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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 21:51:19 GMT -6
Damn...wish we had had that there, because it's a problem in that tune...Haven't even opened the others because of the holiday, but will jump in tomorrow.
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Post by Randge on Dec 22, 2014 22:08:26 GMT -6
You'll just have to clean them by hand and blend them back in as needed.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 22, 2014 22:54:58 GMT -6
What I do a lot is cut around all the tom hits on both sides and simply mute the dead space on the wave file. Much cleaner and more accurate than a gate. But if the toms are ringing in other mics, this won't work. Bout have to fix that problem at recording time.
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Post by Randge on Dec 22, 2014 23:17:40 GMT -6
Yeah, that is what I meant, Cowboy. Almost all the loud playing done here is done that way. I will have a group of the cleaned tracks and a group of the raw tracks to blend together at mix time.
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Post by levon on Dec 23, 2014 0:59:11 GMT -6
Just got un-lazy enough to open up the files...and damn...I guess a million dollar mic locker DOES make a difference. Or maybe it was the engineer...Anyway, they're the best drum tracks I've ever gotten anywhere. You guys interested in me uploading a snippet of a song's drum tracks? If so, how would you want it? All tracks separately so you can download and hear? Or just a board mix without any processing? If anyone is interested, I could link a zip file with all the files and you could load it in and hear for yourself. Also, maybe just a board mix of the drums by themselves...Lemme know. I am very interested in the mic placement.... Thanks! +1. That room sounds great |
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Post by fishnmusician on Dec 23, 2014 21:31:51 GMT -6
Adding to what others have mentioned is Transient Designer. It can take ring out as well as add more if you want.
The gates in my ancient Logic Pro 7 work well for mixing with enough 'look ahead' to open the gate before the stick attack.
I gotta try that Mutt Flap. But some drummers are a little touchy about any sort of muffling.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2014 23:03:13 GMT -6
Well, like I said...I usually cut Toms, so ringing on the tom tracks aren't that big a deal. But seems like these things were ringing so loud that the room and OH's were picking them up. Never had that happen before.
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Post by Randge on Dec 23, 2014 23:21:18 GMT -6
That trick doesn't muffle the drum at all when it is hit or the decay time either. Eddie said that people have tried to come up with expensive ones that look all fancy to sell, but none of them have worked right yet. So, he continues with doing it like that. It sure as heck works, I can tell you that!
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Post by levon on Dec 24, 2014 2:00:38 GMT -6
That trick doesn't muffle the drum at all when it is hit or the decay time either. Eddie said that people have tried to come up with expensive ones that look all fancy to sell, but none of them have worked right ye. So, he continues with doing it like that. It sure as heck works, I can tell you that! R Thanks for the tip Randge, I'll try that. I was a bit concerned it might also dampen the decay of the toms, but if it doesn't, it'll make life a lot easier. |
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 24, 2014 8:56:51 GMT -6
Isn't the sympathetic ringing a sign of a well tuned kit? Hopefully those toms are in tune with your track  |
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Post by swurveman on Dec 24, 2014 9:50:51 GMT -6
Thanks John. Very generous of you. Really appreciate it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2014 10:10:29 GMT -6
Isn't the sympathetic ringing a sign of a well tuned kit? Hopefully those toms are in tune with your track This is Chad Cromwell's newest kit form some uber expensive company I haven't heard of. He has a Craviotto kit that he has used for years...don't know if this is his number 1 kit, but he's used it on my sessions last several times. Kick and Snare sound pretty awesome here...Edit - Oh - check it out - here's Chad's bio on the Sakae site - sakaedrums.com/en/artists/chad_cromwell/ i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp82/Johnkenn22/IMG_2655_zps269269c0.jpg |
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Dec 24, 2014 10:30:09 GMT -6
This one ought to do it. It was making me re-verify my acct and didn't process correctly the first time... R That is a good idea. I do something similar but I use felt paper that is sticky on one side. I cut it in strips and fold it over on itself and stick to the rim for a similar result. You can by the stuff in 8x11" sheets at any craft store. I posted pics on some thread here a while back. Its a soft handed approach to muffling that works really nicely on toms. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 10:57:19 GMT -6
Randge, stuff like that makes this forum awesome. Thanks!
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Post by Randge on Dec 24, 2014 11:41:15 GMT -6
Thanks! I want this board to be all about learning big and little tricks that make our lives easier and sound better. That's why I signed up.
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Post by odyssey76 on Dec 24, 2014 12:37:23 GMT -6
Thanks! I want this board to be all about learning big and little tricks that make our lives easier and sound better. That's why I signed up. R Much appreciated by most of us Randge! Pretty rare to have a great musician AND engineer who can give such great information. Your tracks on JK's demo tune are terrific. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2014 13:34:03 GMT -6
Randge any tips on how to play like you? Preferably with no practice... 
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 24, 2014 14:18:27 GMT -6
Randge any tips on how to play like you? Preferably with no practice... Yeah. Hire him. |
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Post by Randge on Dec 24, 2014 14:47:56 GMT -6
Ah, beat me to it, Jcoutu1!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 24, 2014 19:06:07 GMT -6
During the '70s and '80s I used to make damping flaps like that out of pieces of felt and taped them inside to damp the bottom heads in addition to the ones on top.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Dec 26, 2014 17:19:11 GMT -6
During the '70s and '80s I used to make damping flaps like that out of pieces of felt and taped them inside to damp the bottom heads in addition to the ones on top. This all comes down to taste, obviously, but I go one further. I put a piece of moon gel in the middle on the inside of the reso head. This takes out unwanted overtones and also drops the pitch. Works great for me. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 26, 2014 19:03:36 GMT -6
I always used Ambassadors or, if there was the budget, Diplomats. This was before moon gel. I also never liked over damped drums.
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Post by Randge on Dec 26, 2014 19:58:30 GMT -6
I have moon gel on my bigger toms to make them ring clearer, too.
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Post by joelhamilton on Dec 26, 2014 20:59:41 GMT -6
Early on recording drums I had great success getting great sounds. The drummer was a New Orleans legend. I thought I was awesome. Then another kid came in on the same set and mic placement and I couldn't get a decent sound in a monkey whorehouse with a sack of bananas.
Turns out with a great drummer who knows how to work his kit getting a good sound is fairly easy, but you find out how skilled you are as an engineer with a crappy drummer.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2014 21:33:31 GMT -6
Yeah - you could say that about any instrument pretty much...That Collings D2HA sounds a whole lot better with you playing it than me Cromwell definitely knows what he's doing though...Neil Young, Stevie Nicks, Lady A, Jackson Browne, etc... |
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