but it was clearly true. I guess it's worth noting that there's usually some truth behind cliches. I've yet to do a hardware/software AB comparison where the software emulation wins. Or ties. I like the Apollo a lot (had a SF, now have a BF) but I wish I could sell about half my UAD licenses. I've spent a fortune with them and id rather have bought mics or hardware.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 28, 2016 6:48:32 GMT -6
Cool. It definitely sounds cleaner, for better or worse. Anyone know if the UAD's recent version upsamples? Yes, believe it does
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2016 8:04:36 GMT -6
Ragan said, "I like the Apollo a lot (had a SF, now have a BF) but I wish I could sell about half my UAD licenses. I've spent a fortune with them and id rather have bought mics or hardware".
I'm feeling that Ragan. There are plugs I never touch, and if I was ab;e to sell them for 50% of their cost to me, I'd have the extra cash I need for other things. I'm much more careful now regarding any new plugins.
*Kcat said the video froze when he tried it. Anyone else run into that? I'm trying to figure out why most can play it, but on my computer it freezes, and on Kcat's too.
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2016 8:38:10 GMT -6
No freezes here. OSX.8 w/Chrome.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2016 8:42:51 GMT -6
Dang, I have Yosemite 10.10. Thanks for letting me know Popmann.
I'm thinking of changing from Yosemite to El Capitan. Before I do, I need to know if people have had any issues using Logic and UAD, Waves and other brand's plug-ins.
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2016 10:36:28 GMT -6
You mean El Capitain? 10.11. I don't know why they insist on stupid names. Just causes confusion.
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2016 11:29:12 GMT -6
I've also never had ANY YouTube video freeze. I thought that was odd when I read that....it must be heat related-Mac shutting something down because it can't keep it cool. YouTube is the only thing that will turn my Air's fan on--including mixing 24/88 audio, which doesn't....watch a YouTube video and it spins up!!
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 28, 2016 11:39:27 GMT -6
Youtube started doing a new compression/decompression to keep the size smaller for the transfer. it probably utilizes some html 5 computer processing to keep that buffer moving along at a respectable clip.
It reminds me of trying to play an mp3 on my 486 dx4 100 mhz, and it couldn't even play but half a second at a time. Pentium 100mhz though could play any mp3 I opened through winamp!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2016 11:55:03 GMT -6
I deleted and uploaded the video, but it still keeps freezing. Three pros at Apple couldn't figure out why my video was freezing for some people. I uploaded a new file, but it seems to only play when I change settings to 480p, the video was done at 720, so it shouldn't be an issue..
What a pain..
Guys, do me a favor, take a few seconds and see if the new version of the video still plays properly, thanks.
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Post by popmann on Jul 28, 2016 16:55:11 GMT -6
Still plays fine here. I just skipped around through it, but....I guess really you need the guys who it DIDN'T play well for to try it now, huh?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 28, 2016 17:03:57 GMT -6
where's the link ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2016 21:50:56 GMT -6
Here ya go, thanks guys. It's frustrating, mainly because no one knows why the freezes are happening for some people. I appreciate you all taking a second look so I can see if it's working properly this time.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2016 21:53:20 GMT -6
Damn, when I click on the link here it plays for a couple of seconds and stops, arrgghh...
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Post by stratboy on Jul 28, 2016 22:07:23 GMT -6
It works on my iPad, Martin!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 7:06:29 GMT -6
Hmm,, when I change settings from 720P to 480, it plays..
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 29, 2016 7:14:41 GMT -6
...it's stopping because you guys probably have slow internet. Hit play, pause it, give it 10 seconds to load up, then play again. Playing fine here.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 29, 2016 7:23:21 GMT -6
Well, I guess I need to hang it up. If I've ever given you advice, disregard it. I think the UAD sounds worlds better on the acoustic than the hardware. I was expecting to be on the prowl for a pair of these eq's asap, but that didn't get me fired up at all.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 7:33:58 GMT -6
Jesse, I may not have been using it in exactly the best way for the demonstration. On acoustic, there was a setting on the Warm Audio EQP that sounded better, but there was no equivalent setting on the UAD, so I changed the Warm Audio setting to match the UAD for the sake of the video.
Perhaps I should have set both to their best sounding settings, but I was trying to give people an honest comparison.
I felt that the mix with the Warm was much better. The cumulative effect is an important aspect of this. I had no stakes in the game, I just wanted to compare. Even if I found I prefer one particular instrument with the plug-in, I wouldn't want to be without the hardware for many other instruments.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 29, 2016 15:03:28 GMT -6
Very nice video comparison! I like both, and feel the HW serves it purpose in some areas better like the texture of the bass and how it rounded it out and added a little dash of sprinkles on top. The UAD plug sounds good on vox and gtr. The vox are pretty close, I had to key in on certain phrases/ syllables to notice the added texture from the HW. The HW sprinkles a light topping of fairy dust on top of the vox and adds emphasis, while also smoothing certain phrases, very cool. The plugin is more of a velvet coating, adding a nice layer on top of the vox, it doesn't add as much emphasis/ fairy dust, however it does exhibit the smoothing aspect.
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Post by wiz on Jul 29, 2016 15:07:26 GMT -6
pauses here as well... on the page on RGO and on you tube..
can watch other you tube videos at 1080p
cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Jul 29, 2016 16:19:54 GMT -6
Yeah it's hanging up for me too.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 16:24:13 GMT -6
Damn this is frustrating. I know if you go to "settings", then switch to 480p it plays, but there should be no issues, and now it's bugging me. Thanks guys.
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Post by reddirt on Jul 29, 2016 18:01:30 GMT -6
Hey Martin, thanks for that - great effort. No freezing at all here on a 2008 i-Mac with an ancient version of Safari that won't load some modern sites. Hard to really tell about the relative merits of each in a vid, however i did feel a certain warmth from the WA; I reckon to use it would be where it's at i.e. the tactile, intuitive nature of knobs is not something you appreciate until they're actually in your fingers. I imagine sending a vocal out of the DAW into the WA and returning it would give that digiital thing a bit of what makes music enjoyable?. Is that your experience? Am thinking about getting their LA 2A and Pultec copy together for vocals particularly; anyone want to comment on how that would roll . (I'm using a BAE pre with Prism Titan conversion) As an aside, you remind me of me in music, looks and age ......poor fella - spooky! Cheers, Ross
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2016 18:13:19 GMT -6
reddit said, "I imagine sending a vocal out of the DAW into the WA and returning it would give that digiital thing a bit of what makes music enjoyable?. Is that your experience"?
In a way, yes, but I prefer to print with the EQP though. There's something different about pre than post EQ. Of course, with two EQP-WA's, you'd use it on the stereo mix, but that's a different thing.
I believe there's more to the differences between analogue and digital than we completely understand yet. Around three years ago, a friend bought me a turntable, now, unless I have to, I never listen to a CD anymore, only vinyl. The connection you feel to the artist is palpable.
When recording using a hybrid approach, I like printing through hardware, even though I use plenty of plug-ins. The tracks have turned out more listenable every time without exception. When I first started, I did plenty of things completely ITB, and they just didn't hold up, I felt like an invisible force was aggravating me.
Hybrid works just fine for me in general. I've found plug-ins to be a great asset, they just need to be used for the right things in the right way.
*I forgot to say I'm hoping to try the WA-2A soon. I think a vocal through the WA-2A to the EQP-1A would be a great combination, and a much easier track to sit in a mix. I have the WA-76, but I don't love that kind of compression on vocals, on a bass it's great, and good on some styles of acoustic guitar too.
Kcat has both the EQP-WA and the WA-2A, maybe he can illuminate us a bit on how that's working.
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Post by popmann on Jul 29, 2016 18:52:07 GMT -6
Yes....there's a difference in EQ prior to hitting converters. After it's converted, I couldn't care less. I have analog EQ and don't patch it in....nearly ever. BUT....it's ability to transform and analog signal prior to capture makes it "part of the sound" in a way that you can't get later, IME.
That's actually why I was looking at this--if I could "air up" the sm7....or beef up the Gefell with a Pultec sounding EQ on the way in it would make them both nicer....and me even LESS dependent on mix tools....
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