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Post by ericn on May 26, 2015 10:23:42 GMT -6
If I remember correctly the freq are based on ISO standards and back in the day the big market was broadcast where they like their standards.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2015 10:44:00 GMT -6
and one of the reasons Bryce kept the stock points and introduced the new freq points which combined with the pultec trick of boost/cut and adjusting the q, provides a certain flexibility to tailor the sound:
Boost and Cut controls can be used simultaneously for phase effect
Low frequency boost - 20, 30, 60, 100, 200, 400, 800 Hz - 12 db
Low frequency cut - 20, 30, 60, 100, 200, 400, 800 Hz - 18 db
High frequency boost - 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, 12, 16 kHz - 18 db
High frequency cut - 3, 4, 5, 10, 20 kHz - 14 db
5 added frequency points for greater flexibility
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Post by tonycamphd on May 26, 2015 10:58:07 GMT -6
someone should get a warm eqp in the hands of dandeurloo and let him compare it to his no holds barred built drip pultec, if dan gives it the = to sign, then it's a no brainer, honestly i have my doubts, i'd love to be convinced otherwise, the warm price is too good to be true, i can't diy a real pultec clone for that price.
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Post by ragan on May 26, 2015 10:59:27 GMT -6
Those extra EQ points are part of what pushed me over the top. Kind of like having an MEQ-5 in there. Should be way more versatile.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2015 11:04:28 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2015 11:06:29 GMT -6
Those extra EQ points are part of what pushed me over the top. Kind of like having an MEQ-5 in there. Should be way more versatile. did that boost your enthusiasm about 18 db and cut your negativity about 18 db too ?
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Post by jdc on May 26, 2015 11:41:12 GMT -6
we need a warning system in place. i can't keep coming here and reading about all of this great, reasonably priced gear and still expect to pay my bills! a man only has so much money!
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Post by EmRR on May 26, 2015 19:07:46 GMT -6
I wonder if anyone can fill me in on why the choices are 30, 60 and 100? I personally find that 50hz is where I need to go to get some low end thump out of the kick. Is there a build reason why Pultec chose 60hz? Or was it just an arbitrary choice that everyone seems content to recreate? Look at the curve shapes on the Manley site. The #s are meaningless compared to anything you probably imagine. 50 versus 60 is pretty silly and tiny tiny tiny in difference with these. You probably won't even be able to figure out why it's called any particular frequency. These are not precision instruments.
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Post by EmRR on May 26, 2015 19:26:57 GMT -6
Those extra EQ points are part of what pushed me over the top. Kind of like having an MEQ-5 in there. Should be way more versatile. Aahh.....nothing like having an MEQ-5 in there. Totally different beast, narrow ringy filters, EQP/PEQ/Whatever are very broad compared to MEQ's. Again, look at the curves on the Manley site, they are accurate to the vintage as well. The extra frequencies are really just a party trick IMO. Easy to implement and add to sales copy, serve almost more to confuse than to give option. No one with a real Pultec is saying, "geez, I wish it had more freq like the clones....."
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Post by wiz on May 26, 2015 19:47:33 GMT -6
It doesn't matter if it sounds exactly like anything... at the price point, it sounds FANTASTIC!
deal, done.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on May 26, 2015 20:05:19 GMT -6
appreciate your opinion wiz as you have one and have used it for a while : the is it just like a real pultec argument is irrelevant to me cus it isn't a real pultec:)
what it is is a very very similar circuit with very similar characteristics (arguably more versatile) , at an affordable price with warranty that adds a new tool to my sound tool kit: works for me out of the box: buildings fine if you have the time: but buy and use works too !
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Post by Guitar on May 26, 2015 20:11:19 GMT -6
color me interested
but I have to agree with John Kenn, in the box EQ is soooo easy! and wasn't that Massenberg or whomever's goal in the first place, transparent balance correction?? --> Pro Q2, etc.
I still do love pultec EQ in the box (UAD or Waves) so I am interested, for sure
WA-2A gets my vote for next WARMTH also
exciting times...except for the global WARMing
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Post by winetree on May 26, 2015 21:03:56 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 26, 2015 21:07:51 GMT -6
a WA-2A would be the deal monkeyxx.
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Post by ragan on May 26, 2015 21:14:09 GMT -6
Those extra EQ points are part of what pushed me over the top. Kind of like having an MEQ-5 in there. Should be way more versatile. Aahh.....nothing like having an MEQ-5 in there. Totally different beast, narrow ringy filters, EQP/PEQ/Whatever are very broad compared to MEQ's. Again, look at the curves on the Manley site, they are accurate to the vintage as well. The extra frequencies are really just a party trick IMO. Easy to implement and add to sales copy, serve almost more to confuse than to give option. No one with a real Pultec is saying, "geez, I wish it had more freq like the clones....." Heheh. I don't care what you think people who have Pultecs aren't saying about their frequency points. Sometimes I want to affect the middle of the frequency spectrum.
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Post by ragan on May 26, 2015 21:15:26 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision. You only get the 15% off a single item FYI.
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Post by ericn on May 26, 2015 21:53:17 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision. I would Call Alto, Calisro and my Sweetwater Rep and mention the MF price after coupon but that's just little old me and when I say call I so mean use a telephone and converse, you might do better!
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Post by lpedrum on May 26, 2015 22:57:27 GMT -6
I wonder if anyone can fill me in on why the choices are 30, 60 and 100? I personally find that 50hz is where I need to go to get some low end thump out of the kick. Is there a build reason why Pultec chose 60hz? Or was it just an arbitrary choice that everyone seems content to recreate? Look at the curve shapes on the Manley site. The #s are meaningless compared to anything you probably imagine. 50 versus 60 is pretty silly and tiny tiny tiny in difference with these. You probably won't even be able to figure out why it's called any particular frequency. These are not precision instruments. May be. My only experience is with the plug in variety. I'm a drummer and ITB there's a vast difference between boosting a bass drum at 50 vs 60. I was just curious how and why the original target hz #'s were chosen. Perhaps the curve is so large on the hardware models that it's irrelevant. Not so with Pultec plug ins or ITB eq.
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Post by porkyman on May 26, 2015 23:14:10 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision. theres an even cheaper option pcbgrinder.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=122"This is a components kit for a stereo, tube EQ with detented controls, which is based on Jakob Erland's (Gyraf Audio) Pultec clone" it's $680-$700 depending on the exchange rate.
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Post by winetree on May 26, 2015 23:21:37 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision. theres an even cheaper option pcbgrinder.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=122"This is a components kit for a stereo, tube EQ with detented controls, which is based on Jakob Erland's (Gyraf Audio) Pultec clone" it's $680-$700 depending on the exchange rate. By the time you buy the case, hardware, knobs, tubes. the above options are a better deal.
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Post by porkyman on May 26, 2015 23:45:46 GMT -6
theres an even cheaper option pcbgrinder.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=122"This is a components kit for a stereo, tube EQ with detented controls, which is based on Jakob Erland's (Gyraf Audio) Pultec clone" it's $680-$700 depending on the exchange rate. By the time you buy the case, hardware, knobs, tubes. the above options are a better deal. i think it would still be cheaper. depends i guess how crazy you wanna get cosmetically but the real benefit is that it fits in a single 2u case.
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Post by wiz on May 27, 2015 0:04:55 GMT -6
O.k. I did some number crunching. 2 Warm E. Q.s with the 15% Musicians Friend discount (it's been extended) and California tax, shipped is $1,283.00 2 A.M.L E.Q. kits shipped to California is $1,220.00 that's $63.00 less. I'd have to build them but that's no problem. I'd sure like to hear a comparision. aren't the AML pulteq kits like 815USD each, plus shipping? I just ran the conversion, 529GBP to USD gave me 815 USD... you might have used Euro's? cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on May 27, 2015 3:35:27 GMT -6
Look at the curve shapes on the Manley site. The #s are meaningless compared to anything you probably imagine. 50 versus 60 is pretty silly and tiny tiny tiny in difference with these. You probably won't even be able to figure out why it's called any particular frequency. These are not precision instruments. May be. My only experience is with the plug in variety. I'm a drummer and ITB there's a vast difference between boosting a bass drum at 50 vs 60. I was just curious how and why the original target hz #'s were chosen. Perhaps the curve is so large on the hardware models that it's irrelevant. Not so with Pultec plug ins or ITB eq. No offense but are you talking about specific freq points or the Q and/or both?
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Post by EmRR on May 27, 2015 5:16:40 GMT -6
Freq points then are not labeled like freq points now. There's really not a standard in the way that's done....and it's changed over time! You'd have to ask the old dead guys about how they were chosen. My guess is that it's more about what it does along the shape of the slope than the point of maximum boost in the lows, and remember these were designed for program use, selections based on program EQ versus the needs of single instruments. Not that they weren't used for single instruments, but it would have been the rarity in the mid 1950's, when AM was king and broadcast playback did well to manage 50-5K successfully. Old radio guys will tell you 'Top 40 doesn't sound right on FM'! Too much high freq extension!
What's the Q of a shelf? Off hand, I don't know, but that's virtually what it is.
Sounds like my other point was possibly lost: an MEQ is nothing like an EQP in shape. There is nothing interchangeable about them.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 27, 2015 6:02:06 GMT -6
I was asking as I thought the rotary control of Q is the same and or similar on the pultec and eqp-wa.
I understand your point but if we mapped the eqp-wa freq vs volume, the extra freq points add new points of focus in the freq spectrum that one can boost and cut from. I don't have any expertise with an actual pultec and am new to my eqp-wa's but it was revealing to listen in my cans the other day to my kick and bass lines and to try one click freq differences between the two and different volume adjustments. I understand that the boost/cut also creates a little dip just before the set freq point which can bring it clearer into focus.
All this to say, I am finding the pair very useful while mixing either on individual tracks on the master buss and I haven't even done any tracking with them yet.
Guess I am the Wiz camp !
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